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Created by qwerty > 9 months ago, 29 Apr 2011
sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
14 Jun 2011 12:52PM
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Paul Kelf said...


Sausage, 40% is a lot of difference & should be pointed out to the shop, they may be un-aware of current overseas pricing, they might even have a good look at their pricing before they go broke




Paul,
Shops not shop .............

I won't list all the items and their cost comparison but as an example;
Chinook Carbon SDM 28cm extension - $188.95AUD (from Aus retailer), $108USD from the US retailer.
It's approximately the same percentage for all the items I purchased except the Neil Pryde vest which cost me $90USD as opposed to $130 here in OZ. Next time I might just supply a quote from the US retailer to an Aussie shop and see what they can do. I won't be changing my buying methods due to some emotive stance that buying offshore will cruel Australian Retailers. Australian retailers only cruel themselves by arrogantly believing their customers will continually pay incredible mark-up on products they can buy elsewhere much much cheaper.

As a professional in my own business I only probably get 1 in 5 projects quoted for due to price alone. I do not get bitter if someone choses another supplier due to cost and understand that this to be the nature of a competitive marketplace. Retailers have to understand that there is a whole new world economy and marketplace out there that has come about with the advent of the internet. Local retailers either can bury their head in the sand or catch up with the demands of their customers.

PS - My gear was mailed from the US on Friday, passed through Australian Customs yesterday and is due here tomorrow. When I buy gear from WA it takes longer than this.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
14 Jun 2011 1:46PM
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now whilst I'm on my high horse I can recall sometime ago I called a WA windsurf retailer (who will remain nameless) who I had purchased through on no less than 3 occassions. I queried whether they could send some photos of a proto type second hand sail they had advertised.

The guy I spoke to intimated in no uncertain terms that it was too much of a hassle and to look at said sail manufacturer's website if I wanted to see a photo. Now it goes without saying I have never bought anything again from them and when I read this www.27bslash6.com/f4s.html from David Thorne it reminded me of them.

choco
SA, 4175 posts
14 Jun 2011 1:57PM
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Paul Kelf said...

SWS said...

why pay $1000 for a new sail when you can buy one of a different brand for $700 which some would say a better sail from a online shop.


Here's one reason

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/Help-2011-73-Switch-Blade/

Everyone will at some time take a chance & buy on the net, that's ok but don't complain when it goes pear shaped.

At the end of the day you decide if the retailer is fair with their pricing & whether you get the service to justify the additional cost.


So Kel found it hard to rig the SwitchBlade on his current mast, did he contact the supplier with regards to what options he has?
Without having a physical store as such the after market service( of windsurfing sales) is second to none and the ability to ask Monty questions directly about his sails goes without saying.
Seems that local shop owners are getting abit narky and try to make a big thing about any incident that involves gear purchased on line, i'm sure there are sailors out there who have had run ins with local shops and have never returned.
I purchase allmy gear on line and from Australian retailers;

Windsurfing sales
Surf Sail
Windsurfing Shed

These guys have great online stores which are easy to navigate and products which are in stock, being out in the country i'm not going to drive 2+ hours to my local shop with the odds that what I want isn't on the shelf.
Unless the current retailers come up with a better business model then the windsurfing side will disappear, no use in pointing the finger at the online resellers they are meeting the needs and expectations of todays sailors who are getting sick of paying over inflated prices on some goods.

Paul Kelf
WA, 678 posts
14 Jun 2011 1:30PM
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choco said...

Paul Kelf said...

SWS said...

why pay $1000 for a new sail when you can buy one of a different brand for $700 which some would say a better sail from a online shop.


Here's one reason

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/Help-2011-73-Switch-Blade/

Everyone will at some time take a chance & buy on the net, that's ok but don't complain when it goes pear shaped.

At the end of the day you decide if the retailer is fair with their pricing & whether you get the service to justify the additional cost.


So Kel found it hard to rig the SwitchBlade on his current mast, did he contact the supplier with regards to what options he has? Without having a physical store as such the after market service( of windsurfing sales) is second to none and the ability to ask Monty questions directly about his sails goes without saying.
Seems that local shop owners are getting abit narky and try to make a big thing about any incident that involves gear purchased on line, i'm sure there are sailors out there who have had run ins with local shops and have never returned.
I purchase allmy gear on line and from Australian retailers;

Windsurfing sales
Surf Sail
Windsurfing Shed

These guys have great online stores which are easy to navigate and products which are in stock, being out in the country i'm not going to drive 2+ hours to my local shop with the odds that what I want isn't on the shelf.
Unless the current retailers come up with a better business model then the windsurfing side will disappear, no use in pointing the finger at the online resellers they are meeting the needs and expectations of todays sailors who are getting sick of paying over inflated prices on some goods.



Exactly my point, why is the shop/supplier not sorting the problem for him.
Maybe he didn't ask the shop/supplier, I don't know but like I said that would be my first call before I started cutting cams etc.

I am not defending retailers, I am just saying that they should be able to justify the additional cost whether it be after sales service or the chance to demo gear or whatever.

I can see that they are probably caught out at the moment with stock they purchased at high prices, it's always hard to take a hit.
The shops would have to weigh that up against losing more customers because their prices are too high.

People should probably be more open with the shops & explain their reasons for buying elsewhere, surely it could only build a better relationship and you might get some bargains


choco
SA, 4175 posts
14 Jun 2011 3:31PM
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Paul Kelf said...

choco said...

Paul Kelf said...

SWS said...

why pay $1000 for a new sail when you can buy one of a different brand for $700 which some would say a better sail from a online shop.


Here's one reason

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/Help-2011-73-Switch-Blade/

Everyone will at some time take a chance & buy on the net, that's ok but don't complain when it goes pear shaped.

At the end of the day you decide if the retailer is fair with their pricing & whether you get the service to justify the additional cost.


So Kel found it hard to rig the SwitchBlade on his current mast, did he contact the supplier with regards to what options he has? Without having a physical store as such the after market service( of windsurfing sales) is second to none and the ability to ask Monty questions directly about his sails goes without saying.
Seems that local shop owners are getting abit narky and try to make a big thing about any incident that involves gear purchased on line, i'm sure there are sailors out there who have had run ins with local shops and have never returned.
I purchase allmy gear on line and from Australian retailers;

Windsurfing sales
Surf Sail
Windsurfing Shed

These guys have great online stores which are easy to navigate and products which are in stock, being out in the country i'm not going to drive 2+ hours to my local shop with the odds that what I want isn't on the shelf.
Unless the current retailers come up with a better business model then the windsurfing side will disappear, no use in pointing the finger at the online resellers they are meeting the needs and expectations of todays sailors who are getting sick of paying over inflated prices on some goods.



Exactly my point, why is the shop/supplier not sorting the problem for him.
Maybe he didn't ask the shop/supplier, I don't know but like I said that would be my first call before I started cutting cams etc.

I am not defending retailers, I am just saying that they should be able to justify the additional cost whether it be after sales service or the chance to demo gear or whatever.

I can see that they are probably caught out at the moment with stock they purchased at high prices, it's always hard to take a hit.
The shops would have to weigh that up against losing more customers because their prices are too high.

People should probably be more open with the shops & explain their reasons for buying elsewhere, surely it could only build a better relationship and you might get some bargains





Hopefully the problem has been sorted,
In regards to prices checking on line I can buy 3 - 2011 race sails online delivered to my door for $2587, buying the same amount of sails(same sizes well known brand) from a shop it would cost me $5,816 + delivery, the gap between the two is too great, there's enough info online to find what I need in terms of questions with regards to any rigging problems etc.

Anyway enough of this crap lets enjoy what we like and that is sailing wether you turn up in a ferrari with roof racks and have all the latest gear or rock up in an old Hk Holden we still have the same amount of fun!

WINDY MILLER
WA, 3183 posts
14 Jun 2011 2:05PM
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u can still get good prices over here

i picked up a new dakine harness, a couple of months ago, from a smaller WA windsurf shop, that seems to be having a year round 50% sale


still haven't used it yet, 'kin 'ell

Jman
VIC, 881 posts
14 Jun 2011 6:13PM
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sausage said...
Retailers have to understand that there is a whole new world economy and marketplace out there that has come about with the advent of the internet. Local retailers either can bury their head in the sand or catch up with the demands of their customers.



Unfortunatly it is not a level playing field through out the world, we have nearly killed off manufacturing in Australia now we want to stick the knife into retailers even the ones we love.

DrJ
ACT, 481 posts
14 Jun 2011 7:11PM
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Yaaaaawwn !

Yes, everyone knows that stuff appears to be cheaper overseas, please get over it, as discussed many many times here there are pros and cons associated with buying mail order, but works for some doesn't for others yadda yadda yadda ....

Just do it, or don't its up to you, but I for one am sick to death of this topic which has been thrashed to death.

Carantoc
WA, 7173 posts
14 Jun 2011 5:55PM
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For the same reasons as above I am no longer going to speak English. There are over 250,000 distinct words in English but only 340 in Taki Taki.

Now that is a big difference and I don't know how English speakers justify the riducously inflated vocabulary.

Why should I put up with listening to Australians banging on in an increadible number of words when I can go phone Taki Taki land and listen to only 340.

Sorry, but the difference it too great. World communication is changing and I am going to change with it.

Kuneti

Waterloo
QLD, 1497 posts
14 Jun 2011 11:22PM
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Carantoc said...

For the same reasons as above I am no longer going to speak English. There are over 250,000 distinct words in English but only 340 in Taki Taki.

Now that is a big difference and I don't know how English speakers justify the riducously inflated vocabulary.

Why should I put up with listening to Australians banging on in an increadible number of words when I can go phone Taki Taki land and listen to only 340.

Sorry, but the difference it too great. World communication is changing and I am going to change with it.

Kuneti


"Ganta" for that

hardpole
WA, 604 posts
15 Jun 2011 10:14PM
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mi fadon gron lafu

Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
15 Jun 2011 10:43PM
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"Sailing gear from US"

Its a bloody long way to sail gear from the USA !

thats up there with

"us ships head to somalia"

and

"police cant stop gambling"

Waterloo
QLD, 1497 posts
16 Jun 2011 1:32AM
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Reflex Films said...

"Sailing gear from US"

Its a bloody long way to sail gear from the USA !

thats up there with

"us ships head to somalia"

and

"police cant stop gambling"




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GazMan
WA, 847 posts
16 Jun 2011 12:07AM
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Waterloo said...

Reflex Films said...

"Sailing gear from US"

Its a bloody long way to sail gear from the USA !

thats up there with

"us ships head to somalia"

and

"police cant stop gambling"




New Study of Obesity Looks for Larger Test Group

Man Struck By Lightning: Faces Battery Charge

Typhoon Rips Through Cemetery; Hundreds Dead

Red Tape Holds Up New Bridges !

Is There a Ring of Debris around Uranus?

Good one!!!!

Must be late and time for shuteye, had to think twice to get that one!

bc
QLD, 706 posts
16 Jun 2011 10:12AM
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Interesting thread guys, Being a shop owner you could say I am Bias, I too think that the RRP in Australia are too high, these are set my the importers who bump it up to try and "trick" the shops into the fact they we will make more money so therefore buy more of them. Personally next year I will be making a large change and not following these so called retail prices.

The main problem we have is winter, my business turn over after Easter drops by 80 % !!!!! until September so I loose money big time for 5 months

So this year I thought I would offer 40% off all items in stock , advertised this with the local club , made up vouchers . Sold One naish Hoodie !!!!!!!!

stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
16 Jun 2011 8:38AM
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bc said...
The main problem we have is winter, my business turn over after Easter drops by 80 % !!!!! until September so I loose money big time for 5 months


You raise an interesting point here... Australia is pretty much the first market in the world to get their stock. Try and get hold of a 2012 board or sail in September from Europe or the US. Fat chance! At that time the distributors are still clearing out their 2011 stock. From my experience 2012 stock (read the following seasons stock) doesn't arrive in numbers until about January / February. That pretty much is almost the end of our summer season here.

Another point, I have heard now from a few sources that the US will get hammered with price increases next season. I am guessing this is a direct result of the US Fed flooding the market with US$ in an effort to try and devalue their currency. Remember that despite what the tabloids tell you the AU$ is so high because of the US monetary policy. I wouldn't be surprised if the prices for imported non-mass consumer products in the US go up by 20% towards the end of the year.

This will be great for custom shops like Quattro, Hawaii, Chinook and Steamlined who all manufacture in the US.

choco
SA, 4175 posts
16 Jun 2011 12:06PM
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bc said...

Interesting thread guys, Being a shop owner you could say I am Bias, I too think that the RRP in Australia are too high, these are set my the importers who bump it up to try and "trick" the shops into the fact they we will make more money so therefore buy more of them. Personally next year I will be making a large change and not following these so called retail prices.

The main problem we have is winter, my business turn over after Easter drops by 80 % !!!!! until September so I loose money big time for 5 months

So this year I thought I would offer 40% off all items in stock , advertised this with the local club , made up vouchers . Sold One naish Hoodie !!!!!!!!


Simon at least your proactive! I thought you imported your own stock in from overseas?
ps love the Falcon 85

Paul Kelf
WA, 678 posts
16 Jun 2011 11:47AM
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I can buy 3 - 2011 race sails online delivered to my door for $2587, buying the same amount of sails(same sizes well known brand) from a shop it would cost me $5,816 + delivery,

Anyway enough of this crap


Exactly, you are obviously quoting extremes here.

That sort of comparison is just pointless.
Most brands & shops have comparative prices, even to the on-line stores.
Compare apples with apples.

I was discussing this last weekend on the beach with a retailer whilst actually trying a sail before deciding whether to buy it or not.
Seeing if it rigs right on my existing mast etc.
I also got to try 3 new 2012 boards, not for 5 minutes either, I had them all weekend.

Now there's a new concept, DEMO GEAR, feel it, touch it, try it, get shown how to rig it correctly.

How would that work with on-line shopping?
Oh yeah that's that risky bit again

bc
QLD, 706 posts
16 Jun 2011 1:53PM
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Simon at least your proactive! I thought you imported your own stock in from overseas?


Only boards and more stuff but now expanded to starboard servene, I just feel that you have to be competitiive and I do not believe any board is worth $3000 or any sail $2000 !!!! It looks like next year will be interesting

choco
SA, 4175 posts
16 Jun 2011 2:04PM
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Paul Kelf said...




I can buy 3 - 2011 race sails online delivered to my door for $2587, buying the same amount of sails(same sizes well known brand) from a shop it would cost me $5,816 + delivery,

Anyway enough of this crap


Exactly, you are obviously quoting extremes here.

That sort of comparison is just pointless.
Most brands & shops have comparative prices, even to the on-line stores.
Compare apples with apples.

I was discussing this last weekend on the beach with a retailer whilst actually trying a sail before deciding whether to buy it or not.
Seeing if it rigs right on my existing mast etc.
I also got to try 3 new 2012 boards, not for 5 minutes either, I had them all weekend.

Now there's a new concept, DEMO GEAR, feel it, touch it, try it, get shown how to rig it correctly.

How would that work with on-line shopping?
Oh yeah that's that risky bit again



You guys are loyal to your local shops which is great hope the thrive for years to come and if I had 5+ stores to shop around with in easy driving distance I'll be visiting them as well to see if they can match what I can buy on line.
Simon has seen what is happening in the market and by the sounds will be using a more competitive business model other than the antiquated style of doing business in windsurfing.
As for race sails not quoting extremes but merely pointing out the gear which I use, freeride/wave don't know about so can't comment.
Thats great about trying new gear, any shop feel free to send me the lastest boards to try, slalom/speed range! Barmera, South Australia 5345,Remi at the Windsurfing shed had no problem sending me out demo boards to test...try weeks!
as for rigging plenty of info on the net, direct from the designers/developers




SWS
SA, 196 posts
16 Jun 2011 2:14PM
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It seems prices are on the rise my guess is there may be as much as a 30% rise in the price of windsurfing gear over the next 6 months.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
16 Jun 2011 2:50PM
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Hey Choco, when you're finished demo'ing them send the gear onto Yeppoon and I'll give a test run as well.

Paul,
I would love to be able to demo gear but unfortunately I have to buy all my gear on (peer and industry) reviews and recommendations alone. Seabreeze is a perfect medium to be able to do this too.

bc
QLD, 706 posts
16 Jun 2011 3:45PM
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Just working on pricing now will be lower than last year

Paul Kelf
WA, 678 posts
16 Jun 2011 1:48PM
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sausage said...

Hey Choco, when you're finished demo'ing them send the gear onto Yeppoon and I'll give a test run as well.

Paul,
I would love to be able to demo gear but unfortunately I have to buy all my gear on (peer and industry) reviews and recommendations alone. Seabreeze is a perfect medium to be able to do this too.




Sausage, give Remi a call, in fact why don't we all give him a call & demo some kit

Seriously though, you two probably don't have a choice but again pretty extreme cases due to your locations.

The average person in town should appreciate what service is available to them at minimal additional cost.

R1DER
WA, 1471 posts
18 Jun 2011 3:34PM
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As mentioned in another thread I was speaking to Paul from 2nd wind the 100 rrd quad cult will be $2450 for 2012! prices will be less this year due to the good US dollar, the limited construction rrds will be $2150.
I don't think you could get a decent 2012 board from the US inc postage in one piece for that price.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8224 posts
18 Jun 2011 6:05PM
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sboardcrazy said...

stehsegler said...

laurie said...
Like a country town, if you buy your petrol in another district, pretty soon your own district won't have its own petrol station.


Laurie,

I agree that people should support their local shop when ever they can. After all it's a bit hard to test the latest board / sail if your shop is web based and on the other side of the world.

However, I think your example about the local town doesn't apply. I have just lived in a country town where the local super market and gas station engage in what can only be called blatant price gouging.

I think the windsurf market in OZ is slightly different. The big factors for pricing are volume and exchange rate. Given that shops / importers will need to order a product several months before they end up in the shop the exchange rate can change quite considerably.

Back to the original question...

I know Neil Pryde Maui will ship internationally. However, for anything bigger than a fin or harness the price of shipping usually negates any exchange rate savings. Then there is the big question of warranty. I don't know about windsurf gear but for a lot of electronics equipment the warranty is only valid for the market where the product was sold.


What happens if something is faulty? Warranty would be easier to cover if you bought locally.I suppose if you live miles from any shop you'd still pay freight but I'd feel safer buying Aust rather than O/seas..

Well I just bought some horse hoofboots from the Us as the type that fit his foot shape are out of production and the Usa was the only place I could find some .( I don't put shoes on him as its too expensive especially as I only ride once a week.). They didn't have all new ones in the sizes I needed so they chucked in a 2nd hand one for free..
As a result Customs have seized the boots and the choice is destroy, sterilize ( $180 + 3week wait ) or return..[}:)][}:)]Well you can't get them anywhere else so I suppose I haven't got much choice..So I don't know if this would apply to any used sailing gear but it might be something to check out.Like I said I'd feel safer buying from Aus. The seller has been good but I can do without the hassle..[}:)]

DrJ
ACT, 481 posts
18 Jun 2011 6:07PM
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R1DER said...

As mentioned in another thread I was speaking to Paul from 2nd wind the 100 rrd quad cult will be $2450 for 2012! prices will be less this year due to the good US dollar, the limited construction rrds will be $2150.
I don't think you could get a decent 2012 board from the US inc postage in one piece for that price.



Sweet, I have also noticed that windsurfsnow, according to website will match any price, if you provide you provide a quote that includes shipping, fees and so on. So clearly this thread is finished as the objections raised against national prices is moot.



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