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Created by jp747 > 9 months ago, 13 Feb 2008
ka43
NSW, 3091 posts
19 Feb 2008 5:31PM
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Lots of guys I sail with tie a piece of old bright rope around one or two foot straps, cant miss that.
Me, Ive just got into the habit of undoing vent as I pack up and doing it up as I insert fin like Choco.

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
19 Feb 2008 5:50PM
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Me too. Board out of bag,.. do up screw. or conversley,.. wait for it,.....
undo screw,... put board in bag.
Hasnt failed yet.

Richiefish
QLD, 5610 posts
19 Feb 2008 7:07PM
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I never used to do it. But now that I've read this thread. I do it !!! I'm also considering the vent plug issue.....

easty
TAS, 2213 posts
19 Feb 2008 10:14PM
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I never touch mine, but maybe down here in Tassie it isn't as important. After all, most of the time the board actually warms up once it's in the water. Well, in winter anyway.

monster
TAS, 495 posts
19 Feb 2008 10:31PM
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hows the weather were you are easty your susposed to be in for a week of rough weather , had a fantastic sail today what you get up to bazz

jp747
1553 posts
19 Feb 2008 8:42PM
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i finally got myself to take off vent plug since a year ago..then i said to myself nah return before i forget to put it back which surely i know myself i would..having to take off the board bag in a rigging frenzy is one step i'd like not to do but i've seen board fly off twice thrice fly off the racks since long ago that was worth doingif i said in previous reply i have sailed once,twice,three times with fin cover on i wonder what could happen with a teeny plug

monster
TAS, 495 posts
19 Feb 2008 10:51PM
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jp747 said...

i finally got myself to take off vent plug since a year ago..then i said to myself nah return before i forget to put it back which surely i know myself i would..having to take off the board bag in a rigging frenzy is one step i'd like not to do but i've seen board fly off twice thrice fly off the racks since long ago that was worth doingif i said in previous reply i have sailed once,twice,three times with fin cover on i wonder what could happen with a teeny plug


i tried to sail my board once with the fin cover on , they dont like it and you have to take back in all while your trying to get a sail in before wind drops

jp747
1553 posts
19 Feb 2008 9:17PM
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monster said...

jp747 said...

i finally got myself to take off vent plug since a year ago..then i said to myself nah return before i forget to put it back which surely i know myself i would..having to take off the board bag in a rigging frenzy is one step i'd like not to do but i've seen board fly off twice thrice fly off the racks since long ago that was worth doingif i said in previous reply i have sailed once,twice,three times with fin cover on i wonder what could happen with a teeny plug


i tried to sail my board once with the fin cover on , they dont like it and you have to take back in all while your trying to get a sail in before wind drops


i did this once monster sail with fin cover on unintentionally and since tide was a bit low and had trudged almost 200 meters i decided after feeling the drag to take off fin cover and tuck it in waist harness..i wasn't in the mood to trudge back again just to return a cover

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
20 Feb 2008 6:20PM
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You can get all your supplies and vent/bung questions answered here:



Why not buy a franchise?

Arlo
SA, 139 posts
20 Feb 2008 7:44PM
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Given the view that a one way valve would be OK as it is only expansion that causes damage, is there likely to be any merit in screwing the vent plug in after letting it get as hot as you dare (e.g. leaving it in a car on a stinking hot day) as it would remove the need to undo it again unless it was likely to be subjected to higher temperatures or going on a plane?

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
20 Feb 2008 6:19PM
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Arlo said...

Given the view that a one way valve would be OK as it is only expansion that causes damage, is there likely to be any merit in screwing the vent plug in after letting it get as hot as you dare (e.g. leaving it in a car on a stinking hot day) as it would remove the need to undo it again unless it was likely to be subjected to higher temperatures or going on a plane?


The problem with that is if the board is sealed when it is hot and then the board hits the water it will cool thus creating a lower pressure inside the board, if there is not a proper seal at the vent plug water will then be sucked into the board.

Cruiser1755
QLD, 235 posts
20 Feb 2008 7:38PM
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I guess all o rings are not created equal so which ones and where do I get them?

jp747
1553 posts
20 Feb 2008 8:17PM
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elmo said...

Arlo said...

Given the view that a one way valve would be OK as it is only expansion that causes damage, is there likely to be any merit in screwing the vent plug in after letting it get as hot as you dare (e.g. leaving it in a car on a stinking hot day) as it would remove the need to undo it again unless it was likely to be subjected to higher temperatures or going on a plane?


The problem with that is if the board is sealed when it is hot and then the board hits the water it will cool thus creating a lower pressure inside the board, if there is not a proper seal at the vent plug water will then be sucked into the board.


so in effect elmo it's just ok to leave the plug as long as it has a proper seal since even on a hot day it'll cool off in the water?unless really extreme temps..

OceanBlue64
VIC, 980 posts
20 Feb 2008 10:26PM
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jp747 said...

elmo said...

Arlo said...

Given the view that a one way valve would be OK as it is only expansion that causes damage, is there likely to be any merit in screwing the vent plug in after letting it get as hot as you dare (e.g. leaving it in a car on a stinking hot day) as it would remove the need to undo it again unless it was likely to be subjected to higher temperatures or going on a plane?


The problem with that is if the board is sealed when it is hot and then the board hits the water it will cool thus creating a lower pressure inside the board, if there is not a proper seal at the vent plug water will then be sucked into the board.



so in effect elmo it's just ok to leave the plug as long as it has a proper seal since even on a hot day it'll cool off in the water?unless really extreme temps..


It then comes back to the original problem that as the trapped air inside the board expands due to the heat, it can delaminate the board.

jp747
1553 posts
20 Feb 2008 8:45PM
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it could ob64? i thought only water could delam a board and if it was carbon wrapped i was told the chances of a delam is nil..is there truth to this

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
20 Feb 2008 8:54PM
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Who has a spare pressure gauge lying around?

I'd like to try the following experiment:
Start with a 2 litre soft drink bottle. Drill a hole in the lid, and install the pressure gauge. Pop a normal thermometer inside. Screw the lid on tight when the bottle is at roughly 20 degrees.

Now pop it into the oven on a low heat so that the temperature in the bottle gets up to around 50 degrees.
Read the pressure.

Let the bottle cool, put 20 mL of water into the bottle, and repeat the experiment.


I would love to see the result!

OceanBlue64
VIC, 980 posts
20 Feb 2008 11:04PM
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You only have to leave a sealed plastic drink bottle out in the sun to see what effect it has. Magnify that when left in a hot sealed car.

Not sure I wanna take the risk with my board.

Ian K
WA, 4155 posts
20 Feb 2008 9:43PM
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Just googled the vapour pressure of water at 50 degrees C - On the fuzzy little wikipedia graph it looks like the vapour pressure is 120 hectopascals more at 50 degrees than it is at 20 degrees. The heated dry air component puts on about 100 hectopascals from 20 to 50 degrees C. Is it Dalton's law that says partial pressures are additive? I think so. That means a heated wet board puts on about twice as much pressure as a dry board.

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
20 Feb 2008 10:18PM
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Just to keep it simple.

The vent plug is there for a reason.

If manufacturers didn't have to put them in they wouldn't as it costs money to do so.

Do them up before a session

Undo them after a session.

Check the "O"ring regularly for wear and clean the recess where it sits.


If you want to leave the plug done up, don't complain if the board fails.

If you don't want to do up the plug, don't complain when your board weighs more than you do.

If you don't want a bung plug, either buy a plastic jacketed board or a Carbon Art board(or similar) which uses the Gore Style vent.



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