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What kind of board did you learn to carve gybe on?

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Created by K Dog > 9 months ago, 11 Jul 2011
aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
12 Jul 2011 2:58PM
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Hmmm, could have been a Bombora Tri-fin, or a very old Windtoys wave circa 1986-87 or so.

I think some of these old boards, while loosing many of the advances we have today, seemed easier to do some things on like learn to carve gybe. But then I do remember some slalom boards from the mid 90's to be absolute dogs to do anything on other than go fast in a straight line.

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
12 Jul 2011 6:39PM
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K Dog said...

Reflex Films said...

Sailboard 295 back in 1985 - it had about 4 wingers and a swallow tail

First one i tried i got.

No surprises on the hypersonic gybing front (formula style gybes anyone ? very techy to do)- but the wind range on those boards is awesome

These days the Starboard Carve is often called as one of the best carve gybers out there as you can vary the turn as you go - anything from early 2000s to the current version will do the trick

100 litres or so seems to be the magic size - although i rode a 121 that turned way better than it had any right to some years ago.

Flat water is ideal - or go straight to large open water chop where the wind has a good fetch to develop troughs you can carve in

- skip short chop - thats the worst


Starting to swing towards the Carve.... maybe the 120.... I tried a 110 a few times and found it very responsive and handles chop well.

What charactistics assist? Narrow tail? Round tail? Vee "hull"? Float?


I must be weird because I have pulled off exactly 1 planing exit carve gybe with my '06 110l Carve. And that was with what I'd call a really, really aggressive gybe around a crab pot marker, which I found surprising.

I find my old, beat up '05 98l JP FreesyleWave so, so much easier. Doesn't need much rail pressure and it just planes on through. It just feels right.

Care gybes are easiest on flat water (of course) and a powered up ~6m if you ask me. Around the 100 litre size.

(Forwards this year I SWEAR. No wind last year. Didn't count)

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
13 Jul 2011 8:01PM
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I have no longer chance to try but I wasted quite a few years to try to learn gibing on huge old style boards like BIC Calypso 320 cm without any luck at all ( step gibing - yes- only).

I wonder if it is physically possible at all?

When I switched to 130 and 92L everything is much easier.
So the question is :
Did you now professional, experienced riders ever try for fun to jump on old board and give her a go ?

Richiefish
QLD, 5610 posts
13 Jul 2011 8:14PM
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F2 Ride ...102L ?

Big Al
WA, 265 posts
14 Jul 2011 9:44PM
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Tiga 275ACR - what a great board.
Chop absorbing = comfort = stability = more commitment = more chance of planing carve gybe.

I still have a hard time understanding why people are going for highly technical boards (unless they are racing), unless they are highly skilled these type will only highlight your shortcomings.
The range of free ride style boards that give a great ride, excellent to gybe and still fly are plentiful to say the least. The only problem is that if you own one, you keep it so second hand ones are rare.
Boards like the Starboard Carve/Combat, Exocet Cross, Naish All Terrain, JP Freestyle wave, Fanatic Hawk, Tabou Rocket etc, etc. Board like these will give you a smile factor and improve your progress ten fold over a fully dedicated board. Getting off soap box now.

AB......

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
14 Jul 2011 11:19PM
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Big Al said...

Tiga 275ACR - what a great board.
Chop absorbing = comfort = stability = more commitment = more chance of planing carve gybe.

I still have a hard time understanding why people are going for highly technical boards (unless they are racing), unless they are highly skilled these type will only highlight your shortcomings.
The range of free ride style boards that give a great ride, excellent to gybe and still fly are plentiful to say the least. The only problem is that if you own one, you keep it so second hand ones are rare.
Boards like the Starboard Carve/Combat, Exocet Cross, Naish All Terrain, JP Freestyle wave, Fanatic Hawk, Tabou Rocket etc, etc. Board like these will give you a smile factor and improve your progress ten fold over a fully dedicated board. Getting off soap box now.

AB......


agree with that, but to be on the farrari of equipment is also a responsibility to thrash the living crap out of it, to squeeze everylast knot out of it all the time, everytime....

not for everyone though

K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
15 Jul 2011 11:09AM
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Big Al said...

Tiga 275ACR - what a great board.
Chop absorbing = comfort = stability = more commitment = more chance of planing carve gybe.

I still have a hard time understanding why people are going for highly technical boards (unless they are racing), unless they are highly skilled these type will only highlight your shortcomings.
The range of free ride style boards that give a great ride, excellent to gybe and still fly are plentiful to say the least. The only problem is that if you own one, you keep it so second hand ones are rare.
Boards like the Starboard Carve/Combat, Exocet Cross, Naish All Terrain, JP Freestyle wave, Fanatic Hawk, Tabou Rocket etc, etc. Board like these will give you a smile factor and improve your progress ten fold over a fully dedicated board. Getting off soap box now.

AB......


+1 (pretty much learned this from buying the wrong gear for my level.....)

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
15 Jul 2011 11:32AM
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Jackson Suicide wave thingy... major sinker. water logged.. but i probably only weighed about 50kg when i was 17. finally upgraded 10months ago im now 32

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
15 Jul 2011 11:38AM
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and i can no longer carve gybe

gh
NSW, 153 posts
15 Jul 2011 11:46AM
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F2 Comet and Bombora Astrotoy. Heavy hunk of plastic that I had to continually lay in the sun with weight on the tail to keep the tail from curving and gixing negative tail rocker.

MikeyS
VIC, 1509 posts
15 Jul 2011 2:59PM
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Tiga Swift. All 3.3 metres of it, with duct tape over the centreboard slot so it turned it into a slalom board- of sorts.

Ian K
WA, 4155 posts
15 Jul 2011 1:31PM
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gh said...

F2 Comet and Bombora Astrotoy. Heavy hunk of plastic that I had to continually lay in the sun with weight on the tail to keep the tail from curving and gixing negative tail rocker.




I also had an Astrotoy, they were highly regarded in their day. They had negative tail rocker but, I figured , when loaded while sailing in a straight line it was close to flat. When fully weighted in a gybe it bent further into a wavy rocker line. There was a glass copy made. Did it work in stiffer construction?

Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
15 Jul 2011 1:38PM
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F2 sunset slalom - 1985 model - had blue and green spiderweb graphics.

the first model released after the sunset (which was also pretty sick and had great graphics) There was also a Bullit that was totally sick and a comet too .

sickest board ever - gybed so well - learned jump gybes, planing 360s and back smacking cheesies rolls on it waaay back in the 80s.

Saw a guy on the river with one a few years back and just went crazy over seeing one again. He probably thought i was nuts.


Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
15 Jul 2011 4:29PM
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Ian K said...

gh said...

F2 Comet and Bombora Astrotoy. Heavy hunk of plastic that I had to continually lay in the sun with weight on the tail to keep the tail from curving and gixing negative tail rocker.




I also had an Astrotoy, they were highly regarded in their day. They had negative tail rocker but, I figured , when loaded while sailing in a straight line it was close to flat. When fully weighted in a gybe it bent further into a wavy rocker line. There was a glass copy made. Did it work in stiffer construction?




I saw one of those at Narrabeen Lake a month or so ago after the big rains. It looked like it had been washed up in the rising waters and then left on the grass when the waters receeded. It looked neglected and pretty sad. A big difference from the bright ads Bombora made to sell them.



gesper
NSW, 518 posts
15 Jul 2011 7:12PM
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Mistral Diamond Head 290 x 60 115 litres . Was a great board for gybing . After only 12 mths stainless stringers started showing through bottom of board, probably caused from jumping , was a shame . Claimed warranty on it ,no worries. Ended up with a custom board after that.

Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
15 Jul 2011 6:48PM
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i remember the Mistral Hookipa from 86/87 was a pretty fine shape too.

i didnt have one but my Israeli mate who had one - and myself on the f2 were unbeatable - i had a 6.3 gaastra slalom foil pro (the model with the short boom - 195 cm) that was insane too. All on an ally mast !

johndg
WA, 223 posts
15 Jul 2011 8:28PM
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Seems to me the original question relates to how you carve gybe and what is the best board. For my 2cents any free wave board of 90 to 100 liters is a good start. You need speed and a board that turns. Next you need to get the move into your brain and I would look at a video from someone like Peter Hart. You could even check Windseeker Mag online where there have technique videos. To learn you need to go fast, be off the wind, to keep your weight forward and looking where you want to go, flip earlier than you have done before and move your front hand close to the mast when flipping. The feet and the rest should follow.

ginger pom
VIC, 1746 posts
15 Jul 2011 10:30PM
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tiga 275 acr

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
15 Jul 2011 8:40PM
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Flat water _really_ helps as well...

(Mistral Flow 105, in around 30cm of water over a sandbar near Brisbane, I was hooting for days )

Also practice your rig flips on the beach until you can literally do them with your eyes closed.

Mistral Nick
QLD, 370 posts
16 Jul 2011 10:49AM
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It's weird , one day I absolutely nailed it on an early Surf FX salom with a '92 Pryde 5.5 slalom, gybe after gybe the sail was flipping almost by itself , losing hardly any board speed at all, sadly I have never been able to replicate that day, even though I rarely take a dive it seems difficult to maintain the speed through the turn. The short chop and often flukey winds on the Broadwater don't help.

AusMoz
QLD, 1497 posts
17 Jul 2011 9:03AM
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Tiga Power Jibe!

jamieferg
NSW, 108 posts
17 Jul 2011 6:21PM
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one of the best shaped boards ive ever used was a mistral electron 88l, it was fast, change the fin and it could shred, great board, handled some really high jumps landing super flat, no problems it really made me able to gybe fast,smoothly,and efficiently

any of the starboard carves are great but i reckon you'd best suit a 100l-115l board to what's needed.
keep your knees bent, absorb that chop and pull the boom down to keep the nose down, don't look down at your feet

timeless tips- from robby naish

shoodbegood
VIC, 873 posts
17 Jul 2011 8:27PM
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F2 Max2Air, bought second hand from RPS, around 90l. I had it for 2 or 3 seasons and loved it, really learnt to jibe (6 or 7 out of 10!) but never saw another one? Has anyone had one? Followed that with a Maui Project, I think 92l, also loved it. Both boards ended up breaking in half, is this something common of F2,s of that vintage (early 2000,s).

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
17 Jul 2011 8:39PM
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its common of all boards of that vintage...



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