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Can you go faster than the wind???

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Created by Gusty Willie > 9 months ago, 30 Aug 2008
Gusty Willie
NSW, 16 posts
30 Aug 2008 7:02PM
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I have heard people say that it is possible to faster than the wind..

Is this possible?

How? is it something to do with going across the wind or power to weight? If so can anyone explain the science behind it....

Many thanks

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
30 Aug 2008 5:08PM
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Gusty Willie said...

I have heard people say that it is possible to faster than the wind..

Is this possible?

How? is it something to do with going across the wind or power to weight? If so can anyone explain the science behind it....

Many thanks



Can't explain why, but yes in light to moderate winds it's easy for a windsurfer to go faster than the wind, about double the wind speed.

Wineman
NSW, 1412 posts
30 Aug 2008 8:22PM
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It's called "apparent wind"

Google it & you will get all the info
cheers

decrepit
WA, 12767 posts
30 Aug 2008 6:46PM
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Think of a narrow angled wedge, a large movement of the wedge will cause a small movement of something resting on it, conversely a small movement of the something will cause a large movement of the wedge. Sort of a gearing effect, well if you're sailing a broad reach, your sail is like the wedge and the wind hitting it can drive you faster than it's blowing. How fast depends on power to drag ratio,

sailpilot
QLD, 785 posts
31 Aug 2008 12:59AM
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Or, by vector analysis. Draw a right angle triangle with the two perpendicular sides representing the actual wind speed (say 10knots) and your speed (also 10knots), the hypotenuse now represents the apparent wind. From pythagorus's theorum or geometry you can now find the apparent wind is abt 14 knots, like magic you've made more wind to play with but its now blowing from 45 deg on the bow. Bear away more and work out more triangles and you will see how the apparent wind is more important than the true wind.

jp747
1553 posts
30 Aug 2008 11:39PM
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hardie said...

Gusty Willie said...

I have heard people say that it is possible to faster than the wind..

Is this possible?

How? is it something to do with going across the wind or power to weight? If so can anyone explain the science behind it....

Many thanks



Can't explain why, but yes in light to moderate winds it's easy for a windsurfer to go faster than the wind, about double the wind speed.



but why is it AA at 40plus kts. of wind can only make near 50kts. is it just his equipment that isn't as slippery than drag

choco
SA, 4175 posts
31 Aug 2008 4:24PM
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jp747 said...

hardie said...

Gusty Willie said...

I have heard people say that it is possible to faster than the wind..

Is this possible?

How? is it something to do with going across the wind or power to weight? If so can anyone explain the science behind it....

Many thanks



Can't explain why, but yes in light to moderate winds it's easy for a windsurfer to go faster than the wind, about double the wind speed.



but why is it AA at 40plus kts. of wind can only make near 50kts. is it just his equipment that isn't as slippery than drag


once the wind reaches a certain strenght then drag comes into play,i'd like to see more effort spent on designing windsurf gear that can reach speeds of 40knts in only 15-20knts of wind.

evets
WA, 685 posts
31 Aug 2008 4:38PM
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I would like to be able to do 40 knots in any wind strength

OceanBlue64
VIC, 980 posts
31 Aug 2008 7:01PM
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I just want to make 30 lol.

Gusty Willie
NSW, 16 posts
31 Aug 2008 7:45PM
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Thanks for the info update...

talking less drag.. I saw some Moths in the harbour the other day, ( they kind of have a hydro foil type thing happening, when they get up to speed they pop up out of the water which allows the entire hull to get out of the water, and they fly .....has any one tried anything like that with wind surfers, i recon it might reduce the drag but then controlling the board would be another issue...

Thanks again for the apparent wind update..

CJW
NSW, 1726 posts
31 Aug 2008 8:07PM
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Yeah its been tried on windsurfers but as you can see from the end of the video, given current technologies, it's slower than a conventional windsurfer. It also looked insanely hard to control.

NotWal
QLD, 7430 posts
31 Aug 2008 8:51PM
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That's a great vid. You can see how delicate the control issue is.

There are other hydrofoil windsurfers. (no link sorry)

In theory (as I understand it) they should develop the same lift as a planing hull with less wetted area. As well as that they are not perturbed by bumps so they should be faster.

jp747
1553 posts
2 Sep 2008 10:14PM
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uhuhh! yup am with you Choco how we all wish in the nearest future before my teeth fall off



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