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Wave Sails and Speed

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Created by DavMen > 9 months ago, 14 Dec 2009
DavMen
NSW, 1508 posts
14 Dec 2009 10:59AM
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On the weekend I managed a PB of 26.3 on my Ezzy6.3SE with a JP110xcite and a standard fin(JP 34 freeride), pretty much over powered in about 25knts(28 gusts) of wind.
Earlier in the day in 18knts of wind with a NP-Hellcat 7.7 on the same board with a 40cm fin, I had done what I though was my fastest time of the day, which was 25.7 (at that time would have translated a PB fo me).
Realisticaly how much faster can I expect the wave sail to go? Would changing over to an equivalent sized freeride - (say a 6.2 Hellcat for arguments sake) effect my top speed compared to my 6.3 ezzy wave sail?
Looking at some speed tables, and I'm just looking at the 30knt - 25knt range, I don't see any wave sails being used.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
14 Dec 2009 8:29AM
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My speed PB of over 35 knots was set on a 5m Ezzy Wave SE...

Despite having 'proper' slalom sails now I haven't managed to beat it.

I think that sails aren't a big part of the speed equation, board width and fin shape have a lot more effect.

hardpole
WA, 604 posts
14 Dec 2009 9:02AM
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I have only managed to do a fraction of a knot faster on my cammed speed sail than my Ezzy SE Wave (5.0) - thats was on a bump and jump board with a wave fin as well.

Maybe those ezzy waves are fast

But the cammed speed sail feels much better and more stable, I think its me thats holding the equipment back. Also being in the right spot at the right time helps.

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
14 Dec 2009 9:48PM
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spotty has knocked out a 41knot peak on his KA Kaos wave sail.

he's also done a few 40+ knot runs on the KA Koyote no cam freeride sail.

of course the KA koncept is capable of doing 50 knots.

ditto sailquik! lol

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
14 Dec 2009 10:49PM
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Given enough wind and the ability to hang on, there is no reason why one can't go very fast on a wave or no cam Freeride sail.
Flat water + really strong wind + 130 degrees off the wind = FAST!

My PB with a 3.7 KA KOAS on a Starboard Acid 74 with standard fin is a peak of just over 40 knots:

session_date Saturday, Saturday, December 31, 2005
Spot Sandy Point, Victoria, Australia
Board Starboard Acid 74
Sail KA Sails Kaos 3.7
Fin Starboard Drake Wave 20
GPS type Garmin Geko 201
Average speed 37.19 knots ( 38.28 37.53 36.88 36.88 36.39 )
Max. GPS (display) 39.42 knots
Max. 2 sec. (software) 40.39 knots
100 m run 38.88 knots
250 m run 37.53 knots
500 m run 32.88 knots
Nautical mile 0 knots
1 hour 0 knots
Distance 23.3
Windspeed 28 knots
Gusts 38 knots
GPS type Garmin Geko 201
Doppler
Remarks
The first serious 'Honking Easterly' of the summer.

I was amazed at how fast I went on the Starboard Acid Wave 74 ('04 model)

Great fun!!!

Check out Spotty's speed on a wave board and sail:

and a note in my own post from 26th sept 06 about Spotty on his wave board:

"On top of all that (Spotty) looks like he must have made a new world record for top speed on a wave board with a 41.5kt GPS reading on his Starboard Acid (88?) and KA Kaos wave sail."

Te Hau
493 posts
15 Dec 2009 5:54AM
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It is definitely possible to go very quick on wave sails.
We had a good demo 3 weeks back when we got a top sailor on his wave sails and gave him a gps and a modern fin.
Sailor was Dale Muller an ex kiwi wave sailing champ (10 times +) and a guy who is a sailing legend in NZ.
He was using his 15 year old 8'8" slalom board and wave sails of his own manufacture (nearly as old).
Sailing spot was Lake Clearwater, our local high country, high wind lake and it was 30-40 knots, very gusty and a long way from flat water.
He got peaks of 38+ knots on both 5.0 and 4.6 rigs, tried our race rigs and didn't like them, particularly the way they couldn't be feathered to knock speed off when you needed to, for control.
He was sure he would remain faster on RAF wave sails.
I have no doubt that if he put time into it and had flat water he would be doing 40 knots before too much longer.
Very interesting getting the impressions of such a good sailor and one who really understands sails, having operated Taranaki Sail Co for many years.

2 second run n°1 = 70.98km/h [38.33Knots] (39.4 m. in 2.000 s.)

10 second run n°1 = 68.76km/h [37.13Knots] (191.0 m. in 10.000 s.)

5 best 10 second (at least) average = 65.91km/h [35.59Knots]

100 meter run n°1 = 70.12km/h [37.86Knots] (116.9 m. in 6.000 s.)

250 meter run n°1 = 67.40km/h [36.39Knots] (262.1 m. in 14.000 s.)

500 meter run n°1 = 62.36km/h [33.67Knots] (519.6 m. in 30.000 s.)



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