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Created by Jamesy > 9 months ago, 27 Mar 2009
timford
NSW, 510 posts
2 Apr 2009 11:07AM
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I have skim read this thread it seems to have changed tack somewhat however I think that there is two very simple factors that dictate the popularity/lack their of our sport - cost and difficulty!
I have started this sport in the last 18 months and love it, totally hooked.
But dam its expensive and it’s not easy at all, in fact it’s pretty hard to learn in a comparable time to learning to sail, ride a bike, scuba, play footy (any code), hockey, softball .... blah blah
I have sailed all my life on boats and in 18 months am only onto a 92 l board and gybing.
I get on the water when I can and have the luxury of a job and great wife who also enjoys the water with no kids so I can get out often. However if you don’t have that luxury I think it would be a mission to get the required TOW and $ to buy all the kit.

Just my 2c worth.

hangingfor some wind to crack 30 knots, .3 off!

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
2 Apr 2009 11:15AM
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Did you know that at the olympic selection vote for the board for london 1012 australia was the only country to vote for the FWOD

echunda
VIC, 764 posts
2 Apr 2009 11:47AM
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As a beginner boarder I’ve found it very difficult to find anyone who gives a **** people entering the sport. In my experience the primary source of information is the local store. To me they’ve only been interested in selling you expensive gear and giving little to no advise of how to use it or what you should be looking for. It’s pissed both myself and my girlfriend off, when we’re standing around a store for 15 minutes while all the staff are chatting to either kiters or numpties. I’ve walked out of the stores so many times after waiting around and not getting any service! When we do get service, they’re always trying to sell gear that is not required for a beginner on a limited budget.

For example, a fair while ago I walked into the local store, hung around for a while, then finally got service and was looking for a second hand mast. The salesman found one mast (with no price attached) and when he told me the price it was $50 cheaper than a new one!. When I told him of my situation (lack of funds from buying a starboard go) he told me I’d be lucky to find any second hand 430 masts and the price is because of this.

I walked into Island Boards at Phillip Island looking for a winter wetsuit, the salesman (I assume the owner) treated us well and he not only had a new wetsuit sale, but a set of booties as well. As the same time he gave us some great tip’s about windsurfing spots around the Island. This is why surfing is, and will always boom.

I understand that the stores main revenue is from kiters, but the service I’ve received from the stores is woefull and the only reason I’m still windsurfing is because I genuinely enjoy the sport!

I wonder how many people have walked away from the sport because of this?

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
2 Apr 2009 10:48AM
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windsufering said...

Did you know that at the olympic selection vote for the board for london 1012 australia was the only country to vote for the FWOD


i'm glad my vote made it through.

what did everyone else vote for?

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
2 Apr 2009 11:10AM
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WOD said...

Gestalt, you're right to point out that negative marketing isn't good. Sorry if some remarks have turned you off.

But to be fair, I think you may be reading more into some comments than was meant. None of us are depressed about windsurfing; surely it's optimistic to say that it's great, but it could be even better.

No one from "our side" is saying high-wind sailing is bad, just that it's not the only part of windsurfing. And to be honest, there's a lot of negative marketing that comes the other way (have you had anyone call your board "****" to your face lately? I had it a while ago) and sometimes we do react to that.



i guess it's the "our side" thing. what's the point.

i've had my formula board called a barge, a door, a dining table. made me laugh.
still sail OD, Formula, small board big board whatever board. it's all windsurfing and fun.

ka43
NSW, 3091 posts
2 Apr 2009 12:11PM
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Thats a bummer Echunda that you have had those experiences.
In this day and age I would like to think that the majority of shops go out of their way to give good service and advice. They would last long if they didnt. Small industry and word of mouth would do that.
In fact I would be very disappointed to find that a shop's employee's wouldnt take the time and effort to find out some information from the buyer and then find out what he/she wants to achieve and what their budget is.
We have just the one shop in Sydney and I know for a fact they would never act in the way you describe. Its quite the opposite, friendly advice and NO hard sell.
Im sure the shops in Vic and Melbourne dont see themselves like that so maybe be direct and ask the salesman for some help.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
2 Apr 2009 12:24PM
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i am glad the rsx made it through too and i did not vote why because i am not a member of the starboard ass of aust maybe those that race should vote OD racing is still the biggest fleet in aust

Chris249
357 posts
2 Apr 2009 9:57AM
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Gestalt said...

WOD said...

Gestalt, you're right to point out that negative marketing isn't good. Sorry if some remarks have turned you off.

But to be fair, I think you may be reading more into some comments than was meant. None of us are depressed about windsurfing; surely it's optimistic to say that it's great, but it could be even better.

No one from "our side" is saying high-wind sailing is bad, just that it's not the only part of windsurfing. And to be honest, there's a lot of negative marketing that comes the other way (have you had anyone call your board "****" to your face lately? I had it a while ago) and sometimes we do react to that.



i guess it's the "our side" thing. what's the point.

i've had my formula board called a barge, a door, a dining table. made me laugh.
still sail OD, Formula, small board big board whatever board. it's all windsurfing and fun.



The "our side" was just a reference to those of us who have a particular view on Jamesy's original question, which was "so what happened to it?? why is windsurfing such a small sport now??"

You're right, it is all windsurfing and fun, which is why some us have been careful to say things like "if there was a few more knots of wind - the modern board and their riders would have been running circles around the old Wal... and feeling much better too!.....None of this is saying that high wind sailing isn't fantastic.......wave sailing was far more exciting, and way cooler I thought....Modern gear's great in many ways."

You can't say that's not positive towards high-wind sailing and windsurfing as a whole; maybe more positive than those who say "the boom was just a fad, get used to it".

There are a couple of guys who are always very negative; the rest of us apologise for them!



echunda
VIC, 764 posts
2 Apr 2009 1:34PM
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ka43 said...

Its quite the opposite, friendly advice and NO hard sell.
Im sure the shops in Vic and Melbourne dont see themselves like that so maybe be direct and ask the salesman for some help.


I'm not one to beat about the bush, every question I asked was around gear selection and I never had a response that I thought either friendly or helpful.

My local board store can't even recomend a sail size or when asked what type of sail I should buy, the response was - "what type of sailing are you intending to do?" Fark knows I'm a beginner!

I have recomended the sport to my friends, but I've warned them about the crappy service from the stores.

On the opposite, every windsurfer I've met have been great people who are willing to assist any way they can.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
3 Apr 2009 11:58PM
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Timford said...
"But dam its expensive and it’s not easy at all"

The sport always was difficult, but it was even more difficult on the old 80s planks, when it was so popular. So my guess is that easiness cannot be a factor for the current slide.

Cost cannot be the reason either: new planks in Australia used to sell for $1000 of then-money, yet selling like hot cakes then.

Sport being expensive: different sailors spend differently, plus there are cheap 2-3yo boards. Money spent is more like a choice, no?

Of course you're right that our sport is inherently difficult (first gybes, then fancier ones, take years). But that was always the case.

And then echunda wrote...
"I’ve found it very difficult to find anyone who gives a **** people entering the sport (...) shops have only been interested in selling you expensive gear (...) they’re always trying to sell gear that is not required for a beginner on a limited budget."

My experience too. The current crop does not spend time teaching other people. And shops are only interested in selling multiple gear (or worse, to kiters).

I tried 5-6 shops (yank country mind you) playing a newbie, and all the same: "kiting is the in thing now" and "you need multiple gear to perform". I wonder why newbies find the sport expensive if they're sold upfront 2 boards and 4 sails which they won't be able to master for a long time...

And then gee, like Gestalt totally went...
"still sail OD, Formula, small board big board whatever board. it's all windsurfing and fun"

There ya go mate! Chuck in freestyle and social sailing too!

Plus the positive side to all this: all those people leaving the sport gives me inexpensive 1-2yo gear in amazingly good condition !

Hausey
NSW, 325 posts
4 Apr 2009 12:15AM
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I'm not one to beat about the bush, every question I asked was around gear selection and I never had a response that I thought either friendly or helpful.

My local board store can't even recomend a sail size or when asked what type of sail I should buy, the response was - "what type of sailing are you intending to do?" Fark knows I'm a beginner!

I have recomended the sport to my friends, but I've warned them about the crappy service from the stores.

On the opposite, every windsurfer I've met have been great people who are willing to assist any way they can.



Maybe it's a personal hygiene thing mate - you might have had bad breathe or body odour on the day if the staff avoided you like the plague?

"what type of sailing are you intending to do?" is a perfectly good question to ask ....

you reply "Fark knows I'm a beginner!

And they might say "Well do you want to go out on a dam or in the ocean" do you like the idea of sailing around in puffs of breeze or waiting around for the cyclone?"

Too bad they missed out on a customer - heard there is a good shop in Sydney.

used2surf
WA, 47 posts
4 Apr 2009 12:24AM
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Its probably a bit like surf shops, theres a cirtain sort of cool to hang out in surf shops and be on first name terms with the workers so in essance they breed thier own sort of scene, and the only people that don't really want to be there are the guys behind the counter. Maybe a lot of them are just people who surf or sail and sort of ended up working there and they are not real sales people who we all know will fall over backwards to sell you a house or a car, but then again a car or house salesperson doesn't want to be out car-ing or housing but your average windsurf salesperson or surfer wants to be out sailing or surfing!!!!! Plus they probably aint on big commissions either, human nature I guess, the only option is to persist and become one of the favoured few who they want to talk to because they just saw you pull a Flacka on a start board! Only took me three years to understand what a Flacka was let alone contemplate the intracasies of the moves. Cheers keep it up Bob



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