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Severne showing why you need the 2013 Blade & S1!

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Created by j.j. > 9 months ago, 9 Sep 2012
j.j.
WA, 86 posts
9 Sep 2012 12:55AM
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Fantastic insight from Ben Severne into what they have been doing to improve on their awesome 2012 wave sails.

http://tenerife.otc-windsurf.com/2012/2012/09/ben-severne-introduces-the-2013-severne-sails-at-the-otc/

Personally, I just got some of the new S1's and am very very very happy with them!!

Dom
WA, 61 posts
21 Sep 2012 5:55PM
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Not only is the Severne an Australian brand, it's world leading in sail development. Great product!! Just moved over this year from NP.

ratz
WA, 478 posts
21 Sep 2012 11:26PM
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cant see why that last post would get red thumbs.

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
22 Sep 2012 7:07AM
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probably red thumbed by some gay illegal immigrant........

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
24 Sep 2012 9:08AM
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Dom said...

Not only is the Severne an Australian brand, it's world leading in sail development. Great product!! Just moved over this year from NP.


super products, awesome stuff i love using severne but 3 brand new masts (sdm) broken in three session, i would like to see if you're still happy

i know its not severnes fault with the masts, due to the factory cutting costs(like maybe leaving out the resin) , but it doenst instil confidence when you want to sail offshore.....

stehsegler
WA, 3543 posts
24 Sep 2012 9:36AM
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jsnfok said...
i know its not severnes fault with the masts, due to the factory cutting costs(like maybe leaving out the resin) , but it doenst instil confidence when you want to sail offshore.....


huh? Last I checked factories in China and Thailand produce to your specifications. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I don't care if you are NP, Severne, JP, Starboard etc. if your logo is on the product you are responsible for quality control.

DunkO
NSW, 1147 posts
24 Sep 2012 12:39PM
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There are other countries that are very good at producing carbon products, maybe even better than china NZ, USA, Europe.....

When the consumer finally demands and will pay for quality maybe the brands will return to these countries.

China maybe building to a spec but I will always question there expertise in the carbon process that result in a top product..... I may be wrong

Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
24 Sep 2012 11:05PM
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jsnfok said...

Dom said...

Not only is the Severne an Australian brand, it's world leading in sail development. Great product!! Just moved over this year from NP.


super products, awesome stuff i love using severne but 3 brand new masts (sdm) broken in three session, i would like to see if you're still happy

i know its not severnes fault with the masts, due to the factory cutting costs(like maybe leaving out the resin) , but it doenst instil confidence when you want to sail offshore.....


Just to set the record straight:

That was last season - there was a batch issue on the Enigmas - all were replaced under warranty , lots of free sail repairs were done ,lots of lower percentage Blue line masts were lent out to keep customers on the water and the masts were all replaced with the air freighted (cost a fortune) replacements (that actually met the original requested specs)

This has been discussed on the forum and at many beaches at length over the last 7 months or so



Still would have much preferred to have the correct spec masts in the first place - would have avoided so much inconvenience for Severne customers

If you go back through history you will find that Severne arent the only brand to have had a problem like this on high spec race masts - how many other brands did free sail repairs and lent out masts to riders while replacements were flown in ?

It was a bugger of a situation - i believe you will find the effort to correct the problem response is historically unmatched in Australia by any brand ever. The whole exercise cost a lot of money but was warranted. The focus was to - as much as possible - keep riders on the water - and sort out sail repairs.

If there have been new masts broken recently they are yet to come to the warranty department's attention.

The replacements are holding up well and breakage rate has gone back to the statistical "background" rate you would expect from masts used in racing situations(yes racers do break masts - check how many are pinged on the PWA - in fact 2 years ago many racers were carrying Severne masts as spares as they had a great rep for durability )

So i guess a good thing to come out of the whole schmozzle is that there is now a fantastic Enigma mast out there to be had.

Another was that quite a few riders didnt too much mind the difference going to a lower spec mast (the Blue line) -which have a great durability performance


Personally i would like to see more lower % masts (maybe 90) used as most average sailors cannot sustain the breakage "investment" that many PWA racers are willing to make to gain that extra 3 metres on a race course and perhaps the difference between 4th and 5th in a heat.




northy1
491 posts
25 Sep 2012 3:09AM
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interesting read Reflex
Im about to get some Blades (from Simmers) and been debating the Gorilla Vs Redline mast route....any thoughts / insight into how they stack up? Im sailing in anything from knee high mush to mast high proper DTL cold water swell. 5.7 will be my most used id guess.

lanky
QLD, 213 posts
25 Sep 2012 8:26AM
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Gorilla all the way. Performance is really good and the damn things seem to be more or less unbreakable, had multiple o no here she goes moments getting worked by big waves over rocks and she's still going strong (touch wood). In saying that I haven't used a redline yet.

stehsegler
WA, 3543 posts
25 Sep 2012 2:27PM
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Reflex Films said...
Another was that quite a few riders didnt too much mind the difference going to a lower spec mast (the Blue line) -which have a great durability performance


Really? After paying top dollars for a top of the line mast they didn't mind using a lower grade mast?


Personally i would like to see more lower % masts (maybe 90) used as most average sailors cannot sustain the breakage.


I think this more a case of price rather than durability for most people.

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
25 Sep 2012 8:51PM
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Reflex Films said...
jsnfok said...

Dom said...

Not only is the Severne an Australian brand, it's world leading in sail development. Great product!! Just moved over this year from NP.


super products, awesome stuff i love using severne but 3 brand new masts (sdm) broken in three session, i would like to see if you're still happy

i know its not severnes fault with the masts, due to the factory cutting costs(like maybe leaving out the resin) , but it doenst instil confidence when you want to sail offshore.....


Just to set the record straight:

That was last season - there was a batch issue on the Enigmas - all were replaced under warranty , lots of free sail repairs were done ,lots of lower percentage Blue line masts were lent out to keep customers on the water and the masts were all replaced with the air freighted (cost a fortune) replacements (that actually met the original requested specs)

This has been discussed on the forum and at many beaches at length over the last 7 months or so



Still would have much preferred to have the correct spec masts in the first place - would have avoided so much inconvenience for Severne customers

If you go back through history you will find that Severne arent the only brand to have had a problem like this on high spec race masts - how many other brands did free sail repairs and lent out masts to riders while replacements were flown in ?

It was a bugger of a situation - i believe you will find the effort to correct the problem response is historically unmatched in Australia by any brand ever. The whole exercise cost a lot of money but was warranted. The focus was to - as much as possible - keep riders on the water - and sort out sail repairs.

If there have been new masts broken recently they are yet to come to the warranty department's attention.

The replacements are holding up well and breakage rate has gone back to the statistical "background" rate you would expect from masts used in racing situations(yes racers do break masts - check how many are pinged on the PWA - in fact 2 years ago many racers were carrying Severne masts as spares as they had a great rep for durability )

So i guess a good thing to come out of the whole schmozzle is that there is now a fantastic Enigma mast out there to be had.

Another was that quite a few riders didnt too much mind the difference going to a lower spec mast (the Blue line) -which have a great durability performance


Personally i would like to see more lower % masts (maybe 90) used as most average sailors cannot sustain the breakage "investment" that many PWA racers are willing to make to gain that extra 3 metres on a race course and perhaps the difference between 4th and 5th in a heat.







okay but its like having a really crap shag, you dont want to go through the same thing twice...

and the masts that kept breaking were the blue line masts, as well as the enigmas

Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
26 Sep 2012 10:59PM
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stehsegler said...

Reflex Films said...
Another was that quite a few riders didnt too much mind the difference going to a lower spec mast (the Blue line) -which have a great durability performance


Really? After paying top dollars for a top of the line mast they didn't mind using a lower grade mast?


Personally i would like to see more lower % masts (maybe 90) used as most average sailors cannot sustain the breakage.




I think this more a case of price rather than durability for most people.



point 1.no they just had loaned to them whatever we had - which was a lot of really reliable blue line masts.Which were loaned out of brand new stock.
Never seen a distributor do that

and then replace the masts with brand new Enigmas

Priority #1 - keep people on the water

Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
26 Sep 2012 11:01PM
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jsnfok said...

Reflex Films said...
jsnfok said...

Dom said...

Not only is the Severne an Australian brand, it's world leading in sail development. Great product!! Just moved over this year from NP.


super products, awesome stuff i love using severne but 3 brand new masts (sdm) broken in three session, i would like to see if you're still happy

i know its not severnes fault with the masts, due to the factory cutting costs(like maybe leaving out the resin) , but it doenst instil confidence when you want to sail offshore.....


Just to set the record straight:

That was last season - there was a batch issue on the Enigmas - all were replaced under warranty , lots of free sail repairs were done ,lots of lower percentage Blue line masts were lent out to keep customers on the water and the masts were all replaced with the air freighted (cost a fortune) replacements (that actually met the original requested specs)

This has been discussed on the forum and at many beaches at length over the last 7 months or so



Still would have much preferred to have the correct spec masts in the first place - would have avoided so much inconvenience for Severne customers

If you go back through history you will find that Severne arent the only brand to have had a problem like this on high spec race masts - how many other brands did free sail repairs and lent out masts to riders while replacements were flown in ?

It was a bugger of a situation - i believe you will find the effort to correct the problem response is historically unmatched in Australia by any brand ever. The whole exercise cost a lot of money but was warranted. The focus was to - as much as possible - keep riders on the water - and sort out sail repairs.

If there have been new masts broken recently they are yet to come to the warranty department's attention.

The replacements are holding up well and breakage rate has gone back to the statistical "background" rate you would expect from masts used in racing situations(yes racers do break masts - check how many are pinged on the PWA - in fact 2 years ago many racers were carrying Severne masts as spares as they had a great rep for durability )

So i guess a good thing to come out of the whole schmozzle is that there is now a fantastic Enigma mast out there to be had.

Another was that quite a few riders didnt too much mind the difference going to a lower spec mast (the Blue line) -which have a great durability performance


Personally i would like to see more lower % masts (maybe 90) used as most average sailors cannot sustain the breakage "investment" that many PWA racers are willing to make to gain that extra 3 metres on a race course and perhaps the difference between 4th and 5th in a heat.







okay but its like having a really crap shag, you dont want to go through the same thing twice...

and the masts that kept breaking were the blue line masts, as well as the enigmas


Blue lines have had a very reliable warranty rate - pm me if you have any lack of warranty follow up - but bluelines have been rock solid nationally.

mmilhazes
98 posts
17 Aug 2013 5:13AM
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Hi

I bought this year a 4.60 Blue line mast and it is starting to bend in the union joint of the mast.
It?s is getting so bent that is being difficult to connect the two parts of the mast together.
I just used it 6 times. I use the mast to rig my Overdrive 4 sails.

This is starting to be a big issue and I think soon it will break or be so much bent that I cannot connect the parts.

This is not natural, and i sent a e-mail do Severne and my starboard / severne supplier in Portugal.

My supplier told me by phone that it is dificult to deal with this type of warranty and maybe Severne will say no to the claim, i hope its not true...

Anyone else with the same problem?

I attach a photo of the mast

Thanks




BenKirk
NSW, 600 posts
17 Aug 2013 5:09PM
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This is getting beyond a joke!! Severne are doing great things with product design and are open to discussing issues. I had a minor problem with my Swat - they had it fixed by a local sail makers super quick and picked up the cost. I have no issues at all with the brand and will continue to support them as they support us (NSWWA).

Shock horror I broke a carbon Chinook extension - you don't see me complaining on here even though they are "indestructible". WSnS, my local retailer warrantied it for me and, second shock horror they made me use an aluminium extension as a replacement for 3 weeks so I could continue to sail. I mean, seriously that is disrespectful.

Sail in NSW at the moment and you'd be blown away by the amount of Severne sails on the water.

mmilhazes
98 posts
17 Aug 2013 10:06PM
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Hi BenKirk

I have no issue with Severne, i love their sails thats why i changed from NP to Severne!!!! Better product with better price!!!

I was just asking if this mas bent was usual as this is my first season with Severne!!!
I dont want to be disrespectful with no one!!!

Thanks

BenKirk
NSW, 600 posts
18 Aug 2013 12:50AM
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Hi mmilhazes, sorry that post was not aimed at you - more a general. You just happened to be in the wrong place, wrong time! Good luck with your mast.

Ben

DunkO
NSW, 1147 posts
18 Aug 2013 7:10AM
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thread's dead baby, threads dead.

Nerdburger
NSW, 319 posts
18 Aug 2013 9:19AM
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I second severne back up on products, I snapped a gorilla wave mast, it was swapped through surf fx as warrantee. Great service from both severne and the retailer surf fx.
Snapping masts wave sailing is a given, so wasn't really expecting the manufacture to replace, but that's their claim so I was stoked when they did.
My blades,with gorilla masts and now with an enigma carbon boom, is wave sailing nirvana ! Now if I could just get my ankle back to normal to make the most of these super early season NE just starting to hit the coast and get out on my toys.



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