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Your wetsuit insights for Sydney area

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Created by MrSpinout > 9 months ago, 4 Dec 2014
MrSpinout
NSW, 106 posts
5 Dec 2014 12:06AM
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Hi,

I have now pretty much everything together to get me back onto the water (can't wait) apart from a suitable wetsuit. Given that it is now summer there might be some nice deals coming up and therefore I am looking into buying a wetsuit with good price/value. I went through the archives and pretty much got the following from previous threads:

- Don't go for a normal surf suit but a windsurf or kitesurf specific wetsuit due to better movement or arms/shoulders, flex and windchill. E.g.: NP, Mystic, Flying Objects or Ion
- Smoothskin (single lined) is better as it prevents windchill, however less durable than double lined
- Recommendations seem to vary between 4/3 for winter down 3/2 - as I will be surfing around Sydney I reckon 3/2 will probably do it.

However, I still have a few questions

- Is there the ultimate one-fits all seasons wetsuit which would work, or would I end up with a proper 3/2 for winter and a cheap shorty for summer? I probably know the answer but figured I ask anyways
- Is a short arm, smoothskin too cold for Botany Bay and driving distance around Sydney or would for instance something like this one work in winter: www.npsurf.com/products/wetsuits/mens/nexus/s-s-steamer-3-3.html - I'd like to go with a short arm version as it will work much better for the arms or would something like this be better: http://www.surfdome.com/mystic_wetsuits_-_mystic_majestic_3/2mm_chest_zip_wetsuit_-_blue-130442
- Is windchill at all a consideration for summer? Otherwise a double lined shorty would make much more sense due to durability
- Front zip vs Backzip - does it matter?
- Any shops that you know that sell NP, Mystic, Flying Objects or Ion wetsuits and which are easily reachable with public transport (Bondi, CBD, Bondi Junction)

Thanks for any insights :)

Krusty
NSW, 441 posts
5 Dec 2014 7:16AM
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Why wouldn't a surf wetsuit suffice? O'Neil psycho's or rip curl flash bombs are easily some of the best wetsuits available. Sure the ions and other windsurf specific may have some benefits but at the end of day I wouldn't rule out the surf brands. Anyway a 3/2 sealed suit will be all you need in winter, 4/3 if your a bit soft.

Dibbsy23
NSW, 43 posts
5 Dec 2014 11:59AM
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Krusty said..
Why wouldn't a surf wetsuit suffice? O'Neil psycho's or rip curl flash bombs are easily some of the best wetsuits available. Sure the ions and other windsurf specific may have some benefits but at the end of day I wouldn't rule out the surf brands. Anyway a 3/2 sealed suit will be all you need in winter, 4/3 if your a bit soft.


Agreed 100%. Why wouldn't you buy a wetsuit from a company who has been making them since the 1950's.
O'Niel also happens to have a sale on this weekend too at their Brookvale warehouse. If you wanted the magic wetsuit for "all occasions" go a 3/2 short arm steamer

MrSpinout
NSW, 106 posts
5 Dec 2014 12:17PM
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Krusty said..
Why wouldn't a surf wetsuit suffice? O'Neil psycho's or rip curl flash bombs are easily some of the best wetsuits available. Sure the ions and other windsurf specific may have some benefits but at the end of day I wouldn't rule out the surf brands. Anyway a 3/2 sealed suit will be all you need in winter, 4/3 if your a bit soft.



Thanks for the 3/2 confirmation. Would it need to be long arms or would short arms work?

Regarding the Psycho and Flash I am sure that most wetsuits will work, especially as Sydney does not get that cold. When I was younger I used a 3mm neopren at 8 degrees air and water temperature, yes it was cold, but I survived. However, I'd rather buy one that suits my needs for that particular sport. For instance O'Neil's Psycho costs AUD 550 which is pretty much the upper end price for any brand in the 3/2 category which makes it possible to choose from any premium wetsuit. So why not go for the "perfect" one for windsurfing?

A quick search gives me the indication that I can get a made for Windsurfing Wetsuit for about AUD 300/350 (The NP suit menioned before) and premium ones for about 450 (e.g. Flying Objects Flux), so price/value is one consideration. Why the Psycho would not be as suitable? A lot of double lined materials probably would lead to windchill - unless you are spending most of your time in the water your enemy is the wind and not water temperature. Maybe given that Sydney Winters are not that cold it might be that Windchill is actually not the most important thing but it would be fine to focus on flex and durability? Ion lets you nicely filter by wind protection on their website www.ion-products.com/water/kiteboarding/wetsuits/ and only 1 suit in 3/2 actually has windchill as a mayor factor. The other ones are all 4+



albentley
NSW, 297 posts
5 Dec 2014 12:37PM
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I think you are massively over thinking this - Sydney is never very cold. Just buy any surf suit and you will be fine.

The surfing ones are usually better as they have more flexible arms than the dedicated windsurf/ kite ones - and they are cheaper.

conan
NSW, 181 posts
5 Dec 2014 12:47PM
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Who needs a wetsuit a good rash shirt & boardies will do after all its summer.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
5 Dec 2014 1:07PM
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albentley said..
I think you are massively over thinking this - Sydney is never very cold. Just buy any surf suit and you will be fine.

The surfing ones are usually better as they have more flexible arms than the dedicated windsurf/ kite ones - and they are cheaper.


Depends where you are sailing and when. If its a massive westerly wind and sailing on a lake, it does get cold. The water temperature can be in single digits, much colder than seawater and the air temperature, with winds travelling across the frigid inland even lower, if starting out early.

In regards to getting a wetsuit now is probably a good time to be shopping for one as demand will be low with new stock arriving in the not too distant future. For windsurfing I'd really recommend a winter wetsuit made for windsurfing. I've got one and its far superior to the surfing wetsuit I bought one year previously.

stehsegler
WA, 3549 posts
5 Dec 2014 10:20AM
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Krusty said..
Why wouldn't a surf wetsuit suffice? O'Neil psycho's or rip curl flash bombs are easily some of the best wetsuits available.


The problem with the Psycho is that once you are out of the water the stretchy skin they use causes a lot of evaporative cooling. I don't think this is an issue while surfing as but definitely a problem in windsurfing where you spend most of your time being blasted by cool air. While it's a comfy wet suit I ended up going back to a wetsuit designed for windsurfing. The slick skin keeps you warm a lot longer and the they are usually reinforced around areas that get a lot of wear such as were your harness rubs.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8252 posts
5 Dec 2014 1:31PM
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Yes if your sailing in the surf you don't need one as warm as if you are sailing winter westerlies in the lakes.
I sail lakes and I use rashie + boardies for warm summer, 3/4/5mm for winter Neil pryde Serene ( A1) for winter + a cheapie short arm and leg wettie from ( hate to admit it - Aldi )$35 for just keeping a bit of windchill off for late spring early summer)..

N1GEL
NSW, 861 posts
5 Dec 2014 4:43PM
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conan said..
Who needs a wetsuit a good rash shirt & boardies will do after all its summer.


second that... I haven't worn a wettie since early Sept. Windsurfing is a very active sport and, for me anyway, I get hot just plain sailing... I don't understand how anyone can be comfortable in a steamer in summer. I'm not fat either.

N1GEL
NSW, 861 posts
5 Dec 2014 5:13PM
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stehsegler said..

Krusty said..
Why wouldn't a surf wetsuit suffice? O'Neil psycho's or rip curl flash bombs are easily some of the best wetsuits available.



The problem with the Psycho is that once you are out of the water the stretchy skin they use causes a lot of evaporative cooling. I don't think this is an issue while surfing as but definitely a problem in windsurfing where you spend most of your time being blasted by cool air. While it's a comfy wet suit I ended up going back to a wetsuit designed for windsurfing. The slick skin keeps you warm a lot longer and the they are usually reinforced around areas that get a lot of wear such as were your harness rubs.


Have you sat out the back in a Ripcurl 3/4 eBomb , on a surfboard for 30 minutes waiting for a set in the middle of winter while being buffeted by a howling Westerly ? It gets damn cold and that's wearing the latest tech wettie!!! Sorry, your theory doesn't make sense to me.

MrSpinout
NSW, 106 posts
5 Dec 2014 5:34PM
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2035 said..




stehsegler said..





Krusty said..
Why wouldn't a surf wetsuit suffice? O'Neil psycho's or rip curl flash bombs are easily some of the best wetsuits available.







The problem with the Psycho is that once you are out of the water the stretchy skin they use causes a lot of evaporative cooling. I don't think this is an issue while surfing as but definitely a problem in windsurfing where you spend most of your time being blasted by cool air. While it's a comfy wet suit I ended up going back to a wetsuit designed for windsurfing. The slick skin keeps you warm a lot longer and the they are usually reinforced around areas that get a lot of wear such as were your harness rubs.






Have you sat out the back in a Ripcurl 3/4 eBomb , on a surfboard for 30 minutes waiting for a set in the middle of winter while being buffeted by a howling Westerly ? It gets damn cold and that's wearing the latest tech wettie!!! Sorry, your theory doesn't make sense to me.





This is actually exactly what Stehsegler was saying. The eBomb is double lined neoprene (ie there is a lycra cover on the inside and the outside), which has a wet surface once you get out of the water. The wind hits your back and you get evaporative cooling as the water condensates. Condensation will suck energy out of its surroundings (ie you body) and hence you freeze. That's why you can cool a beer wrapped in a wet towel whilst leaving it in the sun (www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why-does-wet-towel-cool-beer). Its the same effect which happens when you came out of the water being wet and all suddenly feel cold.

The point is that when you are outside of the water then you want to have a surface of which the water pearls off - single lined neoprene does that (lycra only on the inside so that the suit sticks against your body as close as possible). Windsurf specific wetsuits that take windchill into account use as much as possible and use single lined neopren either for key body parts (torso) or even completely. Single Lined neoprene looks more rubbery/glossy. The disadvantage is that single lined "smoothskin" neoprene is not as durable as it the lycra layer would prevent it from getting cuts into it.

To see the difference (they are way too warm, but just to demonstrate the point) check out this wetsuit which is double lined and better for if you spend a lot of time in the water: www.npsurf.com/products/wetsuits/mens/mission/fullsuit-5-4-3-fz.html and this one which is better if you are most out of the time exposed to wind: www.npsurf.com/products/wetsuits/mens/elite/elite-5-4-3123.html - Wetsuits designed for surfing are not optimised for windchill as you might only sometimes be exposed to wind, whilst in windsurfing you are all the time exposed to wind.

stehsegler
WA, 3549 posts
5 Dec 2014 3:13PM
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2035 said..
Have you sat out the back in a Ripcurl 3/4 eBomb , on a surfboard for 30 minutes waiting for a set in the middle of winter while being buffeted by a howling Westerly ? It gets damn cold and that's wearing the latest tech wettie!!! Sorry, your theory doesn't make sense to me.


I guess I wouldn't be surfing in the middle of winter if I'd have to wait 30 minutes for a set. It would have to be one hell of a good set.

RE windsurfing wet suit, I have a Neil Pryde winter suits (can't remember the thickness) but I find it's less restrictive than a surf wetsuit and keeps me a lot warmer. Ion also makes some decent wet suits these days. I actually think most of the stuff comes from the same factory in China... at least they all look very similar.

TheRodder
WA, 321 posts
6 Dec 2014 3:34PM
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In my experience ProMotion from Hood River, Oregon, makes the best windsurfing suits. Look at site.wetsuit.com/New_Windsport_Wetsuits.html

benyip
NSW, 76 posts
7 Dec 2014 9:52PM
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Mine one is a long sleeve one and cost only aud 100. I get it from overseas... it is not a thick one, I use it most of the time except the weather is hot.

It wont limit your movement on windsurfing...You are not swimming..it won't limit your movement in windsurfing..I am a swimmer myself and wet suit does limit your movement in swimming, not windsurfing

Don't waste a lot of money on an expensive wetsuit..



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