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Australian Speed Championships

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Created by g627 > 9 months ago, 4 Feb 2008
g627
7 posts
4 Feb 2008 6:43PM
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Hi all,

posted this in another thread already:

in fact ISWC (the follow up to ISA as ISAF international class) has the rights for worlds, continentals and national championships. The ISA/ISWC never focussed on a specific timing method, but we need WSSRC approved timing equipment for world and continental championships, as the participants expect that if they break a record it will be ratified. So, as soon as the WSSRC accepts other timing methods, we are on !

We are already sanctioning several national championships run with GPS, e.g. in Germany, and we would be more than happy to see another national championship in the southern hemisphere. There are no costs involved at all, all we ask for is putting a logo on the event website, displaying a flag - and sending us the results.

In doing so, your event becomes part of the speed world tour, all entrants go to the world ranking (which is used for seeding mainly), and allows to send more sailors to the world championship events.

So, if anybody is interested in setting this up in Australia, New Zealand... just contact me at isa@speedsurfing.org

Cheers,
Markus

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
4 Feb 2008 7:55PM
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Hi Markus,

We already have an Australian championship:

www.gpsteamchallenge.com.au

If you would like to talk to me about sending results from here directly to your site then I'd be happy to help. Send me a message through the team challenge site.

snides8
WA, 1731 posts
4 Feb 2008 9:44PM
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beware the thin edge of the wedge.....

mathew
QLD, 2133 posts
4 Feb 2008 10:47PM
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The three main gatherings that are run there currently are "Al Green's speed fortnight" and "Melbourne Cup" and "SpeedWeek".

To hold an event, there probably needs a form to be signed so as to limit the liability for the organisers - from my understanding, Al's event isn't really and "event" but more of a "lets go for a sail". To rank, we simply uses the "fastest speeds" for the daily rankings, with the final final results accumulated from the daily speeds.

SpeedWeek on the other hand, does already use a points-scoring system and we do get people to sign a waver. The actual points system used this season didn't use the normal .7/1/2.../competitors+1 -> this system encourages people to sail everyday, to the detriment of sailors that went fast but only sailed on some days. The system we used allowed fast sailors to only need to sail infrequently, while slow sailors can still rate well by sailing everyday.

g627
7 posts
4 Feb 2008 11:21PM
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Hi all,

as I do not know anything about your structures, would be best that you all discuss this how to handel the best way and then we continue from that point on (if there is interest from your side :) )

As mentioned before, from our side there are no limitations, except the event shall be held at one site in a specified period...

I am happy about any help I can give to bring this forward !

Cheers,
Markus

mathew
QLD, 2133 posts
5 Feb 2008 11:54AM
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g627 said...
.... except the event shall be held at one site in a specified period...


Hi Markus,

This is one point that I dont quite understand. A speed event almost never coincides with good weather - why isn't is possible to call an event with just a few days or even just one day's notice?

Roo
876 posts
5 Feb 2008 11:45AM
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A month could be a specified period or even two weeks, why is that any different to the time period Al's fortnight runs in or the week Speedweek runs. They always seem to get some wind. How about Matt's month of speed? Great initiative by Markus and the ISA/ISWC to support National Championships using GPS.

Goo Screw
VIC, 269 posts
5 Feb 2008 8:05PM
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It sounds like an event for "Hardy's Run" to me.
They don't mind nautical mile's in these things and I believe Mandura has a good one.

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
5 Feb 2008 6:30PM
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Goo Screw said...

It sounds like an event for "Hardy's Run" to me.
They don't mind nautical mile's in these things and I believe Mandura has a good one.



Well why don't we make it happen then.

Dec 27the 08 to jan 6th 09 The Australian NM Speed championships, Novara, Mandurah WA??

Any takers, lets make it happen!!!!!!

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
5 Feb 2008 6:33PM
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hardie said...

Goo Screw said...

It sounds like an event for "Hardy's Run" to me.
They don't mind nautical mile's in these things and I believe Mandura has a good one.



Well why don't we make it happen then.

Dec 27the 08 to jan 6th 09 The Australian NM Speed championships, Novara, Mandurah WA??

Any takers, lets make it happen!!!!!!



Got Pinnas vote

g627
7 posts
5 Feb 2008 6:51PM
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Hi all,

the idea behind "one strip, one period" ist that the chances for anybody taking part in a national championship shall be the same. If you run it on an open format, the people that have free time on that specific day with the big storm will be on top of the list, while guys that have to work on that day have no chance to become national champion, even if they might be the better sailors...

Cheers,
Markus

btw: nautical mile is a recognised course, so no prob...

mathew
QLD, 2133 posts
6 Feb 2008 1:04PM
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Roo said...

A month could be a specified period or even two weeks, why is that any different to the time period Al's fortnight runs in or the week Speedweek runs. They always seem to get some wind. How about Matt's month of speed? Great initiative by Markus and the ISA/ISWC to support National Championships using GPS.


"MMOS" - kind of rolls off the tounge...

Al's is a good choice as it lasts for 15 days or thereabouts. The biggest problem is that the wind, while being quite strong (+35kn), is usually from the wrong direction, with very few people doing better than high 30's.

SpeedWeek would be a good choice too, except that it is only one week long -> the chances of getting storm during that week, is quite low.

A monthly thing would work as the likelyhood of a storm occurring sometime during that month, would be quite high - but I'm not sure that many of us could sit on the beach for a month, waiting for some wind.

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
6 Feb 2008 8:19PM
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mathew said...

Roo said...

A month could be a specified period or even two weeks, why is that any different to the time period Al's fortnight runs in or the week Speedweek runs. They always seem to get some wind. How about Matt's month of speed? Great initiative by Markus and the ISA/ISWC to support National Championships using GPS.



Al's is a good choice as it lasts for 15 days or thereabouts. The biggest problem is that the wind, while being quite strong (+35kn), is usually from the wrong direction, with very few people doing better than high 30's.



I seem to remember laying in a hospital on the Friday of the last week of Al's October event when a bunch of people jumped over me and into the 2007 top ten with some world class speeds in the high 40's!

The first two weeks of October is an excellent time for an event like a National championship for divisions up to 500m. I would certainly include the 5 x 10 sec event though and would favor ranking the Championship on that division. All the other divisions can be ranked as well of course.

I guess the main question is.....Why?

There has to be a compelling reason to actually run an event and a compelling reason for people to enter it. Since there would be little extra cost to include ISWA status, that is not really a disincentive, but what are the advantages?

Some possible ones that come to mind:

- Sailors can gain ISWA seeding and that may help some gain entry into other ISWA events.
Is this incentive? Probably not for many, given the enormous cost of travel to actually go to those other events. There are probably only two or three guys at most who may take advantage of this and one or two of them may not need any more credentials for entry anyhow.

- The sailor who wins the event can call them self the 'Australian Speed Champion'. Not a lot of incentive for many of us, especially given that we already have a ranking in GPS-SS and it is pretty obvious who the "champion" is.

- To enable sailors to sail in an event that gives them an official world ranking in ISWA.
Nope, this is not an incentive either because unless we use a WSSRC approved timing system (and observer) I would imagine there can be no inclusion in the world rankings (and of course no 'official' national records set).

Let me stress that I am not against the concept at all. I am just trying to find some reasons to make the extra effort to run a ISWA sanctioned event.

For me, the big incentive may come when we can have a practical and inexpensive GPS timing system that satisfies the WSSRC requirements and may also attract some of the top international stars to make the journey with a chance at setting National, or even world records and improving their world rankings.

Any other ideas?

g627
7 posts
6 Feb 2008 7:03PM
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Hi all,

to clarify some things again:

- no fee for making it an official, ISWC sanctioned national championship, neither for the organisation nor for the individuals
- In fact it is a nice add on to an event, giving probably more credibility...
- all sailors will be included in the ISWC world ranking, as well as the sailors taking part in worlds, continentals and other national championships
- of course for national records the WSSRC rules still apply

Feel free to come back with more questions :)

Cheers,
Markus

kato
VIC, 3507 posts
6 Feb 2008 9:47PM
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"- of course for national records the WSSRC rules still apply"
This is the reason most of us don,t bother with ISWC races and enjoy the freedom that the GPS systems offer. As to the statement "giving more credibility" to an event,how much more cred do we want when all our times/tracks and results are up there for all to see.Lets keep the comps fun and accessable to all We do know who the best are.

hardie
WA, 4129 posts
6 Feb 2008 7:54PM
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kato said...
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We do know who the best are.



Stop kato you're embarrassing me



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