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GT31 SBN files

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Created by Te Hau > 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2014
Te Hau
493 posts
17 Sep 2014 8:25AM
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Hi, A question for the Techo types,
Has anybody got any ideas why my GT31's seem to only log complete SBP files.
There are always several SBN files stored but usually only 1-4KB and no data.
Complete data is only found on the SBP files.
I need SBN files for a comp which only uses this type.

I have as settings
Memory card.....nmea items SBN
log switch on-fix
Settings........ DGPS Source off
Interface binary
Cheers,
Mike S

decrepit
WA, 12765 posts
17 Sep 2014 1:48PM
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Make sure it's SBN 1sec, sometimes the default is a big number. And try log switch "on" And "file size" is set at "card size"

Not sure about the others, I have a feeling they're not important, but I'll check my settings a bit later, and report back.

kato
VIC, 3506 posts
17 Sep 2014 6:50PM
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Te Hau said..
Hi, A question for the Techo types,
Has anybody got any ideas why my GT31's seem to only log complete SBP files.
There are always several SBN files stored but usually only 1-4KB and no data.
Complete data is only found on the SBP files.
I need SBN files for a comp which only uses this type.

I have as settings
Memory card.....nmea items SBN
log switch on-fix
Settings........ DGPS Source off
Interface binary
Cheers,
Mike S


Change On-Fix to ON, too many issues with on-fix. The rest look ok

REDhat
37 posts
18 Sep 2014 6:57PM
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Maybe try slide the card in and out a few times to fix intermittent bad contacts.

Te Hau
493 posts
19 Sep 2014 9:03AM
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decrepit said..
Make sure it's SBN 1sec, sometimes the default is a big number. And try log switch "on" And "file size" is set at "card size"

Not sure about the others, I have a feeling they're not important, but I'll check my settings a bit later, and report back.


Tried 'on' instead of 'on-fix' yesterday but still the same.
SBN files empty and SBP all good......weird.

File size is 'card size' and SBN 1 sec.

Any other ideas?

decrepit
WA, 12765 posts
19 Sep 2014 8:18PM
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Are you getting the SBP files off the card or with navilink?
If you're using navilink, try doing a "save to card" from the data logger. This should produce a time bar showing download progress.
If this doesn't happen then you have card problems.

Just checked my settings, and the only difference is I have interface NMEA 38400 but I can't see that being the problem.

The only other thing I can think of is "min speed" you haven't got that set to 50knots have you?

Te Hau
493 posts
20 Sep 2014 4:49PM
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decrepit said..
Are you getting the SBP files off the card or with navilink?
If you're using navilink, try doing a "save to card" from the data logger. This should produce a time bar showing download progress.
If this doesn't happen then you have card problems.

Just checked my settings, and the only difference is I have interface NMEA 38400 but I can't see that being the problem.

The only other thing I can think of is "min speed" you haven't got that set to 50knots have you?


I'm using an SD card and 'save to card' in data logger.
I use NMEA 38400 also.
Min speed at 1 kt

decrepit
WA, 12765 posts
20 Sep 2014 6:50PM
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Well you're right, that is soooo weird. The only thing I can suggest and it's a very long shot, is change that 1kt to 0.

I can only think of 3 things that will stop data logging to card.

Bad card connection.
Card logger not turning on.
Min speed too high.

If anybody knows of any other reason, please tell us!!!!!
Seems we've checked all 3, unless the card logger isn't turning on even though you've told it to, not even sure what to do about it if that is the case.

May be a call to locosys is in order?

Te Hau
493 posts
21 Sep 2014 7:36AM
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decrepit said..
Well you're right, that is soooo weird. The only thing I can suggest and it's a very long shot, is change that 1kt to 0.

I can only think of 3 things that will stop data logging to card.

Bad card connection.
Card logger not turning on.
Min speed too high.

If anybody knows of any other reason, please tell us!!!!!
Seems we've checked all 3, unless the card logger isn't turning on even though you've told it to, not even sure what to do about it if that is the case.

May be a call to locosys is in order?


Card logger must be on since it logs SBP data ok.
Both GT31s do the same, which is why I wondered about settings I am using.
No big deal as SBP is ok for usual sites.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
21 Sep 2014 2:39PM
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Te Hau said..

decrepit said..
Are you getting the SBP files off the card or with navilink?
If you're using navilink, try doing a "save to card" from the data logger. This should produce a time bar showing download progress.
If this doesn't happen then you have card problems.

Just checked my settings, and the only difference is I have interface NMEA 38400 but I can't see that being the problem.

The only other thing I can think of is "min speed" you haven't got that set to 50knots have you?



I'm using an SD card and 'save to card' in data logger.
I use NMEA 38400 also.
Min speed at 1 kt


Te Hau,
Don't know if this helps but my GT-31 creates a SBP file if I do a manual "save to card" function - recently the GPS only logged half my session to the card (bad contacts) so I did a save to card to get the entire data. I get normal SBN files when I take the card out and open file directly off card reader.

BTW - it's pretty easy to respring the GPS contacts. Just open up GT-31 and grab a micro screwdriver and rebend them up.

decrepit
WA, 12765 posts
21 Sep 2014 7:31PM
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Card logger must be on since it logs SBP data ok.
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SBP data only appears on the card, after you do a "save to card" from the data logger.
If you have "memory card" "logger on", the SBN files should start on the card as soon as the unit "finds" the card after turn on.
I think transferring files from the internal data logger to the SD card, is a different operation to logging live readings from the sirf chip to the card. So I don't think that's a valid argument.
So that's a point, if you watch the unit after turn on, does it come up with "card found", then "new file"?

Very interesting both your GT31s do the same, that certainly points to settings.
Have you carefully gone through the recommended set ups to check everything?

I can't think of anything that would do it and not also affect the internal data logger.

decrepit
WA, 12765 posts
22 Sep 2014 11:47AM
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One other thought, "settings" "power mode" has caused problems when not set to "normal". If it's set to "low power" that can effect data.

So if you have "memory card" "log switch" = "on" and "min speed" = off. when you turn the unit on, it should come up with "card found" then a short time later "new file". If you then turn unit off after, say 10min, without doing a "save to card" you should have a 10min .SBN file on the card. If you haven't got satellite reception the file will be meaningless but there should still be that 10mins worth. Being outside with reception would be better though.

Te Hau
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24 Sep 2014 7:15PM
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decrepit said..
One other thought, "settings" "power mode" has caused problems when not set to "normal". If it's set to "low power" that can effect data.

So if you have "memory card" "log switch" = "on" and "min speed" = off. when you turn the unit on, it should come up with "card found" then a short time later "new file". If you then turn unit off after, say 10min, without doing a "save to card" you should have a 10min .SBN file on the card. If you haven't got satellite reception the file will be meaningless but there should still be that 10mins worth. Being outside with reception would be better though.



In settings.......Interface was on nmea.
Have reset to binary.
Looks like we may get wind tomorrow to try it.

decrepit
WA, 12765 posts
24 Sep 2014 8:38PM
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That won't make any difference, I think that's for the unit talking to other devices.

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Decrepit said

Just checked my settings, and the only difference is I have interface NMEA 38400 but I can't see that being the problem.


But you don't need wind to test it, just leave it on for 5min like I suggested and see if you have a 5min .SBN file. That way you can make sure it's working before you sail.

Te Hau
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25 Sep 2014 4:34PM
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decrepit said..
That won't make any difference, I think that's for the unit talking to other devices.


Decrepit said

Just checked my settings, and the only difference is I have interface NMEA 38400 but I can't see that being the problem.



But you don't need wind to test it, just leave it on for 5min like I suggested and see if you have a 5min .SBN file. That way you can make sure it's working before you sail.


Tried that this arvo, SBP all good , No SBN.
No worries, I'll forget about SBN. Weird.

decrepit
WA, 12765 posts
25 Sep 2014 7:14PM
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Really makes me want to grab your gps's and play with it for a while, see if I can figure it out. But NZ is a long way from WA!

Te Hau
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6 Oct 2014 5:19PM
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decrepit said..
Really makes me want to grab your gps's and play with it for a while, see if I can figure it out. But NZ is a long way from WA!


Fixed it. Re formatted the card and it saves SBN and SBP now. Guess I had too much data on the card?

decrepit
WA, 12765 posts
6 Oct 2014 10:33PM
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That's even weirder!!!!! If the card was full it wouldn't save anything, and the .sbp file is not that much smaller than the .sbn file. Beats me.
But at least you're up and running now.



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