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freestyle board any good to learn to gybe on

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Created by gofaster > 9 months ago, 4 May 2016
gofaster
105 posts
4 May 2016 5:01AM
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Would a 2005 fanatic skate 100litre freestyle board be any good to learn to gybe on?, given the person can actually sail quite well in 25knots, just can't gybe. (good at water starting!) or a 2008 tabou 3s. Both going cheap....The problem of learning and sailing at an estuary from one bank to the other....

jirvin4505
QLD, 1087 posts
4 May 2016 8:18AM
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What board are they using now?

What weight? What average winds?

A little more detail

gofaster
105 posts
4 May 2016 6:59AM
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Friend thinking about returning to windsurfing after 20 years?layoff Has a tiga 270 from the early90s? narrow 51cm? with thick rails, and sails from that era too. He won't go out in light winds as needs wind to waterstart - can sail in 30+Kn, but never gybes - just organises a fall in with the sail the right side then pops up with a waterstart! Unique.
He likes the idea of getting back into it but is put off by not being able to gybe and won't I think invest in new gear if he can't get that sorted, or at least be sure that its got easier to learn.

Wind here is usually over 20 knots. My sail is 5.4

Faff
VIC, 1372 posts
4 May 2016 9:26AM
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Modern wider boards should be easier to uphaul.

clarence
TAS, 979 posts
4 May 2016 9:53AM
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I have a fanatic skate 110L of a similar vintage. I am 78kg. I think this board would be as easy to learn to gybe on as anything- far easier than the tiga I reckon.

I can uphaul and tack the skate easily too.

Clarence

Magic Ride
719 posts
4 May 2016 9:53AM
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Hi gofaster,

I remember when I learned to gybe, I tried and tried to learn on my Bic Techno 135 liter board and was unsuccessful. To this day, I don't believe that board was a good board to learn gybes on. Anyway I did some research on boards and saw that this Naish Titan 110 liter board was for sale used at a good price. Built in 2003, and had a great write-up on the board as well as a being a gybing friendly board. I bought the board and man oh man could I start learning the gybe. Every attempt was better and better. That Naish board was the perfect board for me at the time to master my gybes. Some boards just have better shaped rails and better volume distributed under the footstrap area to allow for a better gybing recovery when the board slows down through the gybe than other boards. But I would make sure your board is super gybing friendly before you attempt to learn the gybe. You will progress so much faster and less frustration throughout the process. Good luck!!

Shifu
QLD, 1992 posts
4 May 2016 12:31PM
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Get an FSW type board. Freestyle boards are built for freestyle and will limit him everywhere else.

Haggar
QLD, 1670 posts
4 May 2016 12:55PM
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Shifu said..
Get an FSW type board. Freestyle boards are built for freestyle and will limit him everywhere else.


+1 - swiss army knife of windsurfing and will gybe easy (edit the Tabou 3S is a FSW)

Mark _australia
WA, 23454 posts
4 May 2016 12:01PM
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Shifu said..
Get an FSW type board. Freestyle boards are built for freestyle and will limit him everywhere else.


Definitely. The 3S would be my pick by far.


gofaster
105 posts
4 May 2016 12:26PM
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ok thatnks for your comments.
By FSW you mean like Kode or something from Exocet like cross or x cross? We have some jp . I'm pretty confused with the categories. I've seen a kode 86 but not seen the exocets. Volume ? learner gyber 70kg would be ok on what volume? xcross 100l? or the Kode?

Big Al
WA, 265 posts
4 May 2016 12:58PM
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Tabou 3S is an outstanding board for all aspects of windsurfing. Just a straight up board that puts smile on the face of the owner.
A do anything board that gybes like its on rails - your mate will not be disappointed imo.

AB....

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8234 posts
4 May 2016 4:37PM
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gofaster said..
ok thatnks for your comments.
By FSW you mean like Kode or something from Exocet like cross or x cross? We have some jp . I'm pretty confused with the categories. I've seen a kode 86 but not seen the exocets. Volume ? learner gyber 70kg would be ok on what volume? xcross 100l? or the Kode?


I've got the earlier Xcross 115ltre.
It's a bit big for me in chop as I use it as my 5-15kt board but it's very forgiving re gybing. I remember once weighting the wrong edge halfway through the gybe and it still came out the otherside! My Tabou rocket would have tossed me off..

gofaster
105 posts
4 May 2016 3:48PM
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thanks very much for your comments. The Tabou is a tabou 3style 97 2008-2009 with a pretty hideous graphic on it, but is cheap. The xcross 100 is nearly 3x the cost, so I think I know what's going to happen...

Mort67
TAS, 423 posts
4 May 2016 9:38PM
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gofaster said..
.....He won't go out in light winds as needs wind to waterstart - can sail in 30+Kn, but never gybes - just organises a fall in with the sail the right side then pops up with a waterstart! Unique.


Not quite unique! That's a bad habit that also revived from the early nineties, never really mastered the gybe back then on a short board.
Still working on the gybes on my FSW 103L (Kode), success ratio is low but starting to get balance/weight a bit better to carve into turn rather than stalling half way through. Wind conditions have been a bit unkind to be able to get too much time on the water. I've found the Kode to be a real allrounder, can just uphaul at 80kgs. Can't blame the board for my lack of skill.

Mark _australia
WA, 23454 posts
4 May 2016 7:59PM
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gofaster said..
thanks very much for your comments. The Tabou is a tabou 3style 97 2008-2009 with a pretty hideous graphic on it, but is cheap. The xcross 100 is nearly 3x the cost, so I think I know what's going to happen...


No insult but does he know what he is looking for? too cheap can mean delam, water inside, who knows......

FSW is freestyle wave. Really it means an easy to gybe freeride. And freeride is easy to gybe slalom/race

Piv
WA, 372 posts
4 May 2016 9:23PM
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Just as important as the board is learning the right technique and youtube is a big help. Go into it and dont be shy. Gybes are way more likely to come unstuck if you are timid. Really bear away with lots of foot steering. Flip the sail as late as possible. Have a look at bjorn dunkerbeck videos and guy cribbs tips.

Magic Ride
719 posts
5 May 2016 1:18AM
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I agree with PIV, bear off on a broad reach before you even begin the gybe and you are already halfway through your turn at that point with plenty of speed. Keep that sail sheeted in, carve the board, flip the sail and you're done.

boardsurfr
WA, 2454 posts
5 May 2016 9:56AM
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gofaster said..

Wind here is usually over 20 knots. My sail is 5.4


3S from the last years jibe beautifully. Skates jibe even better - the regular version, that is, the team edition has been to oriented towards extreme moves for at least one year. But for more than 20 knots, I'd take a 3S over an older 100 l Skate.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8234 posts
5 May 2016 2:31PM
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Piv said..
Just as important as the board is learning the right technique and youtube is a big help. Go into it and dont be shy. Gybes are way more likely to come unstuck if you are timid. Really bear away with lots of foot steering. Flip the sail as late as possible. Have a look at bjorn dunkerbeck videos and guy cribbs tips.


I'd think flip sooner than later..

gofaster
105 posts
5 May 2016 4:35PM
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Ok we went for the 3s
Now we have the choice of sails simmer mission X 5.6 brand new year?, simmer crossover 5.3 2011,naish force 5.3 2013, and all about the same price. i don't know about any of these . Is it the right idea to look for a wave type sail?

Faff
VIC, 1372 posts
5 May 2016 8:09PM
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gofaster said...
Ok we went for the 3s
Now we have the choice of sails simmer mission X 5.6 brand new year?, simmer crossover 5.3 2011,naish force 5.3 2013, and all about the same price. i don't know about any of these . Is it the right idea to look for a wave type sail?

The sail should be compatible with the mast. If you get a wave sail, make sure it's a power wave. A pure wave 3 or 4 batten will cause nothing but frustration.



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