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Sail and fin choices for windsurfer, RS:ONE

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Created by oldcodger > 9 months ago, 29 Jan 2012
oldcodger
VIC, 5 posts
29 Jan 2012 6:33PM
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Recently purchased RS:ONE package which comes with a 7.8 sail (twin cam)and a 48 cm fin. I would like to know what range of sails ( non cam) would be suitable for this board for wind conditions 10 knots to 25 knots and fin sizes to suit. I live on the lakes at Mallacoota Vic and there are many areas that are quite shallow which makes things a little difficult with a 48 cm fin. I am a novice to windsurfing and would appreciate any possitive feedback.[:)

Jman
VIC, 881 posts
29 Jan 2012 7:27PM
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Im not an expert on race boards but have sailed the RS-1 a couple of times,
I dont think you would benifit much buy puting a smaller sail or fin on that sort of board as it is designed for a wide range of conditions the way it is. If you put a smaller fin in it for shallow water I wouldnt think it would track very well unless you had the dagger board down and then you would still have a depth problem anyway.
An adjustable outhaul would be an advantage if you dont already have one.

WindmanV
VIC, 788 posts
29 Jan 2012 7:46PM
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Hello OC,

I don???t think there are too many RS 1???s about at this stage, so you are going to have to experiment. I sail an 85cm-wide, semi-Formula board and I can tell you that with a powered 6.0m sail, the board does not feel ???in balance???. Do-able, but not a good feel. Definitely made to be sailed with about a minimum of a 7.5m sail in powered conditions.

At about 18 knots, my board begins to fly off the face of waves (here in the Bay) due to the wide nose, wide tail and the speed it is going at. Would not recommend this for you and, sailing on a lake, you may never experience it, anyway.

There is no reason why you could not use smaller-than-a 6.0, particularly if you are still learning. The smaller sails are easier to uphaul than larger sizes. Suggest you try and get non-cammed sails but watch your boom and mast length because the smaller sails may not fit. Similarly with the larger sizes that you may consider, but I think that at 20-25 knots (real, NOT estimated), you???ll find the board a handful. On sails, for correct rigging, you???ll probably find that you are locked into recent NP sails. Other-brand sails WILL work, but may look terrible on land.

For fin sizes, you might try here: http://www.select-hydrofoils.com/en/selector/fanatic-falcon/ (I think the Falcon is the closest you may get to your board). You might also hunt around on the web to find out if others are sailing in shallow water, and if so, what size fins they use. Maybe a second-hand fin is the way to go?

Finally, you might also consider a Chinook downhaul tool shown here: www.chinooksailing.com/products/index.php?cPath=6_66. The high downhaul force for the 7.8 sail can wreck your back if you use the tug cleats shown below them (and if you get a tool, make sure it fits the bottom of your mast extension). Nowadays, I tend to use the tool starting at 6.7 and going up.

Hope this helps.

oldcodger
VIC, 5 posts
30 Jan 2012 7:38AM
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Jman said...

Im not an expert on race boards but have sailed the RS-1 a couple of times,
I dont think you would benifit much buy puting a smaller sail or fin on that sort of board as it is designed for a wide range of conditions the way it is. If you put a smaller fin in it for shallow water I wouldnt think it would track very well unless you had the dagger board down and then you would still have a depth problem anyway.
An adjustable outhaul would be an advantage if you dont already have one.


Thx Jman,
The reason for wanting smaller fin is to enable cruising round the number of small islands in the lake where you need to track in narrow channels and shallow waters, this is generally done in light winds. Was not a huge problem when using the old style "Wally" that I have been learning on for the past few seasons. Perhaps may go back to it for the "cruising times". Will also look into the adjustable outhaul and whether it would benifit me at this point in my learning curve :-)

oldcodger
VIC, 5 posts
30 Jan 2012 8:14AM
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WindmanV said...

Hello OC,

I don???t think there are too many RS 1???s about at this stage, so you are going to have to experiment. I sail an 85cm-wide, semi-Formula board and I can tell you that with a powered 6.0m sail, the board does not feel ???in balance???. Do-able, but not a good feel. Definitely made to be sailed with about a minimum of a 7.5m sail in powered conditions.

At about 18 knots, my board begins to fly off the face of waves (here in the Bay) due to the wide nose, wide tail and the speed it is going at. Would not recommend this for you and, sailing on a lake, you may never experience it, anyway.

There is no reason why you could not use smaller-than-a 6.0, particularly if you are still learning. The smaller sails are easier to uphaul than larger sizes. Suggest you try and get non-cammed sails but watch your boom and mast length because the smaller sails may not fit. Similarly with the larger sizes that you may consider, but I think that at 20-25 knots (real, NOT estimated), you???ll find the board a handful. On sails, for correct rigging, you???ll probably find that you are locked into recent NP sails. Other-brand sails WILL work, but may look terrible on land.

For fin sizes, you might try here: http://www.select-hydrofoils.com/en/selector/fanatic-falcon/ (I think the Falcon is the closest you may get to your board). You might also hunt around on the web to find out if others are sailing in shallow water, and if so, what size fins they use. Maybe a second-hand fin is the way to go?

Finally, you might also consider a Chinook downhaul tool shown here: www.chinooksailing.com/products/index.php?cPath=6_66. The high downhaul force for the 7.8 sail can wreck your back if you use the tug cleats shown below them (and if you get a tool, make sure it fits the bottom of your mast extension). Nowadays, I tend to use the tool starting at 6.7 and going up.

Hope this helps.



Thx WindmanV,
This is a totally different style of board and rig to what I have been used to since taking up the sport a few seasons ago from sailing an old style "wally" with a non cam 6.5 sail to what I have now. However, I am excited with the performance of the outfit in the few times I have sailed it and look forward to experimenting with it.
Was rigging up yesterday when a fella offered me the use of his Chinook downhaul tool impressed me enough to go ahead and order one. I will take on board the info you have provided and keep asking questions. Thx again WindmanV :-D

legless
SA, 852 posts
30 Jan 2012 7:52AM
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oldcodger said...

Recently purchased RS:ONE package which comes with a 7.8 sail (twin cam)and a 48 cm fin. I would like to know what range of sails ( non cam) would be suitable for this board for wind conditions 10 knots to 25 knots and fin sizes to suit. I live on the lakes at Mallacoota Vic and there are many areas that are quite shallow which makes things a little difficult with a 48 cm fin. I am a novice to windsurfing and would appreciate any possitive feedback.[:)


For sub planning cruising you just need a shorter freeride fin being a power box you have a few options. Likewise for sails if you are just looking to cruise around you just need a sail in the 5-5-6.5 range no cam or semi soft for comfort.

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
30 Jan 2012 12:05PM
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I'm pretty ignorant on these issues, but my logical side suggests to me that a weed fin of the same/similar surface area would provide the same lateral resistance whilst requiring less depth of water to accomplish this. I see that the "centre of lateral resistance" would be moved aft, but the whole rig (centre of effort) can be moved an inch(ish) aft to counter this.

Does this this make any sense, or am I way out of my depth?



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