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Rigging to stay upwind

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Created by knot board > 9 months ago, 22 Dec 2007
knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
22 Dec 2007 11:57AM
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My last session at Burrum I found I was fighting Wind, tide and waves just to maintain ground.

Assuming full planing conditions, what specific changes to rigging can be made to aid upwind ability?

There seem to be so many tuning variables involved, can someone give me the magic formula?

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
22 Dec 2007 11:03AM
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Tip that Firiebob gave me was : hang body weight forward in harness, more back foot pressure, with 555's added tip: keep board flat (press down on toes) rake sail back, and don't try to blast upwind at a great rate, just work at it at a steady speed.
If your out and some guns are sailing, just watch them for 20 mins while you take a breather, (they make it look easy as ) and see how they go about it.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
22 Dec 2007 11:34AM
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As Mineral said, lean forward, rake sail back.

Tuning tips:
More outhaul (flatter sail), bigger fin.

CJW
NSW, 1726 posts
22 Dec 2007 1:44PM
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Depends entirely on the setup you're sailing. Formula for example you want power, back foot pressure and a big fin to create the upwind drive. With wave/freestyle stuff and small fins it's entirely different. I sail with a lot more front foot pressure than usual, rig not as raked and a lot of windward rail in the water to 'edge' the board upwind as the fin just isn't big enough to provide the lift if you sail it like a slalom/formula board.

knot board
QLD, 1241 posts
22 Dec 2007 12:48PM
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Thanks nebbie, commiserations about the break in.
What about harness line position, does a little further forward help?
And mast foot position?

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
22 Dec 2007 2:11PM
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sounds like an adjustable outhaul could be th go.

P.C_simpson
WA, 1490 posts
22 Dec 2007 4:49PM
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i'd have to say more outhaul to tighten up the leach, in the surf you can ride waves upwind and tack off before they close out, them you can gain heaps of hight fast, then bear away on the big ones.

DavMen
NSW, 1508 posts
22 Dec 2007 10:13PM
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nebbian said...

As Mineral said, lean forward, rake sail back.

Tuning tips:
More outhaul (flatter sail), bigger fin.


So is it fair to say that?
if you struggling to stay upwind,
it is better to? have a larger sail fully outhauled than a slightly smaller sail bagged out?
even when taking into account the huge claimed range of the newer generation sails???

Does mast track postion come into play at all???




decrepit
WA, 12761 posts
22 Dec 2007 8:28PM
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I think in most cases a big flat sail, (not necessarily, just outhaul give it enough downhaul as well)
will have it's center of effort further forward than a bagged out small sail, who's center of effort will be further back in the sail, giving more sideways drag, overpowering the fin.
The other thing to watch out for is oversheeting, that's part of the effect of leaning forward, not only does it help to get more rail in the water, it also lets the sail sheet out a little.
I'm not convinced about engaging the windward rail, that make the board want to turn upwind sure, but it's not a good trim position, adds more drag, forces you to lean the sail forward, killing some speed.
I prefer to engage the leeward rail, although that makes the board want to go downwind a bit, raking the sail back further counteracts that, doesn't affect the trim and speed as much.

I had a boom failure yesterday, the arm adjustment slipped on one side, had a very surprising affect, the sail really bagged out on the starboard tack, but was almost normal on port, the difference in ability to get upwind was very pronounced, just didn't want to happen on starboard.

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
22 Dec 2007 8:46PM
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DavMen said...


if you struggling to stay upwind,
it is better to? have a larger sail fully outhauled than a slightly smaller sail bagged out?
even when taking into account the huge claimed range of the newer generation sails???

Does mast track postion come into play at all???


You must be well powered, so if you're struggling to get planing you're always going to have trouble getting upwind fast. In that case it might be better to bag your sail out until you hop on the plane easily... but all other things being equal, a bigger flatter sail should get you upwind quicker than a smaller bagged out sail.

To be honest I've had more success with putting in a bigger fin than mucking around with outhaul, but the racers always talk about adjustable outhauls, and pulling the sail tight for the upwind leg.



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