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Flat water sailing on a SE wind around Sydney

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Created by Mobydisc > 9 months ago, 23 Jan 2013
Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
23 Jan 2013 8:07PM
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Where is there flat water or at least flattish waters with a rolling swell in a strong SE wind as is predicted for next Monday?

With wind that strong Botany Bay will be too much for me so looking for somewhere more sheltered but with steady wind. Canton Beach is not much good as you sail straight out into the lake and there is that short, sharp chop which is not pleasant to sail through as it's bang bang bang.

Thinking about Narrabeen Lake but the short runs there and gusty winds are a turnoff. However if the wind is really that strong Lake Dangerous may be the go. I have a demo Super Freak 4.7m which would be good to try in strong winds. Also have a $5 Tiga wave board I've never used that could be good in overpowering conditions. I find windsurfing to be a completely different and sometimes unpleasant experience when the wind gets over 25 knots.


ka43
NSW, 3097 posts
23 Jan 2013 9:22PM
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Try Sand Pt at Pittwater, with that direction the wind should come down Careel Bay, definitely choppy.
Nothing to see at Lake Dangerous, please move on!!!!!!!!

Walt
264 posts
23 Jan 2013 7:01PM
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Hey Mobydisc,

Kurnell might be possible. The wind will be of the land and might be relevantly flat close to shore I think.
Others may clarify that.

Kind Regards
Walt

gavnwend
WA, 1372 posts
23 Jan 2013 7:22PM
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Kurnell gets my tick! That's where i be sailing.

CaptainHadoc
NSW, 128 posts
23 Jan 2013 11:12PM
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There's obviously a lot of uncertainty in the models as this big SE trend appeared out of nowhere on the 4pm run and is completely gone on the 10pm one. As far as I can tell, the 6 previous run all did paint a very different picture, so my feeling is that we have no idea what's coming...

shear tip
NSW, 1125 posts
23 Jan 2013 11:13PM
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Kurnell gets an awful wind shadow in anything with south in it. If it's dead south, the sand bar at Quibray Bay is fun, and lighter less choppy than Kyeemagh. If anything goes wrong, it's a 7km drift across to the airport though.

If it's SouthEast and you're looking to escape the chop, Sandringham might be the go. It gets pretty messy out in the main channel, but over on the East Banks just off Towra Point it'll be nice and flat, but lighter and gustier than Kyeemagh.

Kyeemagh really does get the best wind in a southerly, but it can come hammering through with huge chop. There's been a few occasions where I haven't even bothered to rig, but just sat on the grass and watched.

Just checking the latest models now, and it looks like it'll be lighter and more easterly, even NE according to WeatherZone. Five days out - anything could happen!

ibid
NSW, 136 posts
23 Jan 2013 11:15PM
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Quibray Bay - hidden behind kurnell was the go to flatwater spot in a SE before they closed off the road - you could still sail there but a bit of a carry across the grass to get there

You launch into a bit of chop near the old oyster leases but where you gybe on the other side is smooth enough to gybe at full pace

You even get a bit of a jump off Bonner point on occasion...

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
24 Jan 2013 1:39AM
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Kyeemagh perfect.
Possibly La Perouse area - both fairly clean on a SE.

Balmoral not great, plus you have to get real far out for clean SE and a pain to come back to. Liveable though.

Kurnell not so much (shadowed unless you get real far out).
Not Narrabeen - too gusty and unpleasant on SE.

My former home Dolls Pt, 2219, would be good too - just take off from the very tip, just above the sailing clubhouse. More places to go to than Kyeemagh on a SE.

I'd choose based on what you think it might swing afterwards a SE.
I.e. if it swings NE (shouldn't, but), then some of the spots above are better choices than others.

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
24 Jan 2013 9:39AM
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Kyeemah will be cross onshore, so a safe direction, you more or less sail along the shorline in waist deep water.

I'd say give it a go with a small sail and board. Its the best way to progress your sailing to the next level.
Once you settle in and get your rythm then playing in that swell can be a lot of fun. You get to practice your jibes by hitting nice rollers coming in, almost a surfable wave at times. Just be careful as it can be shallow with a sand bar forming a 100m before the shore line.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
24 Jan 2013 11:56AM
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Well the Seabreeze arrows are pointing a different way today so it may be a case of sailing Canton Beach in a SW wind. Who knows though? Perhaps I'll end up at home watching the rain out of my window.


sboardcrazy
NSW, 8253 posts
24 Jan 2013 12:51PM
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Mobydisc said...
Well the Seabreeze arrows are pointing a different way today so it may be a case of sailing Canton Beach in a SW wind. Who knows though? Perhaps I'll end up at home watching the rain out of my window.





Yep I don't think they know what will happen!

HookedIn
NSW, 22 posts
24 Jan 2013 8:20PM
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I'm heading down to Jervis Bay with the gear. No wind, I'll go to the pub. Too much rain, I'll go to the pub. Lunch, I'll go to the pub.

If anyone knows of a pub I can launch from, let me know!

shear tip
NSW, 1125 posts
24 Jan 2013 8:48PM
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Husskisson

albers
NSW, 1739 posts
24 Jan 2013 9:00PM
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Collaroy, right down the southern end, will work in a SE.

Swell rarely gets very big.

Or you could "Bog-out" from Fisherman's in the wind-shadow created by the Long Reef headland.

Both worth a try, especially if you live on the Northern Beaches.

gavnwend
WA, 1372 posts
24 Jan 2013 6:06PM
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Hawks nest! Who know's what we get (wind direction) sailable in any condition's.

CaptainHadoc
NSW, 128 posts
24 Jan 2013 11:18PM
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So after the SW, the NE, we now have a SW....

Milsy
NSW, 1176 posts
25 Jan 2013 8:35AM
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Albers is on the money,(sweet photo of howard going down on costtello), i used to go to vacant lot, collary, depending on size of swell, but thats pretty flat, its protected from the headland,,,,,pittwater will be bumpy, but in a se, i used to sail down at bayview, the byra sailing club, long runs, sorta flatish over the newport side of the run,,,,,if its strong the lake will work in its patchy way, but flatish,,,,,,clontarff, near spit bridge, bumpy runs, but super sweet gype bank, thats were i taught leo to gype,,, botany is ok, bumpy, but you can roll with it, onshore,,,, but mammas making canton, ****s on all of those places for se, long flatish runs into flatish gypes,, dudes also reckon newport reef, if you were any sorta of windsurfer, you would hit all this places on the same day, ha,,,,, c ya soon

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
25 Jan 2013 2:06PM
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Waiting4wind said...
I'd say give it a go with a small sail and board. Its the best way to progress your sailing to the next level. Once you settle in and get your rythm then playing in that swell can be a lot of fun.


Totally agree. Having the right gear makes it so much easier. You'd be surprised how much easier. A FSW might be your next step.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
26 Jan 2013 10:44AM
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HookedIn said...
If anyone knows of a pub I can launch from, let me know!


Best beachside pub used to be McMorelands, but demolished 10 years ago. What a waste...

174
NSW, 190 posts
26 Jan 2013 11:43AM
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Mobydisc said...
Also have a $5 Tiga wave board I've never used that could be good in overpowering conditions. I find windsurfing to be a completely different and sometimes unpleasant experience when the wind gets over 25 knots.

When it's windy I see heaps of guys struggling at Botany, mostly because they're on gear that's way too big. Over 25 knots (average) means 4.2-4.5 for me, and I'm not tiny, about 85kg. My guess is that it's being massively overpowered that you find unpleasant! Still, if you can find some super flat water it will be manageable.



Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
26 Jan 2013 8:36PM
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Agree with you 174. Today I demoed a 5.3 Hot Sails Maui Superfreak. However it was a bit big too towards the end.It was a great sail for the conditions. The wind was averaging around 25 knots with much bigger gusts. I had trouble with my final run back in. According to the Seabreeze graph the wind was over 35 knots at that time! My board was a bit big, a Tabou Rocket 105. If I had a 80 or 75 litre board it would have been perfect.

If I used my smallest sail, a 5.9m it would have been way too much.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
26 Jan 2013 10:23PM
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And people told me a 6.0 would be too small for Sydney.

After six months here I reckon the rule of thumb is your weight + 5 in litres, and the appropriate sails sizes.

DavidHowe
NSW, 89 posts
27 Jan 2013 1:49PM
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A bunch of us sail Formula and slalom out of Clontarf. It's pretty good on a SE.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
28 Jan 2013 10:29AM
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After all the anticipation and excitement it looks like its a case so far of looking out the window at the rain. At least it was a brilliant day on Saturday.



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