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Who has the right of way?

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Created by Gonewindsurfing247 > 9 months ago, 15 May 2008
Gonewindsurfing247
WA, 966 posts
15 May 2008 2:02PM
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silvec01
WA, 644 posts
15 May 2008 2:11PM
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I would say that the person heading out through the swell has right of way however number one rule is to avoid all collisions...

easty
TAS, 2213 posts
15 May 2008 4:11PM
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Windsurfer on starboard tack, plus heading out, so he has right-of-way twice (?)
Anyway, ouch!

knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
15 May 2008 4:28PM
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Clearly the windsurfer has Right of Way but an interesting social experiment would be to post that same video in the kite forum.

Go on, i dare ya.

poor relative
WA, 9105 posts
15 May 2008 2:39PM
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Is that a kiter, no bar no lines, looks like maybe a rouge surfer being towed?

As for right of way, well i guess its debatable. The guy on a wave or the windsurfer could both put logical arguments forward.

The best question is how could this have been avoided........ probably the bloke on the surfboard using his head. Clearly he is a twat.


EDIT....No its a kiter. why am i unsurprised

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
15 May 2008 4:48PM
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I thought whoever is on the wave has right of way. However from this video the surfer made no attempt to avoid a collision.

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
15 May 2008 4:48PM
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What a numbnuts...someone ought to slap that fool...

Hmm, here's an interesting question: What do you guys think of kiters?

lanky
QLD, 213 posts
15 May 2008 4:53PM
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if that is a surfer who has managed to ride a wave that far out he technically has right of way. If it's a kiter or a guy being towed then the windsurfer has right of way because he is on starboard tack. The wave rules only aply in waves though not on the swell out back!!!

Pugwash
WA, 7719 posts
15 May 2008 2:54PM
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Me!

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
15 May 2008 4:56PM
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Wet Willy said...

What a numbnuts...someone ought to slap that fool...

Hmm, here's an interesting question: What do you guys think of kiters?



They are just like us. Its like the old division between protestants and catholics. Demonise the other and know they are all going to hell.

What I don't like is smartarses who try and run you over in the carpark. I don't like them going on about how windsurfing sucks, especially in a windsurfing forum. Its a free country (to some extent) and you can think what you like. However I would not appreciate an uninvited athiest coming into my church and telling us to stop believing in imaginary friends. It should be the same here.






jp747
1553 posts
15 May 2008 4:08PM
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looks like 'numbnuts' and 'fools' have a definite right of way[}:)]

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
15 May 2008 6:09PM
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Having said that, I find a lot of windsurfers (between themselves) don't obey the ROW rule either. Including amongst experienced ones sometimes. They always want to take the uptack when meeting head on on a reach.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
15 May 2008 6:11PM
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Someone tell me - what are the rules?

I've only ever surfed in the surf, in which case whoever is on the wave (first) has right of way. I'm guessing this developed because you will get hurt if they hit you paddling out so get out of way, plus it really sucks to have to muck your line on the wave up to avoid someone. Of course if on the wave you are going to avoid hitting someone paddling out if really required.

So I'd assume that whoever is on the wave has right of way, except in exceptional or dangerous circumstances where common courtesy takes over.

That kiter is not on the wave, is on port tack so does not have right of way.

However... at 3 seconds it appears the windsurfer actually lines him up. He should have turned right/starboard/windward, or even just kept his line. Maybe there is more to it? Maybe it was just a bad, split second decision.

Anyway, he has excellent taste in sails so I hope the kiter was somehow hurt more, although it doesn't appear that way.

jp747
1553 posts
15 May 2008 4:26PM
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pierrec45 said...

Having said that, I find a lot of windsurfers (between themselves) don't obey the ROW rule either. Including amongst experienced ones sometimes. They always want to take the uptack when meeting head on on a reach.


i for one had a disastrous crash unto another windsurfer with him slicing thru my board he was on starboard..the facts though were downwind of me 2meters away was another sailor and i was sandwiched to the pt. i just had to hit the brakes instead rather than bear away so really ROW didn't apply here since the situation was hard to avoid...maybe!

dism
NSW, 660 posts
15 May 2008 7:09PM
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jp747 said...
i for one had a disastrous crash unto another windsurfer with him slicing thru my board he was on starboard..the facts though were downwind of me 2meters away was another sailor and i was sandwiched to the pt. i just had to hit the brakes instead rather than bear away so really ROW didn't apply here since the situation was hard to avoid...maybe!


Yeah Right of Way only applies when both parties have control of their sailcraft and have the ability to change course. Since you were (it seems) unable to alter course when on Port, then the Starboard rule doesn't apply.

And the 'avoiding collisions at all cost' always applies. Safety before rights

The kiteboarder was in the wrong (on port and not going out the back), but the windsurfer probably shoulda beared off or something.

WAIT, how can you bear off when their is kitelines downwind of the kiter? Maybe they aren't in the exact place needed but probably close to where he needs to bear off. I've never sailed near a kiter. Where whould you go here? Kites are stupid, taking up so much space, that could be a 40ft yacht there and make no difference!

Don't you love it (NOT!) how the kiteboarder does the 'illegal tackle' by putting his board up to KO the windsurfer? Thats like a knees up or elbow into a tackle in league, not cool in either situation.

Too expensive to be hitting eachother like that.

MintoxGT
WA, 975 posts
15 May 2008 5:25PM
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I still dont know who has right of way, I dont get how to tell what stabord nor port, all I do when heading towards some one is make sure I have plenty of time to not be in the way, I am average at best and enjoy a blast but I try my hardest not to get in the way, what I have found that at my local when I could get there, was the guys all have an understanding of how good we each are and they all make way with out trouble.

I know I should learn the ROW rule but faarrk me if it aint hard enough just having a good sail and trying to stay upright.

Please dont shoot me.

Cheers

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
15 May 2008 5:25PM
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Fkn kook kook koooooooookING kiterer is wave riding thus he should hv given right of way,,, by bottom turning around him,, and leting him pass . The Windsurfer was doing the right thing holding his line on the way out...... Plannng or not.

The windsufer did the right thing by holding his line.

Kook kitter went right in front of him..........tosser no idea

Lucky the kiter wasnt killed had the windsurf board gorn into his rib cage......

Mind you the windsurfer looks like he got sliced up by the fk strings and poxi snow ski razor rails of the board.

I would have been spewing and gorn straight to the beach..............

AND LET SOME AIR OUT........... [}:)]

I THINK I jUST LET SOME OUT THEN

silvec01
WA, 644 posts
15 May 2008 5:47PM
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ok here is what i understand it with windsurfers etc.

In Waves the Person heading out has right of way. if you are on a wave you have to give way to the people coming out if the situation comes down to it.


If two people are heading on a straight course in opposite direction
Starboard tack has right of way. ie right hand forward.


If two people are heading in the same direction
downwind has right of way,

If you change your course you immediately must give way.. ie a gybing sailor doesnt have right of way.

overtaking sailor must give way.


any objections???


hardpole
WA, 604 posts
15 May 2008 6:05PM
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silvec01 said...

ok here is what i understand it with windsurfers etc.

In Waves the Person heading out has right of way. if you are on a wave you have to give way to the people coming out if the situation comes down to it.


If two people are heading on a straight course in opposite direction
Starboard tack has right of way. ie right hand forward.


If two people are heading in the same direction
downwind has right of way,

If you change your course you immediately must give way.. ie a gybing sailor doesnt have right of way.

overtaking sailor must give way.


any objections???






I concur

hardpole
WA, 604 posts
15 May 2008 6:06PM
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If they were both boats then the rules should apply, but if one is a flying machine shouldn't it always give way to water craft. Sort of like power gives way to sail.

snides8
WA, 1731 posts
15 May 2008 6:14PM
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my 2 cents is its a classic port and starboard incident the sailboard was in the right and had no where to go, down wind included as the strings would of taken him out as well.
so called 'wave law' would have no bearing on the matter.

Mark _australia
WA, 23435 posts
15 May 2008 6:15PM
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silvec01 said...

ok here is what i understand it with windsurfers etc.

In Waves the Person heading out has right of way. if you are on a wave you have to give way to the people coming out if the situation comes down to it.



any objections???









Objections? Hell yes.

The going out has right of way rule is ONLY sometimes. It is designed because heading out at a cross off "riding oriented: spot can be hard: you may be grovelling and having mast hi hollow monsters coming at you. Therefore, guys heading out have right of way.

BUT if you are heading out and have an optimum jump.... (IE you're planing and heading for the steep section) ..... it does NOT give you the right to bvgger up somebody's wave ride.

That is Ho'okipa rules and makes sense to me.

The main gist of that rule is that going out have right of way but not to the detriment of sweet rides... it is a safety rule.

However, at a jumping oriented spot like lets say Pozo, especially where everybody is planing, we revert to sailing type rules

user
WA, 1140 posts
15 May 2008 6:23PM
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This right of way argument comes up constantly.

I think the general rule in the surf is to give way to those sailing out.

However,some say that rider on a wave has right of way.

The best thing is to not force what YOU believe to be the right of way, the other rider,windsurfer or kiter may have a different idea....or no idea !

The crash looks like a big misjudgement on both parts.

But seriously, the important thing is .......the windsurfer goes down in a screaming heap,while the kitesurfer comes out of that encounter still upright and planing !!!

Gonewindsurfing247
WA, 966 posts
15 May 2008 6:41PM
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Laurie has posted the same thread on the Kiting forum

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=37922

lancekenny
SA, 402 posts
15 May 2008 8:33PM
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being a surfer for more than 30 years, the person on or going for the wave has right of way - if this is a surf break, has a designated wave and he is attempting to catch or ride the wave.

Look at how the windsurfers handle the situation at Margaret River - they have it nailed and its a system that should be used everywhere.

now that I kite and understand what a kiter can see and also a windsurfer can see if these guys are competant it shouldnt be a question of who gives way as it should never get to that point. From what I can gather this is at the Nissan wavemaster which is a competition??? Which goes further to the point that these guys should have known better - or one or both of them therefore had no idea what they were doing and the other should have taken some form of evasive action???

decrepit
WA, 12762 posts
15 May 2008 7:04PM
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I agree 100% with Mark, unless it's hard or dangerous to get out, the guy going out does his best not to stuff up a good wave ride.

As far as right of way to riding a wave, there are 3 conflicting rules that operate at different spots, and it may have something to do with the amount of wind.

1/ first on the wave has right of way.
2/ first inline on the queue/stack has right of way.
3/ furthest inside has right of way.

This is all very confusing, and you'll find different opinions and practices were ever you go.

But at Margaret river the stack/queue method seems to be the one the locals use and expect others to follow.

snides8
WA, 1731 posts
15 May 2008 7:09PM
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ok here is another question who would be in the right if the matter went to court?
any lawyers out there?

WINDY MILLER
WA, 3183 posts
15 May 2008 7:10PM
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(most places in WA, especially lano)...when ur heading out,, bear off and take the deep channel route IF there is oncoming waverider traffic....don't be a show jumping pony or a wave sneak.........everyone will get on famously....wont happen though ha ha.

decrepit
WA, 12762 posts
15 May 2008 7:13PM
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And of course there is number 4 that I forgot about.

Top riders get right of way regardless, at least that's the way some top riders act when they come down here.

eyeMhardcor
255 posts
15 May 2008 7:17PM
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Windsurfer has right of way. Kiter should not be in surf as they cant ride waves

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
15 May 2008 8:15PM
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Gonewindsurfing247 said...





Who has the right of way ?
Ok-kayyy.....
Well,
just suppose we swap the poley in the clip for another kiter.
So now imagine the clip shows a kiter riding a 'wave' on a direct collision course with an outbound kiter.
So who has the right of way now.....?
The guy riding the wave of course.....
because the outbound kiter can easily chicken-gybe out of the fken way.
But poleys can't, won't, don't chicken-gybe to avoid any sh1t.
lol.



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