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for thoes who dare; SPEED FORTNIGHT 2008

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Created by al green > 9 months ago, 11 Aug 2008
al green
37 posts
11 Aug 2008 6:31AM
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It is on again,... AUSTRALIA'S PREMIER GATHERING of SPEED SAILING
FANATICS.

SPEED FORTNIGHT 2008.

Join in the fun. From Saturday 27th September 2008 to Sunday 12th October 2008.
at Sandy Point Victoria.

Allan........

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
11 Aug 2008 8:09AM
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al green said...

It is on again,... AUSTRALIA'S PREMIER GATHERING of SPEED SAILING
FANATICS.

SPEED FORTNIGHT 2008.

Join in the fun. From Saturday 27th September 2008 to Sunday 12th October 2008.
at Sandy Point Victoria.

Allan........



A definite must do for me, It's like a pilgrimage every speed sailor needs to go at least once in their life.

Though I think my best chance is 2010 with Binny's LSL??

Roo
876 posts
12 Aug 2008 9:32AM
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Is there a tide table for Shallow Inlet that gives speedsailors an idea of the best window of opportunity for paying a flying visit to put down some numbers? How many hours each side of low tide are optimum for speedsailing?

mathew
QLD, 2133 posts
12 Aug 2008 2:15PM
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You can find the tides here: www.bom.gov.au/australia/tides/#!/vic
The inlet is about 1-1.5 hrs behind this - with a storm surge, it can be 2-2.5 hours.

You can speedsail the SW bank at just about any tide, excluding storm surges which break over the spit - however, the channel doesn't start forming until about .75 tide -> its best at about .25 tide and lower, ie: low-tide allows you to sail within about 2 metres of the bank.

The east-bank is good from about .5 tide and lower. The NW bank is good from about .3 and lower - but water depth is not consistent over the length of the run -> you get to touch bottom if you are a local...

Outgoing tide is smoother than incoming tide (although, everyone wants to sail on outgoing making incoming sometimes better...) - on the SW, the long-wavelength standing waves are smaller on outgoing; on the East-bank, incoming means sailing through up to 1m surf, before getting to the speed run, then finally running into some ferocious short-sharp chop.

You can park your car on the beach until about .9 on a high-high tide - any higher, then you will be driving through salt water, or waiting for it to recede (dont test the height when there is a storm surge...!). The small-high tide is usually safe from car drowning. The rule is, if you see the regulars move their cars, you probably should too...

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
12 Aug 2008 4:39PM
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Any idea what the temp of the water is likely to be? Is it worth my while buying some booties?
Also, my smallest sail at present is a 5.2, I presume I should be searching for something smaller also???

kato
VIC, 3507 posts
12 Aug 2008 9:13PM
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Sickem, the water will be cold and booties arn,t a bad idea but once your feet go numb you carn,t feel anything any way. Thermals (Snow skiing type) also help under the wetty.A 5.2 will do depending on your size ,board and fin. I run a 5m Koncept on a speedboard with a speed fin without too many dramas and i,m 78kg.Hope this helps

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
12 Aug 2008 9:25PM
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Thanks Kato, I've got some Canterbury skins to wear under my steamer as well as a NP long sleeve titanium rashie thing that I have found to be awesome. I may give the booties a miss as I have never liked using them before.
My board is a 90 litre Fanatic Falcon slalom and I'm about 76kg's so I think I'll pay Sam a visit and see what smaller sails he may have that might suit my needs. Aside from that I'm sure you gave me first dibs on your superseded speed board so I may not even need my slalom board

kato
VIC, 3507 posts
12 Aug 2008 11:28PM
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No prob,s but it does bite sometimes

al green
37 posts
16 Aug 2008 6:09PM
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Any one needing accommodation for Speed Fortnight need to make a booking with Al phone 07 54380242 business hours.

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
17 Aug 2008 12:02AM
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sick_em_rex said...

Any idea what the temp of the water is likely to be? Is it worth my while buying some booties?
Also, my smallest sail at present is a 5.2, I presume I should be searching for something smaller also???


Booties for those unconditioned northern tootsies? Definitely!!!

Might be an idea to find a 3.5 wave or something similar just in case we get a Nuclear day. At least you have a chance at surviving a run! Actually, I have a few older small speed sails laying around. If it comes to that I am happy for you to try one, as long as you use your own mast :) (3.7 RDM or 4m SDM depending on the sail).

Your 5.2 will handle most of what we get if it is a good one.

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
17 Aug 2008 1:01AM
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mathew said...

You can find the tides here: http://www.bom.gov.au/oceanography/tides/MAPS/vic.shtml......................'snip'

You can park your car on the beach until about .9 on a high-high tide - any higher, then you will be driving through salt water, or waiting for it to recede (dont test the height when there is a storm surge...!). The small-high tide is usually safe from car drowning. The rule is, if you see the regulars move their cars, you probably should too...


On most 'normal' tide days' (those without a storm surge) you can access the inlet by car up to about a 1.3m high tide (Port Phillip Heads datum)........

Otherwise Mat is pretty right.

al green
37 posts
17 Aug 2008 10:12AM
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Hi guys, now that my computer is again working you can also contact me by emal if you require accommodation for Speed Fortnight 2008.
email address can be obtained from web site. caloundra city sailboards.
Last posting was done for me from another computer !!!!

Allan.......

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
17 Aug 2008 12:16PM
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The water temperatures reach their lowest point about now and will have risen a bit by October from about 11 degrees to 12 degrees.

There used to be a great graphic of water temps at Sandy Point produced by Andrew Watkins at this address but the server seems to be down at the moment.

www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/temps.html

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
17 Aug 2008 6:14PM
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sailquik said...

sick_em_rex said...

Any idea what the temp of the water is likely to be? Is it worth my while buying some booties?
Also, my smallest sail at present is a 5.2, I presume I should be searching for something smaller also???


Booties for those unconditioned northern tootsies? Definitely!!!

Might be an idea to find a 3.5 wave or something similar just in case we get a Nuclear day. At least you have a chance at surviving a run! Actually, I have a few older small speed sails laying around. If it comes to that I am happy for you to try one, as long as you use your own mast :) (3.7 RDM or 4m SDM depending on the sail).

Your 5.2 will handle most of what we get if it is a good one.


Andrew that would be fantasic, I've got a 400 mast so I'll pack it with me. Think I'll give the booties a miss and just bring a few cans of HTFU with me

AUS-057
QLD, 466 posts
17 Aug 2008 8:44PM
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Hey Sick-em, Hows the rehab on the knee going?

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
17 Aug 2008 9:01PM
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Pretty good David thanks, back to physio this week for another few sessions. I'm itching to get back out on the water but I don't want to risk anything before going to SP. Bit of a bugger, my soccer team made it's grand final in 2 weeks time but it looks like I'll have to rule myself out for fear of aggravating it again. SP is too important for me

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
18 Aug 2008 12:44AM
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Roo said...

IHow many hours each side of low tide are optimum for speedsailing?


Actually, I had another think about that and it is an interesting question. For WSW/SW winds with normal tides one can speed-sail almost right through until the tide gets so high there is no bank left but often on moderate tides that doesn't happen so you can go all day. In strong storms, there is often a tide surge which cuts out about 4 hours of high tide. The other factor is that about 1-2 hours after low tide if it is a big range, the incoming tide throws up pressure waves that can make the course pretty scary as they are just the right frequency to get the board porpoising. It also makes for slow conditions. Often, in this situation as the tide gets up to 3/4 in, the conditions improve again and sometimes get really good for an hour or so before the bank disappears.

In Easterlies we only get about 3-3.5 hrs of clean, low tide bank at best. The tides usually go a lot lower on strong easterlies with the combination a high air pressure and an effectively offshore wind. But in summer there is sometimes a chance at two low tide sessions in a day if the wind is really honking early in the morning, and then another session late in the evening.

In WNW to NW winds here is a short window for the Yanakie channel right around low tide for about 1-2 hours at best if it is a quite low tide. Sometimes there is no window if the tide range is too small. This is our best spot for a NM as it is the only place we can get the full mile in (just, with a bit of rough at each end) but the angle and tide have to be just right and it is very fickle and you have to really watch out for the shallow shoals.

I hope you can make it over for a good session Roo.

windjunky
VIC, 401 posts
18 Aug 2008 6:17PM
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sailquik said...

The water temperatures reach their lowest point about now and will have risen a bit by October from about 11 degrees to 12 degrees.

There used to be a great graphic of water temps at Sandy Point produced by Andrew Watkins at this address but the server seems to be down at the moment.

www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/temps.html


The temps are back up now... Theres also a kludgy Sandy page at:
http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/~awatkins/sandytemps.html

sick_em_rex
NSW, 1600 posts
18 Aug 2008 8:20PM
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oh goody, a balmy 13-14 degree awaits me..... yay

windjunky
VIC, 401 posts
19 Aug 2008 11:13AM
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sick_em_rex said...

oh goody, a balmy 13-14 degree awaits me..... yay


Puts hairs on your chest. Anyway, its Sandy; you can just go bank to bank if you're too scared of cold water. Oh, and yeah... the local fishermem keep trying to tell us its a shark breeding ground; if that doesn't keep you upright and out of the drink i dont know what will.

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
29 Aug 2008 12:36PM
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Count me in - just had my leave approved, and permission from spouse - cost me a puppy, which is a small price to pay.

Bring on the gales!

al green
37 posts
2 Sep 2008 6:49AM
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Chris,
Good to see that your coming, do you need accommodation at speed headquarters, we have a few beds left ??, I believe Dan will contact you also..

Allan.....

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
2 Sep 2008 11:07AM
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Thanks Al, not sure yet. I was planning to just watch the forcecast and jump on a plane if it looks the goods any time from 1 October onwards.



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