Has anybody riden the 2020 Goya Quad 104 or 114 allready?
These big sizes seem to differ somewhat in the shape concept to the smaller sizes regarding the specs.
If the 114 has some "Freewave" in it, i'd consider it as my new big board (The 2018 Quad 118 had zero "Freewave" in its shape).
I've got the 2020 Custom 4 114ltrs. I LOVE this board! I'm 211lbs so I needed a wave board with bigger volume. It's incredibly lively and fun for a 114ltr board. Really am enjoying it.
DC
Nice!
Do you feel it could be used as a Freewave board, too?
How easy is it to get it planing?
How stable does it feel while slogging?
Alex
Hey ALex - I think you really need to be looking at wider tailed fast thrusters if you want an element of freewave - ie Goya 3 , stubby , rrd cult , starboard kode etc .... the only way a quad might dodgy-ly fill that 'freewave' brief is if you fit say super super grunty rear fins - like 17's or something to give it some 'nose up' power .... having said that - a quad like 2020 quatro cube I reckon could offer some freewave / flying upwind credentials .... reports say it flys upwind ..
When you say freewave - your basically looking for fast lifty board able to fly off the tail (with sharper rails / less tuck ) , vs say that super planted 'control' style board - which for sure custom4 will be ...
Goya ONE would be the ultimate freewave brief - able to shred a few smaller waves also ...
I got the info from the Goya guys that the 2020 One is more flatwater biased than the former generation, whereas the 2020 Quad is much more , say "onshore" biased then the 2018-19 Generation, especially has more power due to a wider tail and a flatter rocker than even the 2016 Quad.
I had the 2016 Quad 116 for 2 seasons but the tail was really narrow and thin and lacked a little bit of "push" for flatwater riding, even if used with a pair of 18,5 K4 Rockets.
So the 2020 has a wider tail, some volume in there, medium rocker and i'd use it with 20,5 K4 Rockets if i'd buy it.
Main focus for me isn't blasting on flatwater, but my big board shouldn't be a pure sideshore board like the former Quad generation.
Francisco told me if they would do a 115 Liter Custom 3 it would have the identical shape as the 2020 Quad 114, so that should be fine.
I just wanted to hear first hand experience,
Alex
The Custom 4 is a lot of fun as a freewave board as well, the thing has some good planning and fun in bump and jump conditions. I can't speak to the Goya One but that may be more Freewave oriented. I got the Goya Custom as it seems to be the biggest wave board at 114 ltrs which also helps plane faster.
Sounds promising.
Do you use the quad finsetup in flatwater b+j or switch to a Twin Setup?
With my former Quad 116 i felt that the Twin setup really made the board run more free than with the Quad fins.
The Goya guys just read our discussion here and Francisco was so kind to give us this feedback by email:
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Pascal here forward me your email and Seabreeze questions. Stoked to see you guys interest on the new Quad 114!!
We are really stoked with the New Lines!!
Please find here a little comparison between the 2020 from the previous 2 models:
The new 2020 is slightly longer than 2018, narrower than the 2016 and wider than the 2018, also the 2020 got a wider and fuller tail from the 2016 and 2018, and with the volume a bit more equally distributed along the flow of the board, last but not least, with a faster rocker line than all the previous models.
The DoubleConcave are mainly position towards the back of the board, with a shallower V/concaves at the front.
This makes the board more balanced, earlier planning, faster, still with a great comfort and control.
The board was designed from the feedback of bigger riders as well as from riders that enjoy riding the light winds, or basically just showing up with an almost guarantee sailing session and with a comfortable board, no matter how light or small the conditions are.
I'm really happy about the new boards and I hope that you get to try them very soon.
Also as all the Custom4s, you can ride them as Twins with just moving the 2 back fins all the way back (no much room anyway, that is to minimize the drag/weight) This will help the board release a bit quicker and will add the spice of slide of the top turns.
I'm so confident that these new boards will bring you all the best of what the conditions can offer.
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Excuse my ignorance, by why move the fins BACK when going twin? Wouldn't you want the fin area rough balanced how it was with quads by moving them forward?
I have a flat rockered quad I'm going to try as a twin and wanted a starting place since it's not explicitly designed for it but I ride onshore sometimes.
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Excuse my ignorance, by why move the fins BACK when going twin? Wouldn't you want the fin area rough balanced how it was with quads by moving them forward?
I have a flat rockered quad I'm going to try as a twin and wanted a starting place since it's not explicitly designed for it but I ride onshore sometimes.
I think he refers to the general rule that you can free up a board by moving the fins back.
Doing this with Twins leads to a little bit more backfoot pressure.
So you're right, if you want the same front/back footpressure feeling you have to move the Twins Forward.
I have the 2016 Goya custom quad 116 L. I run it as a twin with 18 cm mfc fins. The fins have a longer base than the standard quad set so I had to drill a hole behind the regular hole and cut off the fin tab where the regular hole was. Has zero adjustment but doesn't need any. Board is fantastic as a twin.
I've only been tuning wave gear for just over a year, I thought moving the fins back made the board more directional and forward more of a pivot? My plan is to run a pair of K4 Scorcher 17cm as either quads in lighter onshore or twins in heavier, sounds like maybe I should just try it as a twin for both. The boxes in that board are very short so maybe 1.5cm total adjustment anyways.
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I've only been tuning wave gear for just over a year, I thought moving the fins back made the board more directional and forward more of a pivot?
Right.
But fin back also gives a little more drive and speed.
But I guess hard to detect for us mediocre skilled riders, if we talk about 10mm.
Alex F,
Thanks for posting!!! I'm tempted to try the Goya 114 as a twin but really love the set up as a quad right now. Also found out a few weeks ago that I can actually uphaul this thing!!!! GREAT Board!!!
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Alex F,
Thanks for posting!!! I'm tempted to try the Goya 114 as a twin but really love the set up as a quad right now. Also found out a few weeks ago that I can actually uphaul this thing!!!! GREAT Board!!!
How early planing is the 114 L? One of the "criticisms" of the previous versions was that the Quatro Cube boards were much earlier planing.
I haven't ridden the Quattro so I can't give direct comparison. The planning power is really noticeable when compared to my 99ltr Ultrakode. Of course the added volume helps but the board does release to a plane really well for a wave board.
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How early planing is the 114 L? One of the "criticisms" of the previous versions was that the Quatro Cube boards were much earlier planing.
The previous 2018 Goya Quads weren't the best planing boards, for sure.
That was the cause i asked for the 2020 C4 Quad 114.
But for the 2020 C4 i think there's a difference in the shape concept of the boards of 94 and smaller and the big 104 and 114. Just look at the measures, e. g. how the 104 is MUCH longer and wider than the 94, usually a feature for better planing.
Compare this to e. g. the C3 thruster 91 to 98 to 106 or to the Quatro Cube range. These boards just grow slightly in their measures size by size.
What Francisco told us for the flatish rocker of the 114 (see above) doesn't apply to the 94 and smaller sizes, i guess.
German SURF magazine did test the 2020 Goya C4 94, they found it does plan better than the previous generation but still a little worse than the Cube 93.
On the other hand imo we shouldn't compare quad to quad or thruster to thruster regarding Goya and Quatro.
The Goya C4 Quad (up to the 94) is more of a twin to the Pyramid Thruster, both surfwave shapes.
And the Cube Quad is more of a twin to the Goya C3 Thruster, allround wave shapes, which should also be a better planing boards than the C4 Quad (or Pyramid).
And as mentioned above, Francisco told me if they would do a 115 Liter Custom 3 it would have the identical shape as the 2020 Quad 114, so this board should be more of an allround shape, not surfwave like the 2018 Quad 118.
Alex
I can second most of the remarks on here. I have the 2020 Goya 104 4 and I can find no faults. It planes amazingly early. I knew it was going to plane early when I put my rocker stick on it, but it's verified on the water. A very easy rise onto a plane before your feet are even in the foot straps. I was pleasantly surprised. Here in the Panhandle of Florida, we have the definitive real world average joe conditions. On a wave, the board is pure butter. I've actually named it Butters. ;) On my first bottom turn I went a little too back foot heavy and the smaller fins slipped just a little under my 6'2" 185# frame but the second bottom turn I went more neutral or forward and it carved like it's on auto pilot. Probably my favorite light air wave board...ever.
I threw in some 10's and even 11's in the forward fins and only noticed a slight loss of speed, no loss of carve and total traction whether I was back or front foot heavy going down the line. Something to keep in mind. Haven't tried it in twinzer mode yet. As mentioned in previous remarks, rear boxes are short which is great for reducing drag but I'll have to modify my current MFC 17's to make them fit.
As for B&J applications. Had a 4.5 powered day on the Bay, once again it ate the chop up like soft butter. The board is very fast and climbed upwind like crazy. Surprisingly....pretty good for launching off chop, i thought it might be a little sticky, but not even. I imagine that had I gone w 17's in twinzer mode it might have even been a little more nervous and fun for B&J. This is a fast, early planing wave machine w some good carry over to powered B&J applications. I wouldn't change a thing. If you sail mostly B&J and just a little in the waves, then I'd recommend the One. I have that board as well and she's a love. Definitely a FSW board that is scary fast and does very well in the waves. I can tell you as stated in previous remarks that the Quads in the smaller sizes still have plenty of flat for early release with slightly more rocker and V in the tail than the 104 and 114. The rails also get sexier as you go down in size. My friend's 84 has some of the sexiest rails I've ever seen. He's much lighter than me and loves that board as well. They really knocked it out of the Park this year. Hope this helps.
Great review, thanx.
Imo Goya should point out the given facts and differences between the 94 and smaller and the 104/114 a little bit more in their marketing for us customers.
Otoh we wouldn't have so much stuff and fun with elaborating these facts here in the forum ....
Regarding twin fins:
I did use a pair of 18,5 K4 Rockets in my 2016 Quad, they had to be slightly adjusted at the corners of the base.
I even asked K4 for the base length of the 20,5 Rockets, they claimed a 135 mm. That shouldn't work in the Quad without reworking the base I guess?
Does anyone know if the MFC LS Twin 19 do fit in the box?
Alex
Mine were MFC TP-LS18's, no bueno. Probably going to redrill the pin and sand back.
