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Created by olskool > 9 months ago, 6 Apr 2017
olskool
QLD, 2459 posts
6 Apr 2017 9:58AM
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Hi Guys, just wondering top speeds of any IMCO sailors?I regularly get to 25kts using ol 7.2m aerotech in choppy conditions. Whats your max guys?

BSN101
WA, 2374 posts
6 Apr 2017 5:30PM
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23.958knts today Equipe2 Carbon NP EVO7 7.8.

My gasket has disowned the board again so certainly could do faster.

azuli
QLD, 366 posts
6 Apr 2017 7:42PM
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25kns on my F2 lightning with NP Evo5 7.8 in 20+ kns on rough water.
24.5kns on my Phantom 377 with Demon 8.5 in 20+ kns on smooth water.

Magic Ride
719 posts
7 Apr 2017 5:52AM
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That doesn't seem very fast for a race board. My best reading has been 33.021 knots on my 115L Naish Starship with a 6.0 sail. And my board isn't a race board. Shouldn't race boards be going in the 40 plus knot range?

Roo
876 posts
7 Apr 2017 6:15AM
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Magic Ride said..
That doesn't seem very fast for a race board. My best reading has been 33.021 knots on my 115L Naish Starship with a 6.0 sail. And my board isn't a race board. Shouldn't race boards be going in the 40 plus knot range?



Magic you may want to do a bit of googling before you hit the send key next time. Try IMCO, Race Board, Equipe2, F2 Lightning, Phantom 377 to start. You may then realise you look like a bit of a twat when you post knowing nothing about the subject matter. I'll spot you a six pack of beer if you can do 33 knots on the Starship in the Gorge and produce the GPS track to prove it.

John340
QLD, 3363 posts
7 Apr 2017 9:02AM
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Magic Ride said..
That doesn't seem very fast for a race board. My best reading has been 33.021 knots on my 115L Naish Starship with a 6.0 sail. And my board isn't a race board. Shouldn't race boards be going in the 40 plus knot range?


A raceboard is typically 380cm long, between 230 and 300 litres in volume and weigh 14 to 20kgs. They are sailed with 9.5m2 closed leach cam sails. The is no comparison with your 115lit Starship.

BSN101
WA, 2374 posts
7 Apr 2017 7:29AM
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Do Starships have gaskets for their centre boards?

joe windsurf
1482 posts
7 Apr 2017 8:51AM
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guess magic mixed up race and speed boards
from what i am reading ....
25 knots is attainable by us mortals
and the windsurf gods can creep just over 30 knots !!!
http://www.star-board.com/2012/news_events/read.php?post_name=gps-speedsurfing-on-a-raceboard

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
7 Apr 2017 8:52AM
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Roo said..

Magic Ride said..
That doesn't seem very fast for a race board. My best reading has been 33.021 knots on my 115L Naish Starship with a 6.0 sail. And my board isn't a race board. Shouldn't race boards be going in the 40 plus knot range?




Magic you may want to do a bit of googling before you hit the send key next time. Try IMCO, Race Board, Equipe2, F2 Lightning, Phantom 377 to start. You may then realise you look like a bit of a twat when you post knowing nothing about the subject matter. I'll spot you a six pack of beer if you can do 33 knots on the Starship in the Gorge and produce the GPS track to prove it.


In fairness, to the uninitiated, it is not ridiculous to assume that the boards used for most racing (Slalom, Defi Wind, LOC etc) could be referred to as "race boards", and these boards are indeed very much faster than 25 knots.

Probably "longboard" is a more apt description for a "traditional" race board.

So I reckon you are correct Magic Ride; no piss-taking required. The fastest speed achieved on a (slalom) race board, attached to the feet of someone Antoine Albeau or Pierre Mortefon would be well north of 40!

Sparky
WA, 1122 posts
7 Apr 2017 9:01AM
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You have a very fair, kind manner aus1111. You must be very good with your kids.

Chris 249
NSW, 3515 posts
7 Apr 2017 11:49AM
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Last time I raced Raceboards, about 7 years ago, the guys who finished about 3rd and 7th in the nationals were reporting peaks of 29 and 30+ knots if I recall correctly.

AUS65
WA, 25 posts
7 Apr 2017 10:04AM
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Mistral IMCO with 7.4 IMCO rig, last time out 27.4 knots, previously have had 29. Don't generally sail the board over 18 knots unless gusty or out with BSN101 in the bay. A fellow long boarder on an equipe in Perth with a 7.5 has claimed over 30 knots but in flat water off Point Walter. I find the IMCO faster top end than my Superlight 2.

Magic Ride
719 posts
7 Apr 2017 10:51AM
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Haaa,

I knew I'd get old Roosters attenntion! My GPS and weather reports all measure wind in MPH, so I always have to GOOGLE the conversion share to get my Knots correct. Now, in MPH, my best speed on my 115L Naish Starship was 38 MPH. 38 MPH converted into knots is 33.021. The average speed for a board like mine would be high 20s to lower 30 MPH range. So yes, I'm in spec here, so what's the issue? This speed of 38 MPH was achieved not on the Columbia Gorge, but at Klamath Lake. I tell ya, I'm gonna post some epic pics of my sessions here to show ya how perfect these conditions are here. Stay tooned!
My top top speed would most likely not be attainable at the Columbia Gorge, because of the large swell. On average here, the swell is 1-2 feet high with 12-14 knots of wind.

BSN101
WA, 2374 posts
7 Apr 2017 11:24AM
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Mistral IMCO with 7.4 IMCO rig, last time out 27.4 knots, previously have had 29. Don't generally sail the board over 18 knots unless gusty or out with BSN101 in the bay. A fellow long boarder on an equipe in Perth with a 7.5 has claimed over 30 knots but in flat water off Point Walter. I find the IMCO faster top end than my Superlight 2.

Stats from 2yrs ago mean nothing

Sparky
WA, 1122 posts
7 Apr 2017 11:28AM
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Magic Ride said..
Haaa,

I knew I'd get old Roosters attenntion! My GPS and weather reports all measure wind in MPH, so I always have to GOOGLE the conversion share to get my Knots correct. Now, in MPH, my best speed on my 115L Naish Starship was 38 MPH. 38 MPH converted into knots is 33.021. The average speed for a board like mine would be high 20s to lower 30 MPH range. So yes, I'm in spec here, so what's the issue? This speed of 38 MPH was achieved not on the Columbia Gorge, but at Klamath Lake. I tell ya, I'm gonna post some epic pics of my sessions here to show ya how perfect these conditions are here. Stay tooned!
My top top speed would most likely not be attainable at the Columbia Gorge, because of the large swell. On average here, the swell is 1-2 feet high with 12-14 knots of wind.


And the digging continues, deeper and deeper and.......

olskool
QLD, 2459 posts
7 Apr 2017 3:54PM
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Hmmm, seems 22-25kts is reasonably easy to achieve in 18kts wind. Whats the secret in getting to 30kts? At 25kts boardspeed im back in the straps with not much board in the water. Not much flat water when the wind gets up where i sail. So its sheet in n hang on as the IMCO lifts n bucks in the gusts. Gotta find some flat water..... locally. My goal 30kts.

John340
QLD, 3363 posts
7 Apr 2017 4:03PM
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olskool said..
Hmmm, seems 22-25kts is reasonably easy to achieve in 18kts wind. Whats the secret in getting to 30kts? At 25kts boardspeed im back in the straps with not much board in the water. Not much flat water when the wind gets up where i sail. So its sheet in n hang on as the IMCO lifts n bucks in the gusts. Gotta find some flat water..... locally. My goal 30kts.


Come to Wellington point in a NEer. I'd love to see a Raceboard come down the bank in full flight

clarence
TAS, 979 posts
7 Apr 2017 6:57PM
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I have got 23.9 knots on my IMCO, in open ocean conditions (which is what I sail mostly). Very rare that I use a GPS. I would think 30 knots in "ideal" smooth water conditions would be achieveable.

Clarence

bc
QLD, 706 posts
7 Apr 2017 7:45PM
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By best is 29.6 on a Phantom 377 with a severne overdrive 8.6 on a lake

Shifu
QLD, 1992 posts
7 Apr 2017 7:56PM
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Magic Ride said..
Haaa,

I knew I'd get old Roosters attenntion! My GPS and weather reports all measure wind in MPH, so I always have to GOOGLE the conversion share to get my Knots correct. Now, in MPH, my best speed on my 115L Naish Starship was 38 MPH. 38 MPH converted into knots is 33.021. The average speed for a board like mine would be high 20s to lower 30 MPH range. So yes, I'm in spec here, so what's the issue? This speed of 38 MPH was achieved not on the Columbia Gorge, but at Klamath Lake. I tell ya, I'm gonna post some epic pics of my sessions here to show ya how perfect these conditions are here. Stay tooned!
My top top speed would most likely not be attainable at the Columbia Gorge, because of the large swell. On average here, the swell is 1-2 feet high with 12-14 knots of wind.




And the digging continues, deeper and deeper and.......



There's one in every group.

Magic Ride
719 posts
7 Apr 2017 9:45PM
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I found a 2008 post in Seabreeze when someone was sailing a Mistral and hit 32 knots.

Didn't realize the subject was on older Mistral boards. It's all good. Lol!!

BSN101
WA, 2374 posts
7 Apr 2017 9:50PM
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John340 said..

olskool said..
Hmmm, seems 22-25kts is reasonably easy to achieve in 18kts wind. Whats the secret in getting to 30kts? At 25kts boardspeed im back in the straps with not much board in the water. Not much flat water when the wind gets up where i sail. So its sheet in n hang on as the IMCO lifts n bucks in the gusts. Gotta find some flat water..... locally. My goal 30kts.



Come to Wellington point in a NEer. I'd love to see a Raceboard come down the bank in full flight


Speed fin too?

olskool
QLD, 2459 posts
8 Apr 2017 3:57AM
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Nothing special on my 2000 IMCO, all stocko. Sail is 2000 aerotech 7.2m pro race series. Im 1970 105kg. 25kts fairly easy to achieve. But its hard to push it faster in choppy conditions.

Spotty
VIC, 1619 posts
8 Apr 2017 12:02PM
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I imagine the IMCO's have far less rocker than my SUP, so most would assume they should be a lot faster. Though having lots of rocker and no straps did allow me to find the best spread eagle stance/trim to get it flying on the tail. Getting the nose up and clear of the deadly channel chop where I peaked at 34 helped. 5x10=31.9.

Any vids of IMCO/raceboards going around 30 showing their trim?

Sparky
WA, 1122 posts
8 Apr 2017 10:25AM
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What was your peak speed riding the sup backwards?

Spotty
VIC, 1619 posts
8 Apr 2017 12:39PM
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What was your peak speed riding the sup backwards?



...probably around 13 knots, enough to be planing, tricky to hold straight though once its up n going and wants to go faster with no fin drag. The rails are rounded throughout the nose as you'd expect so not much grip or bite.

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
8 Apr 2017 11:37AM
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The IMCO is a fair bit quicker with a better fin than the stock version.

If you do that in a race you just need to make sure you "appear" from behind a boatshed or something before the start, and retreat there again afterwards

kato
VIC, 3507 posts
8 Apr 2017 2:36PM
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I've got a 34 or 36kt run on a Malibu with a 5.8 Koncept.I'd have to dig around to find the tracks but it blew the gaskets off the case. Might try the mistral OD and see if I can beat it

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8231 posts
8 Apr 2017 2:37PM
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Spotty said..
I imagine the IMCO's have far less rocker than my SUP, so most would assume they should be a lot faster. Though having lots of rocker and no straps did allow me to find the best spread eagle stance/trim to get it flying on the tail. Getting the nose up and clear of the deadly channel chop where I peaked at 34 helped. 5x10=31.9.

Any vids of IMCO/raceboards going around 30 showing their trim?



Impressive! Love the way most of it is out of the water..

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
8 Apr 2017 6:23PM
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At 1.30 in Spotty's video. Thats Mat and I on the speed tandem trying a run. I think Spotty went faster than us.

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
8 Apr 2017 6:26PM
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I think some Raceboarders are reading their GPS through Rose coloured magnifying glasses!



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