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Dangers at Novara

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Created by hardie > 9 months ago, 5 Jan 2008
hardie
WA, 4129 posts
5 Jan 2008 11:13AM
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It's getting more risky out there so take note please. Have noted more and more near misses, in aviation terms, they'd be having an inquiry, so let's do some education prevention now.

These are the dangers of Novara:

Trees and rocks in close to shore,. winds are on-shore, walking gear to water on windy day, easy to hit gear against trees and rocks, and shredding a sail, which I nearly did yesterday..

Boat ramp and channel markers strewn through launching area, have hit both channel markers impaling a sail, and clipped boat ramp pillars. So be careful,sailing near them.

Lots of limestone reefs and rocks in the fastest area, fin destroyers, and can hurt self falling or even walking across them.

Because of so many rocks, there are a number of markers, steel pickets, and pvc pipe upheld by steel pickets, stay away from these when sailing at speed as impailing self could cause death.

Lots of weed banks and sand bars, know the tides, and the places where these are located, can be unsafe, and risk break a neck stopping at speed.

Clumps of weed accumulate, and you cannot sail through them, you come to a dead stop, and at over 30 knots this can be suicidal.

Traffic, more and more sailors are now using this area, and people are sailing very fast, look out for others, cllisions at speed could be fatal. NB. People coming out of a speed run go straight into wind to slow down, though this can be in the path of someone else speeding. Also right in the middle of the run is the best Alpha area, so be careful of each other as speedsters and Alphers have a cross-roads interseaction here.

PS. This is not a joke, please take note, prevention is much better than cure.

If you note these hazards, you can make your session there a lot safer for yourself and everyone else.

While Snidesy made a joke about crabs and devil fish they are a reality, so for the squeamish wear booties, the odd cobbler exists as well, I have been bitten by crabs regularly, stood on a cobbler (Ouchy for hours) and stood on a devil fish, very unpleasant, nearly as bad as a cobbler, but doesn't last as long.

snides8
WA, 1731 posts
5 Jan 2008 11:21AM
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what about the crabs and devil fish!!!
good point hardie i nearly got cleaned up by the smiling assasin the other day when i went back on the wind and he was coming down the course!
we both nearly fell off laughing at the near miss
also a good idea to wear a helmet and a life jacket i ususally wear both when the wind gets over 20kn.

the other thing i have found with Novarra is the fact that it is an ENORMOUS stretch of water and it is not unusual for someone to 'disappear' out of sight at the bottom of the course after a nm or when they are sailing across to the other side going for distance or hours or what ever.so what i am saying is use some common sense and keep your eye out for other sailors . if some one goes down un consious un noticed it could have dire consequences.

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
5 Jan 2008 11:53AM
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My biggest issue is watching people coming into shore.

We have seen some pretty horrid stack's into 6" water as people misjudge the depth (or lack thereof).

When you come blasting up the beach into shore.

UNHOOK and get Your feet out of the foot straps. Hang right out of the boom with your arms fully stretched.

If you hit something which is going to stop you, Let go, Fall backwards, spread your body out "Large" so you don't sink, your sail will safely get blown over the leeward side of your board.

We are all starting to sail with small fins 23cm if these stop on the bottom the water is Furken Shallow.

If you stay hooked in you inevitably go over the handlebars, give your board quite a bit of Rhinoplasty work. Even more critical is you get speared into the bottom which could prove fatal.

Unhook a good 20m from shore peoples

decrepit
WA, 12767 posts
5 Jan 2008 11:58PM
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hardie said...

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Also right in the middle of the run is the best Alpha area, so be careful of each other as speedsters and Alphers have a cross-roads interseaction here.

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Talking about this today at hardie's, seems if you apply sailing rules, the person going in for an alpha has to give way, (starboard-port) but coming out from an alpha they have right of way, (both starboard, windward gives way).
In a court of law, if a collision occurred, this is probably how damages etc would be ruled on. But for what we are doing there, it's my opinion that the alpha person should abort their attempt if somebody is coming down the run at speed on a collision course.
I aborted an alpha run yesterday without even thinking about right of way, because I certainly wouldn't want somebody sailing across my path when I'm doing 30+kts.
I think the person aborting their run should do it early so that it's unambiguous to the person on the run that they have a clear track.
But it's still the person on the run's responsibility to make sure a collision doesn't occur, if the person coming out, doesn't see them, or pushes their "right of way" ''

Gestalt
QLD, 14629 posts
6 Jan 2008 1:08AM
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decrepit said...

hardie said...

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Also right in the middle of the run is the best Alpha area, so be careful of each other as speedsters and Alphers have a cross-roads interseaction here.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Talking about this today at hardie's, seems if you apply sailing rules, the person going in for an alpha has to give way, (starboard-port) but coming out from an alpha they have right of way, (both starboard, windward gives way).
In a court of law, if a collision occurred, this is probably how damages etc would be ruled on. But for what we are doing there, it's my opinion that the alpha person should abort their attempt if somebody is coming down the run at speed on a collision course.
I aborted an alpha run yesterday without even thinking about right of way, because I certainly wouldn't want somebody sailing across my path when I'm doing 30+kts.
I think the person aborting their run should do it early so that it's unambiguous to the person on the run that they have a clear track.
But it's still the person on the run's responsibility to make sure a collision doesn't occur, if the person coming out, doesn't see them, or pushes their "right of way" ''


i don't know what the rules say but i htink that's a universal thing.

person turning or doing tricks has the responsibility to look before hand.

the classic i had recently was when sailing with a mate and he gybed and i tacked. that got ugly.

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
6 Jan 2008 12:09AM
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Good points decrep.

Claude destroyed his gear today, hitting a submerged rock at 35 knots broke fin, mast and sail, luckily he was OK. Hardies Run is very dangerous!!!

MintoxGT
WA, 975 posts
6 Jan 2008 2:47AM
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That is great news, thanks for being honest with us, I had my concerns about damaging equipment when I heard how shallow it is there, I dont have a lot of spare cash so all that info and advise is very much appreciated.

Sincerely GT

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
6 Jan 2008 11:24AM
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A 23cm 45 degree weed fin is highly recommended for this place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wesdawindat
WA, 133 posts
7 Jan 2008 2:46PM
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yeh found that out the other day when sailing there, got a Jp 76 that i use as my higher wind board which has a us box, i only have the one fin and its not that flash, so i need a couple more and was just wondering if someone could point me in the right direction, PM me guys that would be cool

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
7 Jan 2008 5:16PM
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Hardies Runners; what tide range is ideal for the run?

If I drive the hour from East Perth hoping for wind, I don't want to find the water too low for fin clearance, or so high that the chop resembles Bass Strait.

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
7 Jan 2008 5:48PM
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AUS1111 said...

Hardies Runners; what tide range is ideal for the run?

If I drive the hour from East Perth hoping for wind, I don't want to find the water too low for fin clearance, or so high that the chop resembles Bass Strait.


Low tide is around .2-,3m (lowest) that leaves 20m of beach
High tide can get up to 1m (highest)

We have recently had tides ranging from .38 @11am to .68 at around 10pm

On the lowest tides you stay away from Hardies Nm suicide run else you will be plowing and replacing fins in places when the rocks are near the surface.

But when the waters up near the shoreline you normally have a goodly amount of water to play with.

That said, Hard's and myself only run 23cm fins with a nice gentle 45º rake so you tend to bounce rather than stop if you hit something solid, we generally find it's fins of 30cm and greater which do the regular depth checks.

It should be noted that even on a low tide the weed bank is that large that you just sail a bit further out and a bit further east and it is still relatively flattish.

For tides we normally refer to Peel inlet, It's kinda accurate.

The other option is get on the telefonken device and cal one of us up for a weather report, our wind can vary a bit to what you would have locally as well and the Mandurah station is outside the mouth of the Mandurah estuary on a channel marker.


Just remember

Sail with your eyes closed

If your eyes are closed, You can't see what you are about to hit.

If you can't see it, it doesn't exist (tree falling in a forest principle)

If it doesn't exist, you cant hit it

Sailing with your eyes closed, also gives you a clean line on the run

as nobody wants to sail near you

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
7 Jan 2008 5:53PM
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Elmo, you running the 23cm on your JP 84? If so is that the one you re-boxed?
Mineral

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
7 Jan 2008 6:07PM
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mineral1 said...

Elmo, you running the 23cm on your JP 84? If so is that the one you re-boxed?
Mineral


Yep, at the moment thats what I run on the Windtech and the JP, for the amount of fins I carry around I only have that one a speed weedy.

Yes, it was a JP slalom fin originally before Mr hacksaw came into play and I re-boxed it.

It's lasted ok considering it was a lazy re-box. it's just the weed, sand, wildlife and constant refinishing is starting to take it's toll as it's gradually getting smaller and thinner (not necessarily better).



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