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Created by dism > 9 months ago, 24 Oct 2009
dism
NSW, 660 posts
24 Oct 2009 9:03PM
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In 85L-odd range, for coastal allrounder.

Which would you choose/why?

Starboard Evo

JP Real World Wave

JP Freestyle Wave

Cheers

stehsegler
WA, 3543 posts
24 Oct 2009 8:15PM
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these are three very different boards:

JP FSW: Really fast and great all rounder! Not a good wave board compared to the others though.

JP RWW: This is the wave oriented brother of the JP FSW: I planes as early as the FSW but sacrifices some speed in favour of working better in waves.

Evo: I know people that swear by the boards in the 70 liter range. But then again I know off people that say they work really well in the 70 liter range but not so well in the bigger sizes. I have had used the Evos but have to say I prefer the feel of the two JP boards. That said, JP could take a look at how Starboard equips it's boards. The footstrap system on the Starboards ****s all over what JP uses in my opinion.

The stock fins that come with either board are a compromise in my opinion and you'd do better replacing it with a high performance fin.

Mark _australia
WA, 23450 posts
24 Oct 2009 8:47PM
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I agree they are waaayyy different board.

The EVO is pure wave. Not good for B&J they don't like lots of chop and are always hunting when you try to sail them straight.

I can't comment on the JP RWW.

For coastal allrounder, if you are not purely wavesailing nice cross shore conditions, and some of it will be B&J sailing, you should really be looking for a FSW.
The JP FSW's are more freeridy and less wavey than most. Any reason you are looking for JP? The RRD FSW's usually rate a lot higher in mag tests as they are more of a fast planing waveboard and the JP's are a loose-ish freeride. There's a difference

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
24 Oct 2009 11:00PM
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Deano, you think too much! when you can nail and plane out off 8/10 gybes on the kombat then think about getting a pure wave board, keep the kombat for freeriding/light wind board, Your gonna have 25knts when you want to wave sail so you need 75-80 litre max, others might even say under 75 for your weight. You don't want a smaller version of what you already have if you want to play in the waves. Bite the bullet and go all out wave board.
Hope you've been hitting it hard in those seabreezes.

dism
NSW, 660 posts
25 Oct 2009 12:27AM
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Your right Jeff, just haven't had chance to ride a wave board around here yet

Lovin the seabreezes, getting out at every spare windy arvo I can, you really missed the right season here

Had the kombat blowing off my feet the other day

Any suggestions for what sorta board then? All out wave board as in RRW etc?

Want to make it easier to progress (questions for ease more then high end performance I spose)

Getting any sailin in up north?
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Mark and Stehsegler, cheers for the comments on the boards, appreciated as I haven't had a chance to ride a board under 105L yet (but know I need to loose some volume)!

Mark _australia
WA, 23450 posts
24 Oct 2009 10:05PM
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I didn't realise you were on a Kombat...... with a smaller than standard fin and inboard staps really it is a FSW.

You should really jump on a 85 - 90L FSW or RWW/EVO one day and have a go, see what you like.

If you will sail most of the time in proper waves say waist hi or better and cross shore winds, maybe go straight to something like a RWW or Evo.
If half your sailing will be B&J, go a FSW.

If going the FSW path I can seriously recommend the RRDs

stehsegler
WA, 3543 posts
25 Oct 2009 7:23AM
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Mark _australia said...

I didn't realise you were on a Kombat...... with a smaller than standard fin and inboard staps really it is a FSW.


just not a JP... hate to say it but as far as top end speed is concerned the 84 JP FSW in a pro edition smokes the Kombat... then when it comes to throwing a jibe again the JP won't disappoint.

Not sure if it is because I have had so many JP FSW but I know quite a few people that rate them very highly...

Dism, my recommendation would be to go and try a few different boards in different sizes to see what you are comfortable with. Are you in NSW or WA?

Also, my recommendation would be that if you can't try a board before you buy don't do it. I have done that last season with a light wind wave board that everyone was raving about... Now I am trying to off load it because it's just not the right board for me...

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
25 Oct 2009 1:15PM
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The way i see it Deano is, unless you are moving location, you will be sailing at beach/wave conditions majority of the time, with the 105 kombat it will cover light wind conditions and for those trips away B&J. If it was me still in C.H. I would be looking at at pure wave board, preferably one that planes reasonably early so you can still B&J out the back until you get the guts to throw it in the waves. Around 75-80l, don't underestimate yourself, or you will be looking at upgrading again in 12 mnths. You will soon bring yourself to the standard for the board.
But then again just get a job up here and get a FSW, problem fixed, Its been rockin latley.

Roar
NSW, 471 posts
25 Oct 2009 5:30PM
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I picked up a 84 fsw a few weeks back - works nice in strong winds and choppy conditions.

If ya sail round botany area in nsw id be happy to let you demo it :)

dism
NSW, 660 posts
27 Oct 2009 8:05PM
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Yeah Jeff, agree with that reasoning.

Was sketchy over the fact that i've heard waveboards (esp JP RWW) are bouncy in chop, but then again in nuking conditions I guess a FSW long planing flat will accelerate me way past control anyway (cartwheel...)...

Think I will look for a "pure wave board, preferably one that planes reasonably early".

Anyone got one? What sorta boards fit this description (guessing this means fast-tail wave board)?

Geez ya have some good wind stats up there!
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Roar - cheers for the demo offer, but i'm half way between you and Bris!

mark Aus - yeah 105 Kombat, with inboard straps, need a smaller fin but

Will be getting into the smaller cross-on waist high waves straight away, once have turns down well then will look at shoulder sized (and hopefully find down-the-line). Starting to mind sail down-the-line! Now just need the skills and easy waves!

Stehsegler - in NSW (Coffs), thats why so keen to get into waves, after seeing Flattop/Woopi wavecomp recently

Good idea about tryin before buying, but around here not really able too. Besides my skills are only beginning, so what I think now, wont be what I think once I persist with a decent board (and spose most are).


So after all that, thanks all for the tips..

NEED TO FIND: "pure wave board, preferably one that planes reasonably early".

Any tips on which boards fit this?

swoosh
QLD, 1928 posts
27 Oct 2009 7:21PM
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Fanatic NewWave... probably the fastest and earliest planing of the pure wave boards.

http://www.boardseekermag.com/windsurfing-equipment-tests/fanatic-newwave-75-2009.html

I got a 75L and get it going in 5.3 weather earlier then my mate on his 95L maui project with the same size sails up. He has got about 5kgs on me thou. I'll be back in yamba for a few days over summer, so if its windy and i make my way to flat-top you are welcome to have a go on it.



Mark _australia
WA, 23450 posts
27 Oct 2009 5:51PM
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Or if you don't have quite as much coin avail, RRD Wave Cult 06 - 08 models.

They are the shizit

dism
NSW, 660 posts
27 Oct 2009 8:59PM
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Oh yeah, as Mark-Aus said looking at boards roughly in the '06-'08 age/price range.

Swoosh - cheers, will take you up on that. But hopefully will have a board soon to be able to sail with you there!

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
27 Oct 2009 8:01PM
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Deano you should have that 26 drake with the Kombat, Give it a go in the surf, I used it a lot and the board is really lose and spun out pretty easily, I was probably a bit heavy and to much sail but your weight and sail around 4.5-5 should go well. Good wind coming here, having friday off.

dism
NSW, 660 posts
27 Oct 2009 9:14PM
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Jeff been using that fin alot lately, its even been windy enough to get the board airborn in small surf (with no jumpin skill - as you know) just from sheer speed onto ramps. Then the Kombat is blowing all over the place in the air.

Think I need to set the fin a bit more forward too

Have fun on Fri, arvos after work are good here. Even Southerlies in SWRocks have been had on weekend. Crazy southerlies in the Harbour too. Awaiting NE again once this front sorts itself out and gives seabreezes back.

Cant wait for next day on the water and a nice 2nd hand board!

windtechno
VIC, 372 posts
27 Oct 2009 9:27PM
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EVO NO QUSTIONS ASKED. THEY ROCK

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
27 Oct 2009 9:01PM
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Keep practising the jumps, soon you will get control of the board instead of it controlling you, one day soon you will pull off a floater and you will not realise what you have done till you land , it'll just happen. That kombat is awsome in the air when you get it happening.

russh
SA, 3027 posts
28 Oct 2009 9:18AM
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Mark _australia said...

Or if you don't have quite as much coin avail, RRD Wave Cult 06 - 08 models.

They are the shizit


Got an 84 07 RRD wave cult planes early and it makes my 06 92 evo feel very pedestrian floats well and feels just as sweet on a wave. (avatar piccie is the one)

Mark _australia
WA, 23450 posts
28 Oct 2009 8:59AM
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russh said...

Mark _australia said...

Or if you don't have quite as much coin avail, RRD Wave Cult 06 - 08 models.

They are the shizit


Got an 84 07 RRD wave cult planes early and it makes my 06 92 evo feel very pedestrian floats well and feels just as sweet on a wave. (avatar piccie is the one)




Yes I know. Obviously the red thumb to my post was from somebody who has not sailed either.


Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
28 Oct 2009 12:16PM
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IMO - The kode's are a pretty sick option . . reviews have been full of praise - some mags even saying they have got the others matched or beat in every department.

I have Ridden The Kode 80 and 94 - and they are both FANTASTIC boards - these boards are so fast that your rig lightens up as the apaprent wind does its trick - but they deliver awesome rail lock carves - that translate from gybes to bottom turns to bucket launching wave face slashes.

Because they plane up so early - yet have excellent top end control - Get the right one for your size and conditions and you can run a 1 board quiver.

stehsegler
WA, 3543 posts
28 Oct 2009 3:39PM
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Reflex Films said...

IMO - The kode's are a pretty sick option . . reviews have been full of praise - some mags even saying they have got the others matched or beat in every department.

I have Ridden The Kode 80 and 94 - and they are both FANTASTIC boards - these boards are so fast that your rig lightens up as the apaprent wind does its trick - but they deliver awesome rail lock carves - that translate from gybes to bottom turns to bucket launching wave face slashes.

Because they plane up so early - yet have excellent top end control - Get the right one for your size and conditions and you can run a 1 board quiver.




Don't forget to mention that you are actually doing work for Starboard...

Fast Eddy
NSW, 174 posts
28 Oct 2009 9:20PM
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Evo for the east coast, great option, I am still in love with my 75 2007 Evo.

You won't be disappointed



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