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freestyle, the last bastion of windsurfing.

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Created by Gestalt > 9 months ago, 5 Jul 2010
Gestalt
QLD, 14670 posts
6 Jul 2010 12:03AM
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so the kites have the speed record,
they can smack the lip
and recently beat a formula board around a course

but they can't flaka!

SeanAUS120
QLD, 769 posts
6 Jul 2010 1:52AM
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When did they beat a formula board around a course?

Mrgob
116 posts
6 Jul 2010 1:32AM
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Well S.U.P. boards are currently outselling windsurfing boards according to some sources, and there are a dozen kiters to every windsurfer at many windy surf beaches, so we may soon be an endangered species!

It won't take the manufacturers long to jump ship if the trend continues so thank goodness freestyle is still a growth market.

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
6 Jul 2010 4:00AM
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Mrgob said...

Well S.U.P. boards are currently outselling windsurfing boards according to some sources, and there are a dozen kiters to every windsurfer at many windy surf beaches, so we may soon be an endangered species!

It won't take the manufacturers long to jump ship if the trend continues so thank goodness freestyle is still a growth market.


not it Australia mate! there are still just as many windsurfers there are kiters. And the reason the shops are selling so many sup boards, is because people take it up instead of windsurfing, cause they think windsurfing is to hard and you dont need wind to do it..

I know alot of guys who have returned to windsurfing after kiting for a while.. windsurfing will never be dead the shops will allways make money..

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
6 Jul 2010 5:22AM
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I don't believe freestyle is the last bastion - people are still having fun getting around. However freestyle is a new trend, at last (in thems parts anyways).

We now have a lot of people getting out in 13-15 knot range to practice moves for when the wind picks up. Great crowd, very fast improvement, always fun.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
6 Jul 2010 7:19AM
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We've been like the bleeding blue whale for a couple of decades here in Oz.
Kites really outnumbered us for a few years, but not so much again now.
The smaller physical size of a windsurfing rig might mean we need more wind, but also easier to manage in and around other beach and water users and I think that tells.
SUP is very popular here on the Gold Coast, and attracts people from all other disciplines.
SUP sales would dwarf windsurfing board sales here, I'm sure.
I don't think the manufacturers have so much jumped ship, as jumped on the bandwagon.


Mrgob said...

Well S.U.P. boards are currently outselling windsurfing boards according to some sources, and there are a dozen kiters to every windsurfer at many windy surf beaches, so we may soon be an endangered species!

It won't take the manufacturers long to jump ship if the trend continues so thank goodness freestyle is still a growth market.


Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
6 Jul 2010 10:18AM
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I'm thinking of buying a SUP, but not because it's 'trendy', but for the same reason I'm spending more time on the MB...lack of wind in these parts! The other obvious reason I'd get one is because I've never surfed, but I can stand on a buoyant board & paddle...plus apparently it has some fitness benefits.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
6 Jul 2010 10:28AM
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Yeah but kiting is not sailing.

I recommend a sailboat or a catamaran for sub 15 kts.

Gestalt
QLD, 14670 posts
6 Jul 2010 11:00AM
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there was a bit of tongue in cheek with this topic.

reality is i'm not worried about windsurfing disappearing. there's a lot of people in the world and windsurfings definitely growing again.

good on the kites beating a formula board, no easy feat!

but

freestyle is something you can do anywhere in any wind and kiting will never be able to do it. sweet!

choco
SA, 4175 posts
6 Jul 2010 11:39AM
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If the kiters in those races flew their kites at the same height as the windsurfers would they be faster or slower?

magnum68
19 posts
8 Jul 2010 8:44PM
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From the photos its evident wind was howling, so its no surprise kiters were faster than windsurfers on formulas and 9m sails. IMHO they should have gone out with slalom boards and 7.5m sails, a much faster outfit specially off the wind.

NotWal
QLD, 7430 posts
9 Jul 2010 7:07AM
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Where's Lotofwind?

As kiting trolls go he's less vulgar than most. Maybe he's giving us a break :)

Gorgo
VIC, 5101 posts
9 Jul 2010 1:58PM
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flipper4444 said...
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not it Australia mate! there are still just as many windsurfers there are kiters. ...


How do you figure that? If you drive from Port Melbourne to Frankston you might see 20-30 windsurfers. Just at St Kilda alone there would be more than 50 kiters and every beach along the way will have 5-10-20 kiters. Where are the big numbers of windsurfers?

I think the race results of kites vs sailboards are kind of meaningless. It all comes down to the sailors. Adam Koch was an olympic 49er sailor so that's why he is fast.

When you think about it, a sail is a sail whether it is on a pole or at the end of strings. A planing hull is a planing hull and fins are fins. You will be able to get all sorts of advantages and improvements for different configurations but in terms of order of magnitude they will be similar.

Kites have access to a much greater wind area and I guess a kite lets you carry a much bigger sail and do some control tricks. A sailboard can have a flatter, cleaner sail with no bridle or line drag and much more direct transfer of power. These are fiddling around the edge. They don't make such a difference that anyone should claim one craft is better at racing than another.

flipper4444
VIC, 1214 posts
9 Jul 2010 2:26PM
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Gorgo said...

flipper4444 said...
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not it Australia mate! there are still just as many windsurfers there are kiters. ...


How do you figure that? If you drive from Port Melbourne to Frankston you might see 20-30 windsurfers. Just at St Kilda alone there would be more than 50 kiters and every beach along the way will have 5-10-20 kiters. Where are the big numbers of windsurfers?



Flipper said.. St. kilda is not the only beach in melbourne dude. And the reason you see so many kiters at st kilda is beacuse the beach is better for kiteing than windsurfing..

So one day Gorgo do this trip, I have done it a number of times my freind.. Drive from st. kilda to metone in a summer seabreeze, and on the way drop in and have a look at Dawson st, next stop Dendy st, then Ricketts near the yacht club, and next stop mentone beach.. In a good SW seabreeze you will allways see stacks of windsurfers out. The beach at dawson st alone, you will see 30 windsurfers there on a real windy day, most days of the week.. You just cant see the windsurfers there cause the beach is off the main road..

Gorgo
VIC, 5101 posts
9 Jul 2010 2:47PM
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Fair enough. I haven't popped in to Dawson Ave in a southerly for ages. I'll give it a look next summer.

Ricketts always has more sailboards than kiters, especially in an Easterly, unless the wind is light.

Not so sure about the other beaches. I've never noticed large numbers of sailboards when I've been there.

Al Planet
TAS, 1548 posts
9 Jul 2010 3:42PM
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Gestalt said...

there was a bit of tongue in cheek with this topic.

reality is i'm not worried about windsurfing disappearing. there's a lot of people in the world and windsurfings definitely growing again.

good on the kites beating a formula board, no easy feat!

but

freestyle is something you can do anywhere in any wind and kiting will never be able to do it. sweet!


Freestyle looks like fun, a simplicity of intent even though the moves are ridiculously difficult, (difficult is a subjective idea) I haven't learned any new moves for years (just honing the old ones).

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
9 Jul 2010 8:56PM
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Actually always thought the difficulty of a move is objective: the more people that can perform a trick, the easier it must be.
I don't know about now, but in the old Windsurfing freestyle comps, moves were rated in 4 categories of difficulty, based on how many or few people could do it.

Having said that, freestyle at any level is just pure fun. Succeeding at something after 300-400 tries: nothing like it.

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
9 Jul 2010 9:17PM
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Sailhack said...

I'm thinking of buying a SUP, but not because it's 'trendy', but for the same reason I'm spending more time on the MB...lack of wind in these parts! The other obvious reason I'd get one is because I've never surfed, but I can stand on a buoyant board & paddle...plus apparently it has some fitness benefits.


I've ben using a borrowed SUP recently. I didn't take me long to ditch the paddle and put a small wave sail on it. You can glide out through the surf and have fun riding in the smallest waves. So the SUP could be a nice progression towards windsurfing.

P.C_simpson
WA, 1492 posts
9 Jul 2010 7:29PM
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Gorgo said...

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Where are the big numbers of windsurfers?



In Western Australia, there are a Sh@t Load...

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
9 Jul 2010 10:28PM
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Waiting4wind said...

Sailhack said...

I'm thinking of buying a SUP, but not because it's 'trendy', but for the same reason I'm spending more time on the MB...lack of wind in these parts! The other obvious reason I'd get one is because I've never surfed, but I can stand on a buoyant board & paddle...plus apparently it has some fitness benefits.


I've ben using a borrowed SUP recently. I didn't take me long to ditch the paddle and put a small wave sail on it. You can glide out through the surf and have fun riding in the smallest waves. So the SUP could be a nice progression towards windsurfing.


Yeah,

whats the point of paddling when there is a bit of a breeze? I've seen people paddling when its blowing. Seems like hard work. Get the sail to do the work for you.

Freestyle is fun. I used to have a book on freestyle moves. Old school stuff on a windsurfer original. I'd like to get into it again but none of that ankle breaking stuff.


Gestalt
QLD, 14670 posts
9 Jul 2010 11:17PM
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yeah, i can't do much either. but watvhing the good guys as soon as the wind drops they start doing all of the old school sail tricks.

when it picks up again they start doing loops and slidey flicky spinny stuff.

lungs
QLD, 492 posts
10 Jul 2010 12:46AM
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kiting is easy my 4 year olds can fly a kite, thats why they are increasing in numbers windsurfing is too hard for them, they can only dream of joining our elite club[}:)] sorry to all the friendly kiters at queens



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