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Start of the seabreezes

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Created by russh > 9 months ago, 1 Oct 2009
russh
SA, 3027 posts
1 Oct 2009 1:29PM
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Can it be true - some seabreezes on the local beaches

Fingers crossed for a long summer of seabreezes to back up the better than average winter sailing!!!

Friday
Wind: S/SE 13/18 knots, reaching 18/23 knots south of Brighton in the morning. Afternoon S/SW sea breezes 15/20 knots.
Sea: around 1 m.
Swell south of Marino Rocks: W/SW around 0.5 m.

Bogan speed team
SA, 407 posts
1 Oct 2009 7:45PM
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Hi Russh,

It does look like the seabreezes are starting.

How is sellicks on south to south easterlies seabreezes?

Choppy or flat?



pirrad
SA, 850 posts
1 Oct 2009 10:11PM
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Cross your fingers,toes,T's and dot your IIIIM SICK of this weather ,bring it on!!

russh
SA, 3027 posts
1 Oct 2009 10:53PM
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Carl Macdonald said...

Hi Russh,

It does look like the seabreezes are starting.

How is sellicks on south to south easterlies seabreezes?

Choppy or flat?






No expert on this but from my experiences - SSE are pretty choppy and sellicks is renown for its gustiness - 30 knts all around you and dead glass next thing you're getting hit by a mega gust that backwinds you - a really weird place at times - SE - E is a bit smoother - not great for speed sailing on the way out but Kim Roberts used to do some very quick runs parallel to the beach on his speed gear - some of the old crew tell tales of sailing along the cliffs in a strong se and they say it was as smooth as butter - since the access has been blocked I am not too sure if anyone heads up there anymore

Zubby
SA, 896 posts
7 Oct 2009 11:09AM
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I looks like there was a 20 knot plus seabreeze last night at Outer Harbour!

quatro25
SA, 135 posts
7 Oct 2009 8:05PM
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The seabreezes have been great at Semaphore ...

Friday 2 Oct ... 6.2m and Freewave 95 - 4pm to 6pm

Monday 5 Oct ... 6.2m and FW95 - 4.30pm to 7pm

Tuesday 6 Oct .. wind great but passed.

Wednesday 7 Oct ... 6.2m and FW95 - 5.30pm to 6.30pm

Zubby
SA, 896 posts
7 Oct 2009 9:38PM
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quatro25 said...

The seabreezes have been great at Semaphore ...

Friday 2 Oct ... 6.2m and Freewave 95 - 4pm to 6pm

Monday 5 Oct ... 6.2m and FW95 - 4.30pm to 7pm

Tuesday 6 Oct .. wind great but passed.

Wednesday 7 Oct ... 6.2m and FW95 - 5.30pm to 6.30pm



Quatro25,
Is it true that the Port Adelaide Enfield council want to stop Windsurfing and Kitesurfing at Bower Rd??

sharkbiscuit
820 posts
7 Oct 2009 7:42PM
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quatro25
SA, 135 posts
7 Oct 2009 10:34PM
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Zubby said...
Quatro25,
Is it true that the Port Adelaide Enfield council want to stop Windsurfing and Kitesurfing at Bower Rd??


I have no idea.
I sail near the old chicken shop which is in the Charles Sturt council area.

BIGKYM
SA, 127 posts
7 Oct 2009 11:27PM
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I hav rang Pt Adelaide council,They reckon you will get fined for windsurfing(84056818) Ring ya self an find out.........

sharkbiscuit
820 posts
7 Oct 2009 9:07PM
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Fear, uncertainty, death. Convoluted rules that manage this is one thing, Trying to police them is another.

russh
SA, 3027 posts
8 Oct 2009 10:41AM
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Have a look at the council by-laws - there is nothing to stop you from windsurfing at Bower road unless they change the by-laws.


CITY OF PORT ADELAIDE ENFIELD
By-law made under the Local Government Act 1999
BY-LAW NO. 3 - LOCAL GOVERNMENT LAND
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1.1.2 "inland waters" includes any pond, lake, river, wetland or other body of water under the care, control and management of the Council, but does not include any waters within adjacent land, subjacent land or the port and harbour of Port Adelaide as defined in the Harbours and Navigation Act 1993 and Harbours and Navigation Regulations 1994;

2. Activities Requiring Permission1
2.3. Boating
subject to the Harbours and Navigation Act 1993:
2.3.1 launch or retrieve a boat other than from a boat ramp constructed for that purpose;
2.3.2 moor a boat, canoe or watercraft on any land or pontoon attached to any land to which this sub-paragraph applies;
2.3.3 propel, sail or otherwise use any boat, canoe or watercraft or other object on any inland waters;


2.19. Kite Surfing and Kite Buggies
2.19.1 launch or fly a kite designed or used for the purpose of pulling or carrying a person;


http://www.portenf.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/BY-LAW_NO__3_LOCAL_GOVERNMENT_LAND.pdf

Look on their website - ask them when you ring what by law they are interpreting this from - no by law - no enforcement - maybe if members of windsurfing SA that were concerned got together they could approach the council from that perspective and discuss it legitimately - maybe being a member of Windsurfing SA with insurance may help the cause.

We looked at the by laws them recently (two weeks ago) and it there was information about restricted use of inland waters but nothing preventing windsurfing in open ocean or rigging on council beach side land.

Unless they have a by-law to support them (which may have been introduced) and have this posted publicly there is absolutely nothing they can do and they cannot penalise you for something that has no fine in their regulations etc.

Look at the web page and see if you can find anything that's been updated - I must say ringing some council buffoon and talking windsurfing - it may be related to the kite bans - most of them wouldn't know the difference.

More council scare tactics if you ask me - stand your ground and until they change the laws challenge them to provide evidence of the bans

grandfromage
WA, 344 posts
8 Oct 2009 8:44AM
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Hey Russ,

Not sure about approaching the council, it may spur some action against windsurfing. If there is no legislation against it maybe let sleeping dogs lie. Might be worth attending the occasional council meeting. I just read the minutes of the previous few meetings and there seems to be nothing in them regarding windsurfing. Assuming i read the minutes for the correct meetings.

I may go to the next meeting (next tues 7pm, Council Chamber, 62 Commercial Road, Port Adelaide). The last thing we need is something like this to slip through un noticed. Probably nothing to worry about though.

russh
SA, 3027 posts
8 Oct 2009 11:28AM
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grandfromage said...

Hey Russ,

Not sure about approaching the council, it may spur some action against windsurfing. If there is no legislation against it maybe let sleeping dogs lie. Might be worth attending the occasional council meeting. I just read the minutes of the previous few meetings and there seems to be nothing in them regarding windsurfing. Assuming i read the minutes for the correct meetings.

I may go to the next meeting (next tues 7pm, Council Chamber, 62 Commercial Road, Port Adelaide). The last thing we need is something like this to slip through un noticed. Probably nothing to worry about though.


Totally agree Chris

I'll leave that up to you guys on the Northern beaches - for some of us southerners a drive up there is usually out of desperation for a sail - long way to drive to hurt your knees in the chop but some of the nicest cleanest wind around in a seabreeze without doubt - if they start trying to fine people then representation may be worth it.

a good plan Chris re the council meetings - I think its best for people to be informed - otherwise people may well get scared into not doing stuff that they legally can!!

sharkbiscuit
820 posts
8 Oct 2009 7:55PM
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Russh

I spent the good part of my smoko and lunch break to today looking through the Enfield/Port Adelaide Council web site. The closest thing I could find was your quoted paragraphs. If I ever get a fine, then I'll worry about it I think. If things change over the years, I would be happy to pay the council a permit or join WindsurfingSA to use this coastline. I can't see this happening, since these beaches in so under populated. The car parks are always empty when it's blowing. I agree with Grandfromage about not being noticed.

Yeah, the northern beaches are crap for chop... but I live where the work is, and it's not possible for the next few years to move in the city. So, the northern beaches is my closest water. If I ever loss them, then I'll probably pick another hobby.

Zubby
SA, 896 posts
9 Oct 2009 11:17AM
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I remember the City of Holdfast Bay cracking down on us windsurfers two seasons ago, they got us confused with kitesurfers. Peter Cieser ended up having a meeting with the council and got us windsurfers off the hook (still have the e-mail from the council, I think), as there where no reports from the public regarding windsurfers, only kitesurfers. The dog inspectors where trying to police it. This crap seems to happen every summer!

Zubby
SA, 896 posts
12 Oct 2009 4:12PM
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FYI


Hi Darren,

Thank you for your enquiry. Windsurfing is allowed on any Council beaches. Only Kite Surfing and Kite Buggies have any restrictions.

Regards,

Tanya Nayda
City of Port Adelaide Enfield



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