Forums > Windsurfing General

Strangest fin ever seen, and it appears to work

Reply
Created by puffin > 9 months ago, 28 Jul 2010
puffin
235 posts
28 Jul 2010 2:50AM
Thumbs Up

A sailing buddy spotted this fin at a local surf spot a few days ago. this thing is for real...the "turbo tunnel" fin. Used on surf boards and some SUP boards. I remember a fin in the early 90's that used much smaller tunnels (or channels) to address cavitation. This is supposed to be about generating lift and drive, though

www.peconicpuffin.com/the_peconic_puffin/2010/07/strangest-fin-seen-in-25-yearscould-it-work.html

Certainly it looks more functional than the old "football fins" though probably a weed catcher.

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
28 Jul 2010 9:28AM
Thumbs Up

... and you could insert a mini jet engine and motor along on no wind days!

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
28 Jul 2010 4:34PM
Thumbs Up

seems everything old is new again, again.

from deboichet





NotWal
QLD, 7430 posts
28 Jul 2010 6:54PM
Thumbs Up

What's the theory behind those tunnels?
I don't get it. They just look immensely draggy.

Glitch
QLD, 292 posts
28 Jul 2010 8:11PM
Thumbs Up

This is from a surfboard. Made from epoxy & brown paper.

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
28 Jul 2010 8:21PM
Thumbs Up

NotWal said...

What's the theory behind those tunnels?
I don't get it. They just look immensely draggy.




The theory is just put out something new and different even if unproven to get sales. Maybe someone from marketing can explain better?

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
28 Jul 2010 8:48PM
Thumbs Up

That's a work of art. The timberwork is beautiful.


Glitch said...

This is from a surfboard. Made from epoxy & brown paper.




grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
28 Jul 2010 6:55PM
Thumbs Up

KenHo said...

That's a work of art. The timberwork is beautiful.


Especially seeing as its paper ...

nosinkanow
NSW, 441 posts
28 Jul 2010 8:58PM
Thumbs Up

Little Jon said...

The theory is just put out something new and different even if unproven to get sales. Maybe someone from marketing can explain better?


Make it really expensive too coz perception is everything, if it costs heaps it must be good.

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
28 Jul 2010 10:30PM
Thumbs Up

i miss my canard fins. not.....

still got a couple of fins that need canards to be locked in.

nosinkanow
NSW, 441 posts
29 Jul 2010 1:37AM
Thumbs Up

NotWal said...

What's the theory behind those tunnels?
I don't get it. They just look immensely draggy.




Actually a tube has more lift than a vertical flat plane ie. a fin. Dunno the science behind it but my aeronautical father told me so when I showed him a piccy of this type of fin in the '80s. I guess if you tilt it up a couple of degrees it would tend to rise when in forward motion. Again another plausible idea regurgitated from the past. Where's the Myth Busters when you need them?

But that crescent + boomerang fin thing looks fresh and funky on that apparently faux timber board, looks sweet. Would look cool too as a night club wall light.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
29 Jul 2010 7:01AM
Thumbs Up

Um, I read that as "this is from a surfboard, made from paper" as, "this" being the fin. The board is clearly timber.




grumplestiltskin said...

KenHo said...

That's a work of art. The timberwork is beautiful.


Especially seeing as its paper ...


KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
29 Jul 2010 7:09AM
Thumbs Up

No real mystery there. A tube clearly has a horizontal section or 2 to create wing like lift.
A vertical fin does not.
LIft does not mean low-drag though.
Not sure that it means anything useful in relation to cavitation either.





nosinkanow said...

NotWal said...

What's the theory behind those tunnels?
I don't get it. They just look immensely draggy.




Actually a tube has more lift than a vertical flat plane ie. a fin. Dunno the science behind it but my aeronautical father told me so when I showed him a piccy of this type of fin in the '80s. I guess if you tilt it up a couple of degrees it would tend to rise when in forward motion. Again another plausible idea regurgitated from the past. Where's the Myth Busters when you need them?

But that crescent + boomerang fin thing looks fresh and funky on that apparently faux timber board, looks sweet. Would look cool too as a night club wall light.


NotWal
QLD, 7430 posts
29 Jul 2010 7:18PM
Thumbs Up

KenHo said...

No real mystery there. A tube clearly has a horizontal section or 2 to create wing like lift.
A vertical fin does not.
LIft does not mean low-drag though.
Not sure that it means anything useful in relation to cavitation either.



Unless you're a hydrofoil you don't want vertical lift. Any surface that creates lift also creates induced drag.
Assuming its NOT trying to create vertical lift what would it do?

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
29 Jul 2010 9:23PM
Thumbs Up

So, when people refer to "lift" in relation to windsurfing fins, if not vertical left, then what lift is being referred to ?
A definition of lift would be useful at this point.




NotWal said...

KenHo said...

No real mystery there. A tube clearly has a horizontal section or 2 to create wing like lift.
A vertical fin does not.
LIft does not mean low-drag though.
Not sure that it means anything useful in relation to cavitation either.



Unless you're a hydrofoil you don't want vertical lift. Any surface that creates lift also creates induced drag.
Assuming its NOT trying to create vertical lift what would it do?



scarrgo
WA, 193 posts
29 Jul 2010 7:37PM
Thumbs Up

the idea is that a fin creates windward lift to appose the other forces on the board such as back leg pressure

to go as fast as possible is to achieve this windward lift with the least amount of drag

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
29 Jul 2010 9:41PM
Thumbs Up

See, there you go. Was the nice engineering man using the same definition, or maybe thinking along different lines.
I would not have thought to use "lift" to describe lateral forces, though I can see how it does work.


scarrgo said...

the idea is that a fin creates windward lift to appose the other forces on the board such as back leg pressure

to go as fast as possible is to achieve this windward lift with the least amount of drag


brad1
QLD, 232 posts
29 Jul 2010 10:03PM
Thumbs Up

puffin said...

A sailing buddy spotted this fin at a local surf spot a few days ago. this thing is for real...the "turbo tunnel" fin. Used on surf boards and some SUP boards. I remember a fin in the early 90's that used much smaller tunnels (or channels) to address cavitation. This is supposed to be about generating lift and drive, though

www.peconicpuffin.com/the_peconic_puffin/2010/07/strangest-fin-seen-in-25-yearscould-it-work.html

Certainly it looks more functional than the old "football fins" though probably a weed catcher.


Can you define "drive" or is this another piece of marketing hype?

slowboat
WA, 560 posts
29 Jul 2010 8:32PM
Thumbs Up

and just to confuse you more... a fin is a hydrofoil. But it creates mostly lateral lift. All of those things look to me like a good way to slow yourself down and do not much else...

NotWal
QLD, 7430 posts
29 Jul 2010 10:44PM
Thumbs Up

KenHo said...

See, there you go. Was the nice engineering man using the same definition, or maybe thinking along different lines.
I would not have thought to use "lift" to describe lateral forces, though I can see how it does work.


scarrgo said...

the idea is that a fin creates windward lift to appose the other forces on the board such as back leg pressure

to go as fast as possible is to achieve this windward lift with the least amount of drag




Yes I was forgetting. That is odd usage isn't it. It tricks everyone the first time

puffin
235 posts
29 Jul 2010 9:49PM
Thumbs Up

brad1 said...
Can you define "drive" or is this another piece of marketing hype?


I can not. I quoted a surfer who has used the thing (who conceivably might be repeating marketing hype.) And as I'm in my first year of surfing I sure as hell don't know all the jargon.

In any event, my new plan (a goofy one) is to try and put one of these on a windsurfing board, and then try sailing fin first. There seems to be a reasonable consensus amongst surfers who have used the thing that at low speeds it's good for noseriding, so just for laughs I'm wondering if there is fin first amusement to be had.

Clearly I am suffering from wind deprivation.

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
30 Jul 2010 1:10AM
Thumbs Up

puffin said...

brad1 said...
Can you define "drive" or is this another piece of marketing hype?


I can not. I quoted a surfer who has used the thing (who conceivably might be repeating marketing hype.) And as I'm in my first year of surfing I sure as hell don't know all the jargon.

In any event, my new plan (a goofy one) is to try and put one of these on a windsurfing board, and then try sailing fin first. There seems to be a reasonable consensus amongst surfers who have used the thing that at low speeds it's good for noseriding, so just for laughs I'm wondering if there is fin first amusement to be had.

Clearly I am suffering from wind deprivation.




Clearly.

Dreaming about/making/buying and/or and experimenting with bizarre, unnecessary and probably useless gear is a classic symptom!

When it's windy, people grab their favourite gear and GO!

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
30 Jul 2010 7:46AM
Thumbs Up

A surfer does get "drive", or forward thrust form a fin, in the same way you can pump a skateboard. It's a totally different principle to windsurfing though.

puffin said...

brad1 said...
Can you define "drive" or is this another piece of marketing hype?


I can not. I quoted a surfer who has used the thing (who conceivably might be repeating marketing hype.) And as I'm in my first year of surfing I sure as hell don't know all the jargon.

In any event, my new plan (a goofy one) is to try and put one of these on a windsurfing board, and then try sailing fin first. There seems to be a reasonable consensus amongst surfers who have used the thing that at low speeds it's good for noseriding, so just for laughs I'm wondering if there is fin first amusement to be had.

Clearly I am suffering from wind deprivation.




mr love
VIC, 2401 posts
30 Jul 2010 11:36AM
Thumbs Up

I made one of those tube fins back in the 80's after seeing a photo of one.

It failed on 2 accounts.

First it was slow and draggy.

Second, rather than being mobbed with adulation for my cool new fin I was laughed off the beach by my mates!!!! Ha.

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
30 Jul 2010 9:47AM
Thumbs Up

Wet Willy said...

puffin said...



Clearly I am suffering from wind deprivation.




Clearly.

Dreaming about/making/buying and/or and experimenting with bizarre, unnecessary and probably useless gear is a classic symptom!

When it's windy, people grab their favourite gear and GO!


as per Hardie's definition of Wind deficiency syndrome:

An affliction known to cause mood changes,
bouts of extreme boredom,
impulsive behaviours such as buying windsurfing
equipment which won't be used,
excessive internet use, negative thinking,
weight gain, lethargy, daydreaming,
and the occasional bout of interpersonal conflict.

puffin
235 posts
30 Jul 2010 8:54PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Those are my symptoms exactly. I need treatment.

Windxtasy said...


as per Hardie's definition of Wind deficiency syndrome:

An affliction known to cause mood changes,
bouts of extreme boredom,
impulsive behaviours such as buying windsurfing
equipment which won't be used,
excessive internet use, negative thinking,
weight gain, lethargy, daydreaming,
and the occasional bout of interpersonal conflict.



Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
31 Jul 2010 3:38PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
puffin said...

Those are my symptoms exactly. I need treatment.

Windxtasy said...


as per Hardie's definition of Wind deficiency syndrome:

An affliction known to cause mood changes,
bouts of extreme boredom,
impulsive behaviours such as buying windsurfing
equipment which won't be used,
excessive internet use, negative thinking,
weight gain, lethargy, daydreaming,
and the occasional bout of interpersonal conflict.






There's only one cure for wind deprivation syndrome!

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
31 Jul 2010 2:58PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Wet Willy said...

puffin said...

Those are my symptoms exactly. I need treatment.

Windxtasy said...


as per Hardie's definition of Wind deficiency syndrome:

An affliction known to cause mood changes,
bouts of extreme boredom,
impulsive behaviours such as buying windsurfing
equipment which won't be used,
excessive internet use, negative thinking,
weight gain, lethargy, daydreaming,
and the occasional bout of interpersonal conflict.






There's only one cure for wind deprivation syndrome!


but sadly it's a bit hard to find at this time of year!

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
31 Jul 2010 3:08PM
Thumbs Up

Wet Willy said...

There's only one cure for wind deprivation syndrome!


I can think of two:

1) Beans
2) Onions

(Clearly I'm suffering as well )

slowboat
WA, 560 posts
31 Jul 2010 9:13PM
Thumbs Up

nebbian said...
2) Onions


Fried... well fried... these things are fun to eat before a long flight [}:)]

elmo
WA, 8868 posts
31 Jul 2010 9:30PM
Thumbs Up

slowboat said...

nebbian said...
2) Onions


Fried... well fried... these things are fun to eat before a long flight [}:)]


not if you've got the window seat



Subscribe
Reply

Forums > Windsurfing General


"Strangest fin ever seen, and it appears to work" started by puffin