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Unnecessary urge to purchase

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Created by anjroo > 9 months ago, 25 Nov 2011
anjroo
25 posts
25 Nov 2011 10:03AM
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Hi

This is the start of my second summer windsurfing (in Perth). Last year I bought myself a big (160L) board and have learned how to get up to planing speed and at the end of last summer was in the footstraps and harness all the time, I'm a bit scratchy at moment (covered in catapult bruises) but am sure that in a week or so I'll be back to where I was and cant help but think life might be easier with a less massive board to lug around.

I dont want to spend the money to purchase anything new but have my eye on the second hand market.... at the moment there is a 105L Starboard Kombat for sale on this website, would anyone have any ideas as to whether this might be appropriate as a second board? Or is this over-reaching?

Any advice appreciated.

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
25 Nov 2011 10:08AM
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How much do you weigh and where do you want to sail?

ejmack
VIC, 1308 posts
25 Nov 2011 1:13PM
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I think around 120 litre is a sensible drop. Probably really depends on how much time you get to sail, how fit you are etc. Biggest mistake I made was going too small to fast. Second hand is a good option too as you don't feel so bad when you crunch/bang up the front of your board. Been there also.

anjroo
25 posts
25 Nov 2011 11:49AM
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Thanks ejmack and windxtacy

I get to sail every weekend and sometimes (one day a week at most) after work.

I weigh about 76kg (its been a while since I checked) and am reasonably fit (which is pretty miraculous considering all the nasty things I do to my body)

I only sail on the Swan river at the moment and figure that's all I'll be doing until I'm confident enough in my abilities to hit the ocean.... I have aspirations to wave sail one day (I'm a surfer) - but figure that day is a long way off!

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
25 Nov 2011 12:40PM
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Can you waterstart yet? If yes, go for the Kombat. They are a good all round board with a bit of bump and jump capability.
If no, something a bit bigger (120L) would be easier for you to uphaul on.

Mark _australia
WA, 23433 posts
25 Nov 2011 1:28PM
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Even if waterstarting you will need to eb committed to jump on the Kombat - it will be hard initially and feel slow to plane and skittish once up on the plane.

120L freeride sounds better but at the rate you have progressed so far maybe you can go smaller than some people did in their first step down.
See if you can test ride somebody's board

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
25 Nov 2011 1:48PM
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A test ride is a great idea.
I always test ride before I buy.
It's pretty easy to quickly get an idea of what you like, and especially if you need more volume.
Look around for someone at the beach who has what you're thinking of and ask for a go. Alternately the seller of the Kombat may be happy to let you try it.

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
25 Nov 2011 3:50PM
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go the kombat, with that TOW you should sh/t it in. Your only a lightweight, thats heaps of volume, unless you are a bit unco.

anjroo
25 posts
25 Nov 2011 1:53PM
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Thanks all

My commitment to regular crashes and just plain falling off has meant I've had to suss out water starting so yep, I can do that (well I can do it on my current boat).

If I saw something reasonable 2nd hand for sale in Perth around the 120L mark I'd be on it (assuming my wallet didn't wuss out).

I might try rent something smaller on the weekend and see how it goes, although I did this once last summer and put my head through the sail of the hire board ..... hopefully someone else buys the Kombat in the mean time so I dont do something stupid.

Thanks again

anjroo
25 posts
25 Nov 2011 1:54PM
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Thanks Wormy..... what is TOW?

FilthyAmatuer
WA, 877 posts
25 Nov 2011 1:56PM
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No better way to learn to waterstart than get a board which requires you to waterstart. You only weigh 76kg so you will be able to uphaul a 105 L board, 120L will just be easier.

I personally think you will be fine on 105L, especially if you plan on keeping the big board (atleast for a little while). It depends on how committed you are and how often you plan to sail.

Trousers
SA, 565 posts
25 Nov 2011 4:41PM
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anjroo said...

Thanks Wormy..... what is TOW?


Time-On-Water

Its the secret to success for any good windsurfer.

And for the size board - it's really up to how aggressive and motivated you are. the first time you hop on a smaller board, you'll do a lot of swimming - the greater that difference in litres, the more swimming you'll do.

if you can hack the punishing (re)learning curve - you'll conquer the Kombat, but be warned it'd be a tough gig to tame that shrew. once you do, it's pretty close to an appropriate 'litre-age' for your size.

the easier/more enjoyable path will be the 120lt which will initially feel tiny underfoot (compared to the floater) but be more forgiving while you learn short-board footwork.

wishing you a great season mate!

anjroo
25 posts
25 Nov 2011 2:40PM
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Cheers Trousers!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8224 posts
25 Nov 2011 7:03PM
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Trousers said...

anjroo said...

Thanks Wormy..... what is TOW?


Time-On-Water

Its the secret to success for any good windsurfer.

And for the size board - it's really up to how aggressive and motivated you are. the first time you hop on a smaller board, you'll do a lot of swimming - the greater that difference in litres, the more swimming you'll do.

if you can hack the punishing (re)learning curve - you'll conquer the Kombat, but be warned it'd be a tough gig to tame that shrew. once you do, it's pretty close to an appropriate 'litre-age' for your size.

the easier/more enjoyable path will be the 120lt which will initially feel tiny underfoot (compared to the floater) but be more forgiving while you learn short-board footwork.

wishing you a great season mate!



All this advice is applicable if you get decent wind regularly.If you live somewhere the wind only blows occasionally everything will take longer to learn and a larger board will help.
Arh.. I just read Perth..say no more.. grr you should be fine!

Stuthepirate
SA, 3591 posts
25 Nov 2011 7:29PM
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I'm a bit like you (only i'm 85kg) and am at the stage where i'm thinking of my next board. I too have thought of the Kombat for sale but after getting some advice from this forum, have decided to go around the 110 - 115L. I am in the harness everytime and can water start regularly but the extra bouancy will make life a little easier me thinks. A season or 2 with that and practice on my gybes then i will think of going below the 100L range. Can't wait

sideskirt
328 posts
25 Nov 2011 5:35PM
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I went to 113L from 170L with my 85kg, and it was good....so with 76kg I would say 105L is ok...

confused
NSW, 175 posts
25 Nov 2011 9:32PM
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if its in your budget there is a 110ltr jp funride listed in the classifieds that might be a good option.

Cheers,

Mark

decrepit
WA, 12761 posts
25 Nov 2011 7:51PM
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I'm 70kg and love my 110litre board for light winds (10 to 18 knots). for 15 to 20 knots I use an 85litre board, 18 and above 75litres.

For your next board, I'd be looking around the 100-115litres that will work in the waves, then you'll be able to use it as a low wind wave board when you progress to the ocean. And you needn't wait too long, as long as you go out on a low swell day, ie under head high and with waves that aren't very hollow. You don't need to be able to gybe if you can water start well.

Perth mostly gets it's best swell in light winds so a light wind wave board comes in very useful.

Another possibility is a SUP you can also use them as a low wind wave board and are very stable for learning

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
25 Nov 2011 10:48PM
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Hey andjroo,

I reckon youll be fine on the 105, I progressed from a 131 carve to a 89L '08 kombat (Im 63kg). If you can waterstart (uphauling might even be possible on the 105) and rip along alright, it's not that big a jump, thats where I was at when I bought the kombat.

Some things I found different, as already mentioned it'll accelerate onto the plane and swing into corners quicker, loose speed a lot more rapidly and feel much looser/skittish than your big board, the hardest thing I found was how willing the nose of the kombat was to sink compared to the carve, once I learned to move straight back on the gusts it was all good.

I actually learnt to carve gybe on the smaller board too, because it reacted directly when I moved my foot over, and having to balance the rig in relation to where the board was made me carve the board all the way through too as opposed to the big board where I could put the rigs weight and my weight over the board, I couldnt get it to go past downwind.

I've finished my novel

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
25 Nov 2011 10:50PM
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as a side note; Id hang on to that bigger board for the light wind days when you still want to get out

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
26 Nov 2011 8:47AM
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The op says he/she can't waterstart so should get something that's uphaulable. Get something too sinky and you're looking for an accident at this stage.

Don't get a board to wave oriented, they're too draggy to get on the plane easily and will make you miserable. Get a freeride, or better a Freestyle-Wave or Free-Wave.

anjroo
25 posts
26 Nov 2011 9:22AM
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All plans on hold thanks to massive hangover but still appreciate all your advise...I feel the love.

Might be able to look at kombat this afternoon but first I heed to work out where I left my bicycl last night?

anjroo
25 posts
7 Dec 2011 2:40PM
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So I bought the Kombat (thanks Nick).... bring on the windy weekend

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
7 Dec 2011 10:19PM
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Awesome!

stringer
WA, 703 posts
8 Dec 2011 8:26AM
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anjroo said...

So I bought the Kombat (thanks Nick).... bring on the windy weekend


You won't be looking back!

Zed
WA, 1271 posts
8 Dec 2011 9:47AM
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If you're keen to get into the waves, try Lano main break, great spot for learning to wave sail. Well not the best wave to ride, but easy to get out the back and good for learning to jump. And I think you'll be pretty happy with your Kombat :) What sails have you got?

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
8 Dec 2011 10:51AM
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Windxtasy said...

A test ride is a great idea.
I always test ride before I buy.
It's pretty easy to quickly get an idea of what you like, and especially if you need more volume.
Look around for someone at the beach who has what you're thinking of and ask for a go. Alternately the seller of the Kombat may be happy to let you try it.


Agree

Do the same for women as well

anjroo
25 posts
8 Dec 2011 2:50PM
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Cheers Zed... I'm many many hours of practice away from getting on the ocean, but at least now I have some gear that can get me out there when I'm ready. . I've got a 5.2Neil Pride Combat, a 6m somethingorother (a decent somethingorother), and a really old Neil Pride 4.5 which I never really use..... I also have a 3.5 that came with my big board...... anyone want a 3.5m sail?

Zed
WA, 1271 posts
8 Dec 2011 3:47PM
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anjroo said...

Cheers Zed... I'm many many hours of practice away from getting on the ocean, but at least now I have some gear that can get me out there when I'm ready. . I've got a 5.2Neil Pride Combat, a 6m somethingorother (a decent somethingorother), and a really old Neil Pride 4.5 which I never really use..... I also have a 3.5 that came with my big board...... anyone want a 3.5m sail?


Keep the 3.5 for those 30+ days :) The NP Combats are good solid sails, even the old ones, so you've got a decent setup there.



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