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Who said you need a speedboard to do 40 knots?

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Created by TheTank > 9 months ago, 9 Sep 2011
TheTank
124 posts
9 Sep 2011 7:39AM
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Big Ed proved us wrong with hitting a 76,79 km/h 2 sec topspeed with an 2011 iSonic 117w (80 cm!) and a 10 sec run of 73,34 km/h!

www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=86826&uid=1433

AUS-057
QLD, 466 posts
9 Sep 2011 9:41AM
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At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.

choco
SA, 4175 posts
9 Sep 2011 9:17AM
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Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall

FormulaNova
WA, 15084 posts
9 Sep 2011 8:27AM
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choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?

mathew
QLD, 2133 posts
9 Sep 2011 2:00PM
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FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




I'll say yes...

The board+rig knows your leverage moment - which is obviously related to your height (and weight).

And you cannot "just strap on weight" - I weigh 72kg, there is simply no way I could sail with an extra 53kg of lead.


It has previously been done on a xover/wave board:

www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=11981&uid=831

slowboat
WA, 560 posts
9 Sep 2011 3:42PM
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Size matters for going fast. Height and weight is an advantage. As Matt said, you can only strap so much weight on... and the big guys can (and do) strap even more on... and have an even bigger advantage. As I've said before, if you are getting beaten by a shorter, lighter dude in speed, then you aren't making the most of the conditions.

Bjoern and AA were always adding weight on the speed tour. I dont think they do this just for fun.

Its good to see some huge guys going fast on big boards. I dont see regular size guys pushing boards this big to those speeds though. I mean even if this board is big for normal people, its still a total sinker for this guy.

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
9 Sep 2011 6:20PM
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choco said...
not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


He He! Lots of chicks weigh in at around 53 KG. I'd be happy to try windsurfing with one of them sitting on my shoulders strictly in the interests of science of course.
I think it would be very interesting even if I/we were dead slow!

choco
SA, 4175 posts
9 Sep 2011 6:08PM
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FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




depends on the broad[}:)] anyone can throw on weight numbnuts but if you're a chode then you would'nt have the leverage, what category do you fall in?

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
9 Sep 2011 7:02PM
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choco said...

FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




depends on the broad[}:)]


Oh, so Chock you're saying the same as Sailquik, we need to strap a chick around our neck to go fast, I like it

REDhat
37 posts
9 Sep 2011 7:20PM
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She would have to lean forward to maximise the leverage.

stringer
WA, 703 posts
9 Sep 2011 8:04PM
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But if she is facing the right way you won't be able to see where your going \|/

FormulaNova
WA, 15084 posts
9 Sep 2011 8:08PM
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choco said...

FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




depends on the broad[}:)] anyone can throw on weight numbnuts but if you're a chode then you would'nt have the leverage, what category do you fall in?


What's a chode?

I don't understand your expectation of why someone of the same weight, whether 6'8" or 4'8" tall would matter.

I would have thought its more the case that a 6'8" guy at 128kgs is going to be strong and able to use that weight, than if a lightweight 6'8" guy at only 100kgs adds on 28kgs of lead weight. Other than the fact that the 128kg guy is used to that weight and it is relatively evenly distributed weight.

Feel free to show me the physics that shows that a board knows the height of the sailor. No, seriously, I am intrigued.



FormulaNova
WA, 15084 posts
9 Sep 2011 8:12PM
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mathew said...

FormulaNova said...

choco said...

Katapult said...

At 128kgs that is a speed board for him.


not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


Does the board know how tall he is?




I'll say yes...

The board+rig knows your leverage moment - which is obviously related to your height (and weight).

And you cannot "just strap on weight" - I weigh 72kg, there is simply no way I could sail with an extra 53kg of lead.


It has previously been done on a xover/wave board:

www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=11981&uid=831


I agree with the bit about not being able to just add on 53kgs, as you just wouldn't be able to handle that weight easily if you are used to not having it.

How does the 'leverage moment' work on a shorter guy of 128kg (!) and a taller 128kgs guy, and does this vary based on where the boom is and harness line length?

Ian K
WA, 4155 posts
9 Sep 2011 10:08PM
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The leverage moment only depends on how far outboard the centre of gravity of the rider is. The harness and boom positions are internal forces which, unless they restrict how far outboard you can get your c of g only really affect comfort and control.

The leverage moment is of course balanced by the moment of the sail. You can hold onto a more powerful sail if the lift is centred lower down.

The width of the board is important because if you can sail with the board railed to leeward, the fulcrum shifts off axis. Thus you have more moment available to hold down sails. You need to select the correct size fin to be able to let the board rail to leeward comfortably. If the fin is too short you'll need very strong ankles to cope with the internal forces required to rail the board leeward.

Formula boards railed to leeward can get the sailors weight a long way from the fulcrum and can take large sails.

The effect is most pronounced and easier to see in a catamaran which is sailed on the leeward hull giving a sailor a lot of leverage to hold big sails.

Here's an idea I had a while ago on an asymmetric speed board which combines the width to carry a larger sail with the narrowness to not get bounced around too much in chop. Why stop at asymmetric fins?

CrazyEd
1 posts
10 Sep 2011 3:22PM
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do you have read this?
http://www.star-board.com/2012/news_events/read.php?post_name=77kmh-on-an-isonic-117-wide


It's not only the weight, it has to be your style to surf with large sails en boards, I surf allready more than 20 years, when I was 18 years old (80 KG weight) I allready surfed more then 1m2 larger then everybody else :)

now a days the sails and boards are more suited for overpowered speedsurfing.

Bonominator
VIC, 5477 posts
10 Sep 2011 5:43PM
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75 kg. 55cm slalom. 42 knot 10 sec. Fun!

C3
54 posts
12 Sep 2011 12:11PM
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sailquik said...

choco said...
not so much the weight, anyone can throw on a weight jacket but the guys 202cm tall


He He! Lots of chicks weigh in at around 53 KG. I'd be happy to try windsurfing with one of them sitting on my shoulders strictly in the interests of science of course.
I think it would be very interesting even if I/we were dead slow!



yeah... i'd be into that.

Boogie




Te Hau
493 posts
12 Sep 2011 4:27PM
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So that's why all those guys have switched over to kiting

russh
SA, 3027 posts
12 Sep 2011 6:06PM
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Te Hau said...

So that's why all those guys have switched over to kiting


Why so they can hang naked of a rich dude

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
14 Sep 2011 8:13PM
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Boogie. That looks like just about exactly 53 Kilos to my trained eye.

bigbear
QLD, 151 posts
16 Sep 2011 9:05PM
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Is that a virgin flight?

Victor B
WA, 130 posts
17 Sep 2011 9:56PM
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not anymore i bet



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