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Overspeed setting on GT-11

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Created by Jrobb > 9 months ago, 12 Jun 2007
Jrobb
11 posts
12 Jun 2007 3:17AM
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First post but I've been pokin around a bit. I got to thinking about this feature from another post in the "Aquapac placement" thread.

I've been trying out the GT-11 for a bit and haven't used the overspeed function yet. Does it reset itself (turn off buzzer or led once below set speed)? How long does the buzzer or led go off? Or do you have to manually reset it? I'm about to send it back as I can't navigate the menus in the pac...at all without pressing the ts down. I like to interact with teh GPS enroute but I can't with the Aquapac. What are the various speeds you can set to alert to? I use Nautical units so best for kts if possible.

My typical routine is (with Fortrex) glance down. If I see 30+kts from a run it's a keeper so I reset and monitor till I get more over 30kts. I keep a running total in my head so I know what's what. If I'm hitting 32's I know to keep hammering till I hit 6 or 8 total in range for good avg.

Currently with GT in pac, I run around till I get tired and hope things went ok. If the overspeed works as I hope, I might not have to post this back to the vendor.

Sorry if the q's seem obvious but I've packed the unit up last night and am at work so I can't test it yet.

Any thoughts?

J

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
12 Jun 2007 7:15AM
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Methinks our not-so-swift mate is back...

Do you have any idea how fast 30 knots is?

mathew
QLD, 2133 posts
12 Jun 2007 11:55AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Jrobb


I've been trying out the GT-11 for a bit and haven't used the overspeed function yet. Does it reset itself (turn off buzzer or led once below set speed)? How long does the buzzer or led go off? Or do you have to manually reset it? I'm about to send it back as I can't navigate the menus in the pac...at all without pressing the ts down. I like to interact with teh GPS enroute but I can't with the Aquapac. What are the various speeds you can set to alert to? I use Nautical units so best for kts if possible.

My typical routine is (with Fortrex) glance down. If I see 30+kts from a run it's a keeper so I reset and monitor till I get more over 30kts. I keep a running total in my head so I know what's what. If I'm hitting 32's I know to keep hammering till I hit 6 or 8 total in range for good avg.

Currently with GT in pac, I run around till I get tired and hope things went ok. If the overspeed works as I hope, I might not have to post this back to the vendor.



Overspeed: you cant hear it on the water, too much wind/water noise. And if you are doing over 30, you probably should be looking at the water state, not your GPS ** -> leave it off.

Reset only when over 30: A 500m run only lasts about 30secs or less -> the five seconds to reset the unit will affect your run too much. You will loose too much speed as you concentrate at hitting the buttons (even the Foretrex buttons). If you think that you have enough time to hit the reset button only when you are in the middle of a run, then you are probably wasting some top-end speed.

Aquapac: Using the GT-11 menus while it is inside the Aquapac, is very hard. To make it easier, some people use a little nylon washer (about 1mm thick) placed over the joystick -> makes the joystick bigger and the sharp edge of the washer makes controlling easier. Reseting the max-speed on the GT-11 is no harder than on the Foretrex, and you wont be changing screens, etc while on the water (unless you arn't actually sailing...).

Sending the GT-11 back: The GT-11 is about an order of magnitude more accurate than the Foretrex using the direction absolute position comparison. It is about 2 orders more accurate when using Doppler calculations. It is also capable of logging more than 4 hours of sailing.

If you are doing a comparison of different units, make sure do it for valid reasons.

** It is possible to use the "Speed" or "Max speed" readout to determine if you are going fast enough by the time you get to the middle of your run. This allows you to know whether to continue bearing downwind or head back upwind for another try.

MintoxGT
WA, 975 posts
12 Jun 2007 12:48PM
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quote:
Originally posted by nebbian

Methinks our not-so-swift mate is back...

Do you have any idea how fast 30 knots is?



May not be Nebbs, anyhow there are other things to talk about, pursue those my friend

Remember what Hardie said - Dont feed the blighters if they are out there.

Cheers GT

Jrobb
11 posts
12 Jun 2007 10:52PM
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quote:
Originally posted by nebbian

Methinks our not-so-swift mate is back...

Do you have any idea how fast 30 knots is?



You mean this guy? http://www.teamcoyote.net/shot_otd.html

Nope, not me.

...and yes I do.

Do you?

J

Jrobb
11 posts
12 Jun 2007 11:20PM
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Matthew:

Maybe I should have been more clear.

I don't reset during the speed run. I reset just after the tack or jybe at the end of the run.

Resetting the Fortrex is way easier than the Gt. Press the same button twice. (enter-"reset max speed?"-enter) takes 2seconds even cruising @over 25kts if I forgot to do it earlier. I do sail and do well locally. I post on GPSSS and short of posting all my credentials to dispell the e-thug in all of us I'll let you and Nebbs put 2 and 2 together yourself over there. www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx
Hint:All info provided here(and in profile) is correct.

The unit was given to me to try out to see if I wanted to purchase it. I am fully aware of it's benefits...precision and validity of stored tracks and quantity. It is rather useless while under way (currently) compared to the Fortrex... but I'm not trying to sling muck here.

I usually leave the "max speed" screen up but I like to improve on all fronts rather than just one. I use a custom page on the Fortrex displaying max speed,distance sailed,time moving, and moving avg. All visible at a glance...no buttons needed. I can tell instantly if my 1hr time is good or better and I can keep at it till I have enough time logged. If I'm close to my personal max distance, I can do that too. Convenience is what I'm comparing certainly not precision.

J

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
13 Jun 2007 12:14AM
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So next time you're windsurfing, turn the overspeed function on, and try it out! Sheesh!

You want us to make up your mind for you?

Seriously though, it starts beeping at 22 knots or so, slowly. By the time it hits 25 it's beeping pretty consistently. Then when you hit 30 it's going at least once every second.

But you'll only be able to hear it if your GPS is on the forward arm (so starboard arm if your speed run is starboard tack).

Jrobb
11 posts
13 Jun 2007 2:34AM
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quote:
Originally posted by nebbian

So next time you're windsurfing, turn the overspeed function on, and try it out! Sheesh!

You want us to make up your mind for you?

Seriously though, it starts beeping at 22 knots or so, slowly. By the time it hits 25 it's beeping pretty consistently. Then when you hit 30 it's going at least once every second.

But you'll only be able to hear it if your GPS is on the forward arm (so starboard arm if your speed run is starboard tack).



My origional post was sent from work, the unit was at home packaged up ready to send back. I figured I'd be able to get some info about it first before I unwrapped it again. I didn't so this morning I opened it tested out the function and I don't think it will be enough to see or hear. I may try it on the water...I may not.

I really wanted to love this unit but it only seems to do two things well...download fast, and store lots of data precisely and accurately.

Is the newer firmware (1.6)any better than 1.5? What extras does it provide.

J

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
13 Jun 2007 8:22AM
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G'day Jon

The details of the firmware change was covered in a thread on GPS speed
www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=forum&forum=1&val=3732

Not using the Navi myself I can't comment personally but from what I gather it has made an improvement.

Hope this helps

mathew
QLD, 2133 posts
13 Jun 2007 11:04AM
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Hi Jon, Firstly apologies for any bad-will, there have been quite a number of postings from a person who is using a different username for each posting.

As Elmo said, there is some work going on in the background where a group of us have been having lots of technical discussions on how to evolve the GPS-based measurement capabilities so that it is more meaningful.

The short of it is that we are aiming to make the GT-11 accurate to better than 1cm/s - and mostly just from doing a simple firmware update. There are also some other features which we are requesting too, eg: big digit readouts. The idea being that for serious GPS measurement you would only need a single GT-11 to be confident that your results were pretty close to world-record accuracy.

However, as your subsequent posts have explained there are some features that the GT-11 doesn't have and probably never will. eg: 4 different readouts on the one screen -> the GT-11 simply doesn't have the screen space.

I personally run both of GT-11 and Foretrex -> the GT-11 does the high-precision logging and the Foretrex shows the real-time data.

Jrobb
11 posts
13 Jun 2007 11:10AM
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quote:
Originally posted by elmo

G'day Jon

The details of the firmware change was covered in a thread on GPS speed
www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=forum&forum=1&val=3732

Not using the Navi myself I can't comment personally but from what I gather it has made an improvement.

Hope this helps



Thanks Elmo looks like they "fixed" away one of the thinngs I'd have kept...the single button reset. Oh well.

J

Jrobb
11 posts
13 Jun 2007 11:23AM
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quote:
Originally posted by mathew

Hi Jon, Firstly apologies for any bad-will, there have been quite a number of postings from a person who is using a different username for each posting.

As Elmo said, there is some work going on in the background where a group of us have been having lots of technical discussions on how to evolve the GPS-based measurement capabilities so that it is more meaningful.

The short of it is that we are aiming to make the GT-11 accurate to better than 1cm/s - and mostly just from doing a simple firmware update. There are also some other features which we are requesting too, eg: big digit readouts. The idea being that for serious GPS measurement you would only need a single GT-11 to be confident that your results were pretty close to world-record accuracy.

However, as your subsequent posts have explained there are some features that the GT-11 doesn't have and probably never will. eg: 4 different readouts on the one screen -> the GT-11 simply doesn't have the screen space.

I personally run both of GT-11 and Foretrex -> the GT-11 does the high-precision logging and the Foretrex shows the real-time data.



No worries, we've finally gotten rid of Sinbad, Cosmicharlie, Swiftsailor et al from a few other boards I visit. He has painted all us Yanks bullseyes.

I think it's great they are listening to those who actually use it. I think I'll wait to see how it develops later on. It is in its infancy still.

I loved using it with the Fortrex. I did the exact same thing. The Fortrex served as sort of a trip computer wiile the GT did all the hard work.

I found a company called OtterBox who makes a PS case (clear plastic uncrushable) that will fit the GT-11. www.otterbox.com/
They offer a prototyping service that can produce prototypes of plastics. I emailed them about modifying their current box to allow for armstrap use and thumbstick use while still being watertight (to 100ft). Haven't heard back yet though.

J



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