gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2010-11-30&team=16
Will the file have to be split?
Realspeed automatically splits the file, by date.... you would need to select the "combined" file to get the full stats.
so if kato posts today sometime and the pit end up on top for month, do they get it or was cut off midnight for cup results? witch i think it should be, any way if not it will be close.
I think everyone still has a week to post for it to count, but looks like it's only Kato who we are waiting on!! Perhaps he is still sailing!!
You sure those Pit Boys are not pulling your leg Izaak?? [}:)]
Nah. They wouldn't do that, would they. 
I just drove through Hobart and there was a blonde guy waveing severne and starboard flags. He was being restrained by four big blokes in white, they were trying to get a big white back to front jacket on him. He was frothing at the mouth scream something about 'He can't do this, he can't, its mine all mine, he can't, I wont let him, dam you kato i'll have my revenge...' then they hit him with a tazer and stuffed him into a padded van.
Nebs , in cases like this do you go off daylight saving time (an artificial construct, not applied universally across Australia) or the UTC/GMT time, which would be 1am.
My feeling is Kato should be able to count his Ks up to 1am for the November month.
Hey Yoyo,
It's a tricky one allright. The most defensive is to say "Midnight local time", whatever that happens to be, whether daylight savings are applied or not.
Ie if you were to ring the talking clock in that area, the cutoff is when it says "Twelve am precisely".
This is because the session is all keyed by date, and the date changes over at midnight local time.
It sucks having to split Kato's file in half though, I wish there were some way of showing just how far he went in one 24 hour period... maybe that's what GPS-SS is for.
Out of interest is that the world record for most number of gybes in 24hours.
(Hurry up Kato and count them)
circumstances.
sorry a great effort, but rules are rules.It could stuff up the outcome of this month or any another month it may occur again. if he sailed past twelve PM there should be one for yesterday and session for today.
I vote it counts just for the sheer audacity of the feat and the committment....BUT, rules are rules I guess and final say should go to Nebs and Hards in my opinion. Whatever they decide I am happy to live by.
Well done Craig, truly astounding 
You're right, sick_em, the sheer audacity of this effort is astounding. I have immense respect for anyone who can go more than 200 k's in a day, and to more than double that is just... plain... superhuman.
There's no doubt in my mind that Kato did that distance, and there's also no doubt that it is an incredible achievement.
However this track has thrown up an interesting conundrum, in that no-one to my knowledge has ever sailed past midnight and kept going ... So we have two options:
Option 1) Allow people to pick and choose which 24 hour period they want to sail in. My problem with this is that someone could easily sail 100 km from midday till sunset, then have a nice meal, a sleep, wake up early the next morning and sail another 100 k's, for a total of 200 km in one 24 hour period. This isn't nearly as muscle-wrenching as a solid 200km in one session, and I really don't want to encourage this sort of manipulation. Apart from anything else, do you say that the session happened on the date that you started, or the date that you finished?
Option 2) Set the cutoff at midnight local time. This has the benefit of being clear, concise, there's no argument about which day you choose to take it as, and most GPS programs are set up to split files by date anyway.
I think we have to choose option 2) here, just from a parity / rulekeeping / keep it simple viewpoint.
It's worth remembering that although the GPS Team Challenge works well as a log of your sessions, it is first and foremost a competition, and we only have 6 categories to record performance in.
This has worked well for most things, however every now and again someone throws us a curve ball which shows that our system isn't perfect.
I would dearly love to record this amazing effort somehow, please remember that splitting the file by midnight doesn't mean that Kato hasn't done that distance, it just means that we don't have a way to record it!
If GPS-SS allows posting of any 24 hour period, then I would recommend posting the track on there, and making a link on your GTC session to the GPS-SS page.
On a personal note Kato, you are un... be... lievable!!!! I can't express just how amazing that effort is.
Well if someone had previously set a notable distance but stopped at midnight because that's how they'd interpreted the rules then reclarifying them now would be an issue. But I doubt anybody has? And all existing distances are still going to be valid, or increased, if it's 24 hrs start any time.
I think 24 hrs makes sense. There's plenty of other 24 hr events, Le Mans, the bike race in Canberra. None of them start at midnight. Why would you? Sail the afternoon, have a break and sail the morning. What's wrong with that? Kato's distance will still take some beating.
What an effort, it can't be pruned!
Windsurfing as an organised sporting competition has had a long suffering history,in pre GPS teamchallenge days, of people gathering on specific days at specific locations and occasionally getting the wind required to run a competative event.
The GPS team challenge has liberated the sport from the fickleness of the wind.
Does Kato now have to wait till he can find a wind window which stretches from midnight to midnight to have his achievments recognised.
As a single ,reasonably continuous session of 24 hours, Katos achievement would pass any fairness test and does not infringe any reasonable interpretation of the refreshingly minimilist GPS teamchallenge rules.
This problem has come up before... and the standing was "its close enough - we arn't playing for sheep stations".
When did it occur? Apparently you dont have to worry about the time of day if you happen to be sailing in Karpathos, etc. relative to your team.
Note that the "localtime" rule as specified, wont work as where is localtime? Local to the team? Local to the individual?
... So we have two options:
Option 2 isn't actually an option - it's the existing rule.
Just as a comparison
Dave Morehead - On the water at 5:20am and off the water at 7:45pm with two short stops. Total 511km in 14hours and 25mins
Craig Hollins - On the water at 7.15 am and finised at 7.30 the next day. The best 24 hr window in GPS-Results produced 540.9 km's. Reading GPSTC log, approx 490kms were achieved between 7.15am and 11.30pm. Total 490kms in 16hrs & 15mins
Both phenominal efforts of endurance (and slight craziness to boot)
I think Nebbs has got it right.
The Challenge is a Monthly Team Based competition with the program written to allocate points and rankings accordingly.
A separate issue is Kato's Outstanding world record individual performance which also needs recognition. Certainly it is a WSSRC & GPSSS issue. How we do this in the GTC I'm not sure. Whether a manual entry could be done where the 555km's is shown in bold or brackets, beside or next to the requirements of the GTC? I dunno, and Nebbs does enuff free work for all of us, that i dont want him having to write a complete program to work this out.
