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The "New" GTC Ladder

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Created by kato > 9 months ago, 30 Aug 2008
kato
VIC, 3507 posts
30 Aug 2008 10:13PM
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The new ladder based on dropping the worst round. We almost win

Team Pts Worst Pts New Pts New

1 Swan River Mob 123........29......... 94......... Swan R 94
2 Mandurah Mob 183....... 28......... 155....... Pit Crew 136
3 Onboard Speed Demons 189....... 36......... 153....... Moreton 146
4 Moreton Bay Mob 193....... 47......... 146....... On Board 153
5 Pit Crew 196....... 60......... 136....... Mandurah 155
6 Tassie Speed Seakers 344....... 63......... 281....... Tassie 281
7 Board Crazy Boys 377....... 81......... 296....... Board Crazy 296
8 Pinnas 419....... 62......... 357....... Pinnas 357
9 Perth Southsiders 487....... 78......... 409....... Crewmasters 392
10 Connewarre Crewmasters560........ 168....... 392....... FNQ Mob 397
11 FNQ Mob 577....... 180....... 397....... Perth Sth 409
12 S.C.Vikings 598....... 90......... 508....... S C Vikings 508
13 WW Speed Divas 711....... 100....... 611....... Cockroaches 576
14 Cockroaches 756....... 180....... 576....... W W Speed Divas 611

Makes the top 5 interesting and very close

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
30 Aug 2008 8:18PM
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Could always just harden up and sail more

Yes, I know the irony of saying that to the distance master

kato
VIC, 3507 posts
30 Aug 2008 10:35PM
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To True

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
30 Aug 2008 9:00PM
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Will you guys score some wind tomorow to gazump us all?

kato
VIC, 3507 posts
30 Aug 2008 11:14PM
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No

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
30 Aug 2008 9:46PM
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kato said...

No


Cool
I mean Bugger

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
30 Aug 2008 11:03PM
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kato said...

The new ladder based on dropping the worst round. We almost win

Team Pts Worst Pts New Pts New

1 Swan River Mob 123........29......... 94......... Swan R 94
2 Mandurah Mob 183....... 28......... 155....... Pit Crew 136
3 Onboard Speed Demons 189....... 36......... 153....... Moreton 146
4 Moreton Bay Mob 193....... 47......... 146....... On Board 153
5 Pit Crew 196....... 60......... 136....... Mandurah 155
6 Tassie Speed Seakers 344....... 63......... 281....... Tassie 281
7 Board Crazy Boys 377....... 81......... 296....... Board Crazy 296
8 Pinnas 419....... 62......... 357....... Pinnas 357
9 Perth Southsiders 487....... 78......... 409....... Crewmasters 392
10 Connewarre Crewmasters560........ 168....... 392....... FNQ Mob 397
11 FNQ Mob 577....... 180....... 397....... Perth Sth 409
12 S.C.Vikings 598....... 90......... 508....... S C Vikings 508
13 WW Speed Divas 711....... 100....... 611....... Cockroaches 576
14 Cockroaches 756....... 180....... 576....... W W Speed Divas 611

Makes the top 5 interesting and very close




It's on the agenda for discussion for next year.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
30 Aug 2008 11:20PM
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hardie said...

kato said...

The new ladder based on dropping the worst round. We almost win

Team Pts Worst Pts New Pts New

1 Swan River Mob 123........29......... 94......... Swan R 94
2 Mandurah Mob 183....... 28......... 155....... Pit Crew 136
3 Onboard Speed Demons 189....... 36......... 153....... Moreton 146
4 Moreton Bay Mob 193....... 47......... 146....... On Board 153
5 Pit Crew 196....... 60......... 136....... Mandurah 155
6 Tassie Speed Seakers 344....... 63......... 281....... Tassie 281
7 Board Crazy Boys 377....... 81......... 296....... Board Crazy 296
8 Pinnas 419....... 62......... 357....... Pinnas 357
9 Perth Southsiders 487....... 78......... 409....... Crewmasters 392
10 Connewarre Crewmasters560........ 168....... 392....... FNQ Mob 397
11 FNQ Mob 577....... 180....... 397....... Perth Sth 409
12 S.C.Vikings 598....... 90......... 508....... S C Vikings 508
13 WW Speed Divas 711....... 100....... 611....... Cockroaches 576
14 Cockroaches 756....... 180....... 576....... W W Speed Divas 611

Makes the top 5 interesting and very close




It's on the agenda for discussion for next year.



But a zero month post (no two people sailed on same day, any day in a particular month) isn't counted as the month that can be dropped,,,, right? Otherwise the concept to sail right through on and off season gets watered down (I think)

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
31 Aug 2008 8:52AM
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mineral1 said...

hardie said...

kato said...

The new ladder based on dropping the worst round. We almost win

Team Pts Worst Pts New Pts New

1 Swan River Mob 123........29......... 94......... Swan R 94
2 Mandurah Mob 183....... 28......... 155....... Pit Crew 136
3 Onboard Speed Demons 189....... 36......... 153....... Moreton 146
4 Moreton Bay Mob 193....... 47......... 146....... On Board 153
5 Pit Crew 196....... 60......... 136....... Mandurah 155
6 Tassie Speed Seakers 344....... 63......... 281....... Tassie 281
7 Board Crazy Boys 377....... 81......... 296....... Board Crazy 296
8 Pinnas 419....... 62......... 357....... Pinnas 357
9 Perth Southsiders 487....... 78......... 409....... Crewmasters 392
10 Connewarre Crewmasters560........ 168....... 392....... FNQ Mob 397
11 FNQ Mob 577....... 180....... 397....... Perth Sth 409
12 S.C.Vikings 598....... 90......... 508....... S C Vikings 508
13 WW Speed Divas 711....... 100....... 611....... Cockroaches 576
14 Cockroaches 756....... 180....... 576....... W W Speed Divas 611

Makes the top 5 interesting and very close




It's on the agenda for discussion for next year.



But a zero month post (no two people sailed on same day, any day in a particular month) isn't counted as the month that can be dropped,,,, right? Otherwise the concept to sail right through on and off season gets watered down (I think)



That was my personal thinking, but no decision has been made yet.

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
31 Aug 2008 9:42AM
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I've joked about dropping a month but just leave it as is

What about dropping the best month from the top 5 teams

lao shi
WA, 1338 posts
31 Aug 2008 10:23AM
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Next we will be like sailing regattas with Gold and Silver fleets.

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
31 Aug 2008 12:09PM
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firiebob said...

I've joked about dropping a month but just leave it as is

What about dropping the best month from the top 5 teams


Top 5 teams have to drop two best months
Lets see a bit of tanking hit the sessions if that was the case[}:)]
Slide rules would be running hot

OceanBlue64
VIC, 980 posts
31 Aug 2008 7:08PM
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Maybe the top teams should 'donate' their best month to another team... maybe to the team that is in 8th spot 11th at the moment (sorry mineral1 )

All joking aside, I like it the way it is. When I see all the top teams it makes me want to push that little harder. Plus you try to rally the rest of the team so the points count. If we start dropping months etc then maybe people wont be as competitive?

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
31 Aug 2008 5:41PM
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OceanBlue64 said...

Maybe the top teams should 'donate' their best month to another team... maybe to the team that is in 8th spot at the moment



Rather sporting of you ol chap, thanks, we can do with a few extra points

decrepit
WA, 12767 posts
31 Aug 2008 5:57PM
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As a Mandurah Blob it's a horrible idea, seems to affect us more than most, Kato's chart drops us from 2nd to 5th. (Although some may argue, that's where we belong.)
We're the tortoise team, slow and steady, our worst month (28) is the lowest there, that's how we were in 2nd, so we only lose by dropping it.

And the SRM still stay in 1st.

OceanBlue64
VIC, 980 posts
31 Aug 2008 8:25PM
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mineral1 said...

OceanBlue64 said...

Maybe the top teams should 'donate' their best month to another team... maybe to the team that is in 8th spot at the moment



Rather sporting of you ol chap, thanks, we can do with a few extra points


Had to edit my previous post How dare other people post this close to the end of the month!![}:)]

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
31 Aug 2008 6:41PM
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How would you go being FNQ team, they hold the lead for 95% of the month and a pressure front blows across the bottom of Aus and nails them from 1st too 5th in three days
Being the team they are, bet they will congratulate the top crews in a blink
Mineral

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
31 Aug 2008 7:28PM
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mineral1 said...

How would you go being FNQ team, they hold the lead for 95% of the month and a pressure front blows across the bottom of Aus and nails them from 1st too 5th in three days
Being the team they are, bet they will congratulate the top crews in a blink
Mineral


Too right Mineral it's all good mate, I had a nice arvo today with Cam at his home, even though we live and sail in the same area this would never have happened before GPSTC
Also WOW, how's all the PB's in the last couple of days

kato
VIC, 3507 posts
31 Aug 2008 9:29PM
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I like the "Donate" idea and the drop the best mth for the top 5 is pretty good too. We need to work out a way of leveling out the wind /no wind situation for all the different states. Maybe double points for if you sail during your states "Autumn period" NSW has copped the no wind pretty bad this year and WA just gets lots. Lets all move to Hardies place and sail

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
31 Aug 2008 7:34PM
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kato said...

I like the "Donate" idea and the drop the best mth for the top 5 is pretty good too. We need to work out a way of leveling out the wind /no wind situation for all the different states. Maybe double points for if you sail during your states "Autumn period" NSW has copped the no wind pretty bad this year and WA just gets lots. Lets all move to Hardies place and sail


Na dropping the best month from the top teams was a joke

kato
VIC, 3507 posts
31 Aug 2008 9:42PM
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"Na dropping the best month from the top teams was a joke "

I still like it.....and I need a new Carbon Boon,Ya need a few points

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
1 Sep 2008 1:17AM
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The idea of leveling out the different locations so everyone has a fair chance of winning is a bit dodgy. The fact is some places in Australia are better for windsurfing than others. No point trying to escape that fact. Its not a competition where livelyhoods and houses are at stake. Its fun. So far no one from NSW has complained. We understand we are from the Premier State and Windsurfing is a hit and miss affair.

Its great the GTC shows where its good to go windsurfing. From the GTC I've learned that the windsurfing dream is to spend the warmer months in WA and the winter months in FNQ.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
1 Sep 2008 9:43AM
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Mobydisc said...

The idea of leveling out the different locations so everyone has a fair chance of winning is a bit dodgy. The fact is some places in Australia are better for windsurfing than others. No point trying to escape that fact. Its not a competition where livelyhoods and houses are at stake. Its fun. So far no one from NSW has complained. We understand we are from the Premier State and Windsurfing is a hit and miss affair.

Its great the GTC shows where its good to go windsurfing. From the GTC I've learned that the windsurfing dream is to spend the warmer months in WA and the winter months in FNQ.


I totally agree Disco.

My overriding concern is to keep the scoring system simple. I want people to be able to understand it at a glance, even if it sacrifices a tiny bit of 'fairness'.
There's also no way I'll make a major change to the scoring system halfway through the year, because how would you feel if you're in top spot and a new system makes you come in third?

I'm considering putting in a "drop your worst round" system for next year, we can do it as a one year trial sort of thing to see if people consider it fairer.

In the end no matter which scoring system you choose the top teams are still going to come out on top, so why not keep it simple? At least that way lunkheads like me can try to figure out what's happened after a photo finish like we just had for August

P.S. It was great to meet you the other day on the beach

conan
NSW, 180 posts
9 Sep 2008 9:10PM
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why try to fix it if it's not broken , if you really want to know who's the best ,national championship , ie speed week . some states have better more consistant wind they will allways have better results dosen't mean they are the best,. the way scores are worked out now gives you a good overview off sailors speeds & good places to sail.KEEP IT SIMPLE THEN EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS.

WINDSURFnSNOW
NSW, 1613 posts
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10 Sep 2008 12:22PM
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NSW will be back!

The cochroaches will be going to extreme lengths at the end of the month to get some wind. We're up and moving to Sandy Point for the best part of a fortnight to get some of the good stuff with Al.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
10 Sep 2008 12:34PM
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WINDSURFnSNOW said...

NSW will be back!

The cochroaches will be going to extreme lengths at the end of the month to get some wind. We're up and moving to Sandy Point for the best part of a fortnight to get some of the good stuff with Al.





Thats what its about. Get off your arse and get moving, whether around your state or across the country. Its a big country and all you need is some cash and time to see it. Unfortunately most people either have one or the other.


hardie
WA, 4129 posts
10 Sep 2008 11:37AM
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Yes in WA it's not uncommon to travel 500km 1 K+ return to get a windsurf gfor a weekend perth to gero is very common, and perth to the G and the E are about 1000km, 2 K+ return, more for wavesailing, but same thing

shear tip
NSW, 1125 posts
10 Sep 2008 3:05PM
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Mobydisc said...
...Its a big country and all you need is some cash and time to see it. Unfortunately most people either have one or the other.


Some have neither



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