Some of my older posts on Local North America Pacific NW Windtalk Site start losing the Pictures, Graphs & Attachments.
Ther is a "ring buffer" that deletes those for older posts. At some point I will need to repost some IMHO more important posts here on Global Windsurfing Forum. BTW Hey, I am still Aussie Citizen ![]()
My old Post is still there with more Details, Graphs and Pictures on (nested objects still there):
"Science of fluid flow, wind shadow, laminar vs turbulent flow"
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/85734803
For example: You will find Reference to Estimate of downwind wind shadow (behind the object) as ratio 1 to 10 or 1 to 20 based on object height. Obviously the object width also plays a role in it.
There are probably 2 Things that have to be added to that post due to their importance and the significance of the effect:
1) If the Terrain is Down sloping for sufficient distance, the air velocity, due to Newton's First Law, causes the reduction of wind shadow (comparing to flat terrain). That is why I had so many debates on NW Windtalk as to why SSP (Sail Sand Point) often is so great (and even better than Maggie/Magnuson) on Southerly Winds. However, I am the only person taking the advantage of that apart from Sailboat Racers who practice there regularly in any season of the year.
There is a reason why they practice exactly there.
I also have proven in many of my session reports with GPS track speeds plotted over the map (Garmin Connect Feature) that there are Independant "Air Corridors" and each can be active independently from each other just within 2 miles Lake Washington Width in this area.
Often there is more wind where nobody expect it to be therefore nobody goes there.
When I present it. I get response: "Windsurfers have been going to Maggie/ Magnuson for at least last 40 years, therefore that is where more wind is, use Beaufort Scale".
BTW The water is flat downwind from SSP as it is off-shore wind on Southerly therefore you can enjoy more speeds and use shorter foil masts.
Also think about when someone tells you to use Beaufort Scale (wind strength estimation based on water condition) how good is it if you are sailing on Lake George ?
Some of my "fellas ova heya" would never sail on Lake George arguing there is no wind
Seeing you Blokes riding it, they ask: "Is it a hoax ?!" I am Serious.
2) Marek's Rule of Thumb (or Fist):
I often mention that Science can be Beautiful, Clear & Simple when you "filter noise", put "none-dominant factors" into perspective (or ignore them completely) and only focus on Dominant Factors:
It is not few % accuracy that matters for the "Bigger Picture". It is all about Relative References, e.g. area where specific hydrofoil beats all the other.
Also it is often about Indexing (Ratios, Multipliers) to verify if something "Makes Sense" or not.
BTW: We came to interesting conclusions taking to different sailors at much different weight and indexed it:
1) Dividing Sail Size by sailor weight - heavier sailor needs bigger sail
2) Multiplying weight by e.g. max speed - heavier sailor will have lower max speed (in specific wind range).
More Details at:
Ratios, Multipliers & Science - More Analysis for Geeks
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/79300663
Therefore:
Everybody has different fist size and arm length (I mean distance between your eye and fist when the arm is stretched) BUT wouldn't you expect that a person with longer arm (bigger person) will have statistically larger fist?
Again, it does not Matter exactly for "The bigger picture" when we are trying to Estimate (Not necessarily measure) building height and distance ratio (for wind shadow estimation) using our arms to fist size ratio.
You would also expect that my measured arm length to fist ratio should be very similar to any other person therefore can be used on the water as a powerful tool.
So here is the picture I made for You:

Like on the picture, if you rotate the fist, stretch your arm in front of you and you compare how your fist width (now height) at the arms length compares to building height then you know more less the if the distance from the building is also 1 to 10 ratio.
Therefore, you can estimate if you are in the wind shadow or not.
Simpe. Isn't it ?
Sure, you can also "read the water" but that depends on many factors and could be topic for separate discussion (if needed).
You should go to Vassiliki.
Sailing right next to a big hill in 25 knots, everyday is the weirdest thing.
"TW: We came to interesting conclusions taking to different sailors at much different weight and indexed it:
1) Dividing Sail Size by sailor weight - heavier sailor needs bigger sail
2) Multiplying weight by e.g. max speed - heavier sailor will have lower max speed (in specific wind range)."
And that explains why the fastest sailors in the world are flyweights of ~100kg
You should go to Vassiliki.
Sailing right next to a big hill in 25 knots, everyday is the weirdest thing.
There are several things you can learn from places surrounded by mountains:
1) you get Vertical Winds hitting the lake surface therefore "reading the water" becomes essential
2) you get Horizontal Winds that are referred as Eddies & Whirling Vortices
3) wind strength - adjust sail accordingly
4) TOW - nothing better than this and analyzing wind sensors (if available), looking for patterns, every place will have specific local patterns correlated to specific wind direction,
BTW: I had spend 6 years of my Youth Racing Sailboats in Poland from year 1980 till 1986.
I raced in places spanning from Mountain Lakes like Solina to Baltic Sea: Bay of Gdansk and Bay of Puck.
Your Vassiliki looks similar to Solina with the topology of terrain with high mountains on both sides.
Here is an example for your reference for Solina Mountain Reservoir:
Racing in places like this gives you the experience you can find in no other places on Earth.
For a Novice it does not make any sense.
For Example: How is it possible on an upwind course race having two sailboats going upwind in the same direction
BUT
One is on Starboard and the other on Portside ?!
No, they are not on Broad Reach, they are both going Upwind ?!
Then suddenly you hear a loud noise and second boat suddenly flips from Starboard to Portside and then still continues in the same direction. That was for me an unbelievable experience.
BUT The explanation is very simple.
Studied in Vertical Axis:
When the wind follows down the mountain slope it hits the water at an angle and creates very Local Zonal winds. - "Read the water"
Studied in Horizontal Axis:
When the wind component goes around the mountain it creates Eddies & Whirling Vortices - Again - "Read the water"
If you are interested in Better Understanding how it all works, I do recommend the following book:
The Secret World of Weather by Tristan Gooley
Have you ever heard of The Rebel Winds ?
"TW: We came to interesting conclusions taking to different sailors at much different weight and indexed it:
1) Dividing Sail Size by sailor weight - heavier sailor needs bigger sail
2) Multiplying weight by e.g. max speed - heavier sailor will have lower max speed (in specific wind range)."
And that explains why the fastest sailors in the world are flyweights of ~100kg
Please read carefully. It was already written: "in specific wind range".
There is a BIG difference between Light Wind Sailing and Strong Wind Sailing.
I hope You know that so I do not have to explain that, Right?
Look at Kona Races for example: "Sail sizes are adapted to competitors' weights".
You should go to Vassiliki.
Sailing right next to a big hill in 25 knots, everyday is the weirdest thing.
Compare Vassiliki to Squall on Mountain Lake Solina.
You do not need the sail. Your t-shirt will be enough![]()
For some reason Video link does not work therefore I am pasting screen shot only and providing you with the text string to search YouTube:
"Szkwa? na Solinie 2010 cz.1"

Lets see if this Drone Video Works here:
Really good perspective on mountains around. Plise note the lake is huge.
Title on YouTube is "Jezioro Soli?skie"