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Created by RoyalontheFoil > 9 months ago, 11 Oct 2022
RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
11 Oct 2022 7:39PM
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Hi,
I sail with a patrik foil one board,
Each time I put the mast base in the thread eats at the track.
Is this normal?
Thanks -Roy

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
11 Oct 2022 9:08PM
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Not really, no.

what do you mean by the thread eats at the track? The mast track is generally a very solid piece of plastic laminated into the board with re-enforcing laid around it. Seen them catastrophically ripped out before, but never seen one damaged through general use?

WillyWind
579 posts
11 Oct 2022 10:27PM
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Roy1000 said..
Hi,
I sail with a patrik foil one board,
Each time I put the mast base in the thread eats at the track.
Is this normal?
Thanks -Roy


Can you share pictures?

RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
12 Oct 2022 11:35AM
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Subsonic said..
Not really, no.

what do you mean by the thread eats at the track? The mast track is generally a very solid piece of plastic laminated into the board with re-enforcing laid around it. Seen them catastrophically ripped out before, but never seen one damaged through general use?


Like the thread (thread from mast base) grates on the the mast track, when i take the mast base out there are big wear marks from the thread of the base.

RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
12 Oct 2022 11:35AM
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WillyWind said..

Roy1000 said..
Hi,
I sail with a patrik foil one board,
Each time I put the mast base in the thread eats at the track.
Is this normal?
Thanks -Roy



Can you share pictures?


will do.

BSN101
WA, 2372 posts
12 Oct 2022 11:35AM
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Have a look at your uni base too. Maybe another round spacer is required.

RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
12 Oct 2022 12:29PM
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BSN101 said..
Have a look at your uni base too. Maybe another round spacer is required.


wdym? Spacer?
I checked if the bolt was too big for the track but it fits in without touching,
I dont screw the mast while its bent or under force.

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
12 Oct 2022 3:33PM
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I see confusion , is the damage to the bottom or sides of the box ?
Is the screw too long and damagaging the bottom of the track ? If so , you can shorten the screw or ,( as above suggests ) ,put another spacer , the big 100mm one ,under the mast base .It should lift it a couple mm. However , if the damage is to the side of the box , replace the threaded plate in your mast track to a T nut shaped one .

RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
12 Oct 2022 7:37PM
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very much on the side , Looks a lot calmer on photos but it does this each time i put my base in and it goes further in each time.



SurferKris
475 posts
12 Oct 2022 8:16PM
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Are you using a T-shaped nut or the older flat-nut version?

Seems to me like the T-nut is not doing its job. So perhaps replace it with a new one. I have had some in which the bolt hole was not centered well.

RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
12 Oct 2022 8:31PM
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SurferKris said..
Are you using a T-shaped nut or the older flat-nut version?

Seems to me like the T-nut is not doing its job. So perhaps replace it with a new one. I have had some in which the bolt hole was not centered well.


Yes i am using a t nut but i've used it on other boards with no issues perhaps its just gotten old.
Thanks

decrepit
WA, 12767 posts
12 Oct 2022 9:17PM
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photo of the mast base showing thread and nut would be helpful I've never seen anything like that.

Looks like it's the the thread wearing on the side of the slot, As others have said, the nut should centre the bolt. if not, the nut isn't wide enough ,or the cut out in the track is too wide.

Sandman1221
2776 posts
12 Oct 2022 9:29PM
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Does the nut have little spikes at each of the 4 corners, and are those spikes on the nut pointing upward towards the mast base? Are the marks on the track at the different positions where the mast base has been locked in place?

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
13 Oct 2022 6:03AM
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That is strange if using a T nut. Is the damage only on one side ? If so , could the box have been badly installed on an angle ? Nothing surprises me . That would explain those marks if they are only on one side .It's easy to check if you have a US fin lying around.

WillyWind
579 posts
13 Oct 2022 4:34AM
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Roy1000 said..

SurferKris said..
Are you using a T-shaped nut or the older flat-nut version?

Seems to me like the T-nut is not doing its job. So perhaps replace it with a new one. I have had some in which the bolt hole was not centered well.



Yes i am using a t nut but i've used it on other boards with no issues perhaps its just gotten old.
Thanks


A worn out nut should not cause that type of damage.


put the T-nut in the slot and with a flashlight see if the hole (where the mast base gets screwed in) is right in the middle or is more toward the side it is rubbing. Wiggle the t-nut side with a pencil side to see if it has a little bit of space to move. Also, you can Get a bolt from a hardware store that fits the t-nut thread, Screw it into the t-nut in and check if the bolt is rubbing that side.

RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
13 Oct 2022 7:29AM
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Sandman1221 said..
Does the nut have little spikes at each of the 4 corners, and are those spikes on the nut pointing upward towards the mast base? Are the marks on the track at the different positions where the mast base has been locked in place?


its an average t nut i believe

RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
13 Oct 2022 7:30AM
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WillyWind said..

Roy1000 said..


SurferKris said..
Are you using a T-shaped nut or the older flat-nut version?

Seems to me like the T-nut is not doing its job. So perhaps replace it with a new one. I have had some in which the bolt hole was not centered well.




Yes i am using a t nut but i've used it on other boards with no issues perhaps its just gotten old.
Thanks



A worn out nut should not cause that type of damage.


put the T-nut in the slot and with a flashlight see if the hole (where the mast base gets screwed in) is right in the middle or is more toward the side it is rubbing. Wiggle the t-nut side with a pencil side to see if it has a little bit of space to move. Also, you can Get a bolt from a hardware store that fits the t-nut thread, Screw it into the t-nut in and check if the bolt is rubbing that side.


I've used the base and nut on the same make of board previously and never had that sort of wear. Which is odd that its doing it on my board.

Sandman1221
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13 Oct 2022 10:13AM
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Roy1000 said..






WillyWind said..







Roy1000 said..








SurferKris said..
Are you using a T-shaped nut or the older flat-nut version?

Seems to me like the T-nut is not doing its job. So perhaps replace it with a new one. I have had some in which the bolt hole was not centered well.










Yes i am using a t nut but i've used it on other boards with no issues perhaps its just gotten old.
Thanks









A worn out nut should not cause that type of damage.


put the T-nut in the slot and with a flashlight see if the hole (where the mast base gets screwed in) is right in the middle or is more toward the side it is rubbing. Wiggle the t-nut side with a pencil side to see if it has a little bit of space to move. Also, you can Get a bolt from a hardware store that fits the t-nut thread, Screw it into the t-nut in and check if the bolt is rubbing that side.








I've used the base and nut on the same make of board previously and never had that sort of wear. Which is odd that its doing it on my board.







So maybe the problem is the mast track is not to spec. and the side that is getting rubbed is a little too wide, that may be due to the builder wrapping a layer of glass around the edge making it wider than it is supposed to be and your screw is just removing that excess. Or, the inside track on the opposite side has extra glass that is forcing the nut to the other side. So probably just a cosmetic issue, could color some epoxy black and give it a coat to hide the wear marks. Personally, I would not worry about it from a structural stand point, but would color it black to hide it visually. Paint stores have pigments, just need the smallest amount they can dispense, and then take a touch of that and mix in with waterproof epoxy.

RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
13 Oct 2022 5:27PM
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Sandman1221 said..

Roy1000 said..







WillyWind said..








Roy1000 said..









SurferKris said..
Are you using a T-shaped nut or the older flat-nut version?

Seems to me like the T-nut is not doing its job. So perhaps replace it with a new one. I have had some in which the bolt hole was not centered well.











Yes i am using a t nut but i've used it on other boards with no issues perhaps its just gotten old.
Thanks










A worn out nut should not cause that type of damage.


put the T-nut in the slot and with a flashlight see if the hole (where the mast base gets screwed in) is right in the middle or is more toward the side it is rubbing. Wiggle the t-nut side with a pencil side to see if it has a little bit of space to move. Also, you can Get a bolt from a hardware store that fits the t-nut thread, Screw it into the t-nut in and check if the bolt is rubbing that side.









I've used the base and nut on the same make of board previously and never had that sort of wear. Which is odd that its doing it on my board.








So maybe the problem is the mast track is not to spec. and the side that is getting rubbed is a little too wide, that may be due to the builder wrapping a layer of glass around the edge making it wider than it is supposed to be and your screw is just removing that excess. Or, the inside track on the opposite side has extra glass that is forcing the nut to the other side. So probably just a cosmetic issue, could color some epoxy black and give it a coat to hide the wear marks. Personally, I would not worry about it from a structural stand point, but would color it black to hide it visually. Paint stores have pigments, just need the smallest amount they can dispense, and then take a touch of that and mix in with waterproof epoxy.


Thankyou sm!



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