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Yet another condensed board build

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Created by Imax1 > 9 months ago, 13 Aug 2021
Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
13 Aug 2021 3:38PM
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200 litres ,84 wide , 289 long .
Hopefully an improved light wind planer for heavy me .


13kg eps front half , 19kg eps back half.


3mm core on.



Glassed with peel ply squeegeed over the top.





Need wind.

olskool
QLD, 2459 posts
13 Aug 2021 4:10PM
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The Neu one.. NICE. How did you join the two different density eps? Scarf join?

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
13 Aug 2021 5:23PM
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Scarf join , yeah , similar , PVA glue .
Your probably wondering why I build my boards sideways , its cos I need a challenge . Its great having a revolving garage . Freaks the dog out .

olskool
QLD, 2459 posts
13 Aug 2021 5:54PM
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Very interesting.....

515
866 posts
13 Aug 2021 4:48PM
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Thank you for sharing and great to see the quick build thread after seeing a teaser on 'sugar/sesame/crushed walnut thread'

Bit of length to build speed before planning and masttrack and strap location looking for good reach topend

Please follow up with brief review
Ps bit cold for windsurfing Auckland( unless you really keen for extra gusty wind, use the seasons for snowboarding next week ???????

Manuel7
1318 posts
13 Aug 2021 6:29PM
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How do you shape the foam?

Mark _australia
WA, 23448 posts
13 Aug 2021 6:36PM
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I wanna know where are u getting that 10mm (?) EVA

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
13 Aug 2021 8:39PM
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I use a very thin finished size stringer for the rocker and thickness . Planer down to stringer .
A template for the outside . Sandpaper covered boards for bottom and concaves , then planer for top and rails. Lots of sanding.

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
13 Aug 2021 8:52PM
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Mark _australia said..
I wanna know where are u getting that 10mm (?) EVA





Its a secret
I make my own .
Its the normal 6mm diamond cut stuff which I glue to a 5mm lower density foam I get from Clark rubber . It only comes in blue. I cut it with the Stanley knife at 45deg. Then with scissors trim the edge leaving a 1 to 2mm side .
Ps . The under foam is not eva and is weaker than eva . It tares a lot easier. Cheap .
It is closed cell and sticks well with contact glue .
Pps , it's called Artilon ,$ 27 per m , 2 m wide . It's a PE foam. They call it high density, it's not , it's very light.

Sandman1221
2776 posts
13 Aug 2021 11:17PM
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In the US, North Shore Inc. sells dual density EVA cut to size with or without adhesive backing, do not know if they ship worldwide.

Mark _australia
WA, 23448 posts
14 Aug 2021 12:36PM
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I make my own dual density same as above but if I could find thicker (8-10mm) cut diamond EVA I would use it.

Mark _australia
WA, 23448 posts
14 Aug 2021 12:39PM
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Manuel7 said..
How do you shape the foam?



Electric planer and / or Surform. Then shapers foam blocks with special rough "dots" sandpaper or sanding gauze, so it doesn't clog.
A autobody speedfile is very helpful too
Its easy with the right stuff but you could do a whole board with a Surform and a block with about 120grit

Manuel7
1318 posts
15 Aug 2021 6:27AM
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Thank you. Hand shaping at its best!

mob dog
NSW, 290 posts
15 Aug 2021 11:23AM
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what is the lay up on this one. just glass no d cell or carbon or anything? the colours look good, what's the bottom look like, photo? you got a mini board factory going there where do you store all these toys

mob dog
NSW, 290 posts
15 Aug 2021 11:26AM
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oh my bad I just saw you got 3mm core on there. does that go straight on the foam blank or glass first? Oh and I also wanted to ask you did you ever come up with a reason/cause for the spontaneous combustion incident?

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
15 Aug 2021 8:10PM
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Lay up is .
4 oz glass over blank top and bottom .
3 mm divinycell top and bottom .
2 x 4 oz glass on bottom .
Top 2x4 oz glass , one x 4 oz from in front of mast back, 2 x 4 oz under foot pad area , 2 x 4 oz under heels .
Extra 1 x12 oz and 1 x4 oz over mast track
6 oz patches over foot plugs and top and bottom of fin box .

Im sure the board explosion happened from re gassing of the expandable foam I used to glue sheets of foam together for the blank . ( three cans ). Do not ever do this ! As soon as I put it in the sun it puffed up like a puffer fish . If I knew this would happen , I should have let the blank roast in the sun before laminating it. After taking the top part off the board I left it sitting in the sun for a couple days before fixing it . All the gass is out of it now.
It was just a distant bad memory until you brought it up . If. I can just save one person from doing this , it is worth the pain .

IFocus
WA, 585 posts
16 Aug 2021 7:05AM
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Thanks for the build how hard and much did you work the peel ply.

Just tossing up if to bag or do what you did thinking likely not a lot of difference?

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
16 Aug 2021 10:20AM
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The peel ply didn't soak up much resin because I hand laminated quite hard . It did however leave a much smoother surface which hardly needed any filler .
If I had a vac system , I would definitely vac . I had to use a lot of thickened resin to stick the core down adding weight . A wet layer of resin is not enough to stick the core . Hand laminating as a guess would add around 20% in total weight . This 200 litre board is a smidge under 13 kg inc pads and foot straps . Same lay up bagged , probably 11 kg . Also bagging would stick all the layers together better .

IFocus
WA, 585 posts
16 Aug 2021 10:36AM
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Imax1 said..
The peel ply didn't soak up much resin because I hand laminated quite hard . It did however leave a much smoother surface which hardly needed any filler .
If I had a vac system , I would definitely vac . I had to use a lot of thickened resin to stick the core down adding weight . A wet layer of resin is not enough to stick the core . Hand laminating as a guess would add around 20% in total weight . This 200 litre board is a smidge under 13 kg inc pads and foot straps . Same lay up bagged , probably 11 kg . Also bagging would stick all the layers together better .



Cheers thanks for the info when did or could you remove the peel ply, when fully harden or before just thinking about a cut lap?

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
16 Aug 2021 1:55PM
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IFocus said..

Imax1 said..
The peel ply didn't soak up much resin because I hand laminated quite hard . It did however leave a much smoother surface which hardly needed any filler .
If I had a vac system , I would definitely vac . I had to use a lot of thickened resin to stick the core down adding weight . A wet layer of resin is not enough to stick the core . Hand laminating as a guess would add around 20% in total weight . This 200 litre board is a smidge under 13 kg inc pads and foot straps . Same lay up bagged , probably 11 kg . Also bagging would stick all the layers together better .




Cheers thanks for the info when did or could you remove the peel ply, when fully harden or before just thinking about a cut lap?


When hard the next day . I think it can be removed after it has properly gelled .

mob dog
NSW, 290 posts
16 Aug 2021 2:16PM
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Imax1 said..
Lay up is .
4 oz glass over blank top and bottom .
3 mm divinycell top and bottom .
2 x 4 oz glass on bottom .
Top 2x4 oz glass , one x 4 oz from in front of mast back, 2 x 4 oz under foot pad area , 2 x 4 oz under heels .
Extra 1 x12 oz and 1 x4 oz over mast track
6 oz patches over foot plugs and top and bottom of fin box .

Im sure the board explosion happened from re gassing of the expandable foam I used to glue sheets of foam together for the blank . ( three cans ). Do not ever do this ! As soon as I put it in the sun it puffed up like a puffer fish . If I knew this would happen , I should have let the blank roast in the sun before laminating it. After taking the top part off the board I left it sitting in the sun for a couple days before fixing it . All the gass is out of it now.
It was just a distant bad memory until you brought it up . If. I can just save one person from doing this , it is worth the pain .


Sorry for bringing it up mate, I know it brings back bad memories but you have to make mistake to be great and collective knowledge is a good thing. It will save future pain and suffering.



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