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Severne Blade Adjustable Draft Position ?

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Created by Sambo # > 9 months ago, 13 Aug 2023
Sambo #
SA, 428 posts
13 Aug 2023 3:13PM
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I think this might be one of those occasions when Chat GPT has assumed a mind of its own and spat out some made up information. It would be good if this info was correct but I can't find any other info from anywhere else to confirm it so, again, what I just said above. FROM CHAT GPT:-

Where is the draft location on the Severne Blade ?As of my knowledge cutoff date in September 2021, the Severne Blade windsurfing sail is known for its adjustable draft position. This sail features Severne's "Slider Mast Panel" technology, which allows you to customize the draft location to suit your preferences and the conditions you're sailing in.

By adjusting the position of the slider on the mast panel, you can effectively control the draft location of the sail. Moving the slider up or down the mast changes the shape of the sail's profile, altering the position of the draft and influencing the sail's performance characteristics.

Keep in mind that sail designs and technologies can evolve over time, so there might have been updates or changes to the Severne Blade sail since my last knowledge update. For the most current and accurate information, I recommend checking with Severne Sails or consulting windsurfing forums and communities where enthusiasts discuss gear and equipment.

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
13 Aug 2023 7:03PM
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Don't know what that is.

as an aside all sails have adjustable drafts depending on how you rig them.

Mark _australia
WA, 23447 posts
13 Aug 2023 6:02PM
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Mast slider is probably downhaul so i think its pretty correct..... ?

PhilUK
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13 Aug 2023 8:08PM
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I wonder what AI thinks of Starboards "gravity control system"?

boardsurfr
WA, 2454 posts
13 Aug 2023 10:27PM
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I can't find anything that uses the term ChatGPT has used. As Mark pointed out, what's described is the effect of downhaul (and outhaul) moving the draft center. I think the wording used by ChatGPT is a clear indication that the bot has reached some level of consciousness - it starts making up his own theories and terms to explain things it read about. I'd say the "thinking" it shows in the answer is a few level above the "thinking" of those who believe in conspiracy theories like Pizzagate and microchips in COVID vaccines. Well, actually many levels about most microchip theory believers, considering they spend half the day looking at their little screens, where the governments could track their whereabouts, interests, and statements much more easily than would ever be possible with microchips in their blood.

Sambo #
SA, 428 posts
14 Aug 2023 8:06AM
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PhilUK said..
I wonder what AI thinks of Starboards "gravity control system"?


I just checked, it doesn't.

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
14 Aug 2023 7:21AM
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So AI (apparently the way of the future) invented a sail mod that never existed. Hmm. It's only a hop/skip/jump till it gets to inventing its own conspiracy theories.

I guess we're all doomed.

Imax1
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14 Aug 2023 11:11AM
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Subsonic said..
So AI (apparently the way of the future) invented a sail mod that never existed. Hmm. It's only a hop/skip/jump till it gets to inventing its own conspiracy theories.

I guess we're all doomed.



We definitely are doomed. I give us 200 years tops , at the rate we are going probably 100

Sambo #
SA, 428 posts
14 Aug 2023 12:12PM
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Subsonic said..
So AI (apparently the way of the future) invented a sail mod that never existed. Hmm. It's only a hop/skip/jump till it gets to inventing its own conspiracy theories.

I guess we're all doomed.

Could be the onset of the singularity

Basher
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14 Aug 2023 7:22PM
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I guess that AI could easily produce as confusing a reply to a question as we often see on internet forums.

Since I'm mostly a human being, I wondered how I would answer the question here.

The question was: "Where is the draft location on the Severne Blade ?"

The Chat GPT answer was that the draft location is 'variable'. But is that true, or indeed even helpful?

Here's my answer.
The 'draft' or 'draught' in a sail is its belly, so the fuller you set the sail the more draft it has. The draft position or location is where the fullness is deepest, or where the sail point is furthest from an imaginary line drawn along the boom, from mast to the boom end. This draft point often coincides with our harness line positions. The draft point might also be described as the 'point of drive'.

We use this term a lot to determine how powerful as sail is set, and whether the rig then drives forwards, or more side ways. With a wave sail, we often want more 'backhandedness' for down the line sailing, whereas we might prefer a more forward-pulling sail for blasting, jumping, or to help us stay upwind.

The draft location on most sails is about a third of the way back from the mast. If you were able to cut a cross section through the rig then you should get a shape which resembles an aerofoil, like a cross section through an aircraft wing, or showing an elliptical curve.
With a windsurf rig, fullness cut into the sail in front of the draft point helps the sail be forward-pulling, whereas a more flat entry at the luff panels often means the sail is more sideways pulling or more backhanded.

How does this then apply to the Severne Blade?
Of the two Severne wave sails, the Blade and the S-1, the Blade is more forward pulling and that's because it has a bit more shape in the luff panels which is held there by broadseaming. The centre of drive on the S-1 is set a bit further back, with a slightly different cut. At rest, laid on the beach, the Blade may appear to be flat, in terms of sail belly, but it's not - that's just the five battens making it look flat on the beach, and helping the sail depower in transitions.

With any rotational sail, you can flatten the rig with more downhaul and by adding outhaul, and that's one way to control the sail draft and the power created. If you add more downhaul that bends the mast more, which releases the leech at the head whilst also flattening the luff panels as the mast bend takes up the cut of the luff round. Broadseaming, cut in the luff panels, ensures that some fullness remains in the elliptical curve there, and that's what keeps the sail forward pulling. If there were no broad-steamed shape cut there, then the draft point would move aft, and the sail would become more sideways-pulling or more back-handed (and you'd need to shift your harness lines back a bit.).

When you add more downhaul to any sail, it's important to reset the outhaul, because the tension at the clew will have been slackened by the extra mast bend. A slack outhaul allows more belly or shape in the rear section of the sail, which then makes the sails more sideways pulling. Adding outhaul then re-establishes a flatter rear section to the lower leech of the sail, making the rig more forward-pulling again.

So in other words, you can make any wave sail a bit more backhanded by leaving the outhaul slack, and as such it is possible to move the draft point of any sail, using downhaul and outhaul. However, most sails when properly rigged have a consistent and non-moving draft point.


I guess there are so many words written here that my answer may sound as confusing as the Chat bot one. It's a complicated subject which probably needs diagrams to illustrate the explanation. But you can google 'sail draft' to see those.

The Severne Blade is NOT known for its 'adjustable draft position', so the Chat Bot was wrong here.

Mark _australia
WA, 23447 posts
14 Aug 2023 7:47PM
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I think you missed the point

Basher
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14 Aug 2023 10:12PM
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Mark _australia said..
I think you missed the point


I didn't. I was just bored.
I'm on holiday, and it's windless and raining.

SurferKris
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14 Aug 2023 11:39PM
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Sounds like Chat GPT has been reading too much on forums...



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