Hi there,
How are you doing?
I ampractising the jibe this period, however it looks some difficult!
I have a naish board GT sport 130 ltrs.
I would like to get any advise if the hard learning problem has to do with the board ( it would be better if I used a bigger one, eg 145 ltrs board) or to work with a coach on my own board?
Under low wind the jibe is genaral easy even though I dont feel very steady on board.
When stronger the wind hard time keeping the sail appears!!
Any sudjestions will be appreciate!
Yeah, no worries. Have you fixed up in 10 minutes!!!! Ok. Just joking.
The thing is it is not easy, it needs practice to perfect. Couple of tips that helped me. You need maximum speed going in. Speed is your friend. Sail off the wind at the beginning and really concentrate on going fast. A warning though, don't go too far downwind or the wind will catch up with you and it will start pushing on the sail. You will know what I mean when it happens. It will end in tears!!!
Concentrate on good footwork. I would advise you to get a board set up with the mast and boom but no sail and practice the move on dry land. Keep practicing until you can sing a song and do the move without thinking about it. It happens so quick on the water your movements have to be automatic. I found that if you concentrate on getting the board around, the sail pretty much gybes by itself.
Watch some videos to get the correct technique. I've watched hours of them just to get the feeling of it. Others will no doubt add their thoughts, for such a seemingly simple move, there is much to get right
As a general rule, smaller boards can be easier to gybe. Going to a bigger board may not help you, even though it appears that you have more room to move your feet.
Some find it helpful to watch other people gybing on YouTube. Even better, have a view of some coaching videos. Don't get overly technical because the best way to improve is by having time on the water.
Don't worry about falling too many times. That will just make you better with your water starts.
Watch dashers 12 step Jibe program on you tube. I've been windsurfing for 18 years and watching this video has improved my jibing very quickly after years of struggling as stated above it becomes second nature happens quickly and the less you think about it the better once you have the fundamental 12 steps in your head
If you haven't already, find some flat water to practice on.
Chop adds another dimension that'll stunt your learning curve. Once you've got it going pretty well on the flat, move back to the chop and practice in that.
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Watch dashers 12 step Jibe program on you tube. I've been windsurfing for 18 years and watching this video has improved my jibing very quickly after years of struggling as stated above it becomes second nature happens quickly and the less you think about it the better once you have the fundamental 12 steps in your head
+ 1 .. I got some good tips from this one. 30 years sailing and I'm still learning them..
Look where you are going, not to the board or the sail.
Sometimes it helps looking to the rear just after you initiated the curve.
Big, very wide boards w race rockers are harder to gybe.
Remove rear foot from the rear strap without looking, as said it has to be automatic.
Very rare mentioned, if you move your feet too early after you initiated the carve, you need to pressure the board w your heels instead of the toes to keep the carve. Dont bounce the board while carving.
Keep your arms flexed and w the sail near you.
Duck your body enough that your eye vision is at the boom height. Dont stand upright .
Practice practice and more
Don't be scared to fall in. Crashing while trying to carve out a gybe at speed beats a wobbly stall every time.
For you it does but not me. I stall my gybes without exception with my 110
110 and bigger boards rarely if ever gybe well - they need a lot of prompting / technique.
100 litre boards gybe best still offering decent stability.
My 110 Patrik gybes like a dog remembering my bad technique but with my Patrik 100 i can partially plane out.
Half a loaf is better than none.
Like said above try find some flat water. You have to commit, if you sit back on the board/tail you will only be making it harder for yourself. Drive down through boom whilst keeping board flat/trimming well. Flip the rig earlier than you think.
Can be good to break down the move and focus on practicing one element.
Main things though: commit, don't stall the board (maintain good trim), don't look down ( that's where you'll end up), look up and out of the turn, flip rig earlier than you may think is right, get in powered stance for when you come out of the turn and be prepared to pump if required.
Beat of luck!
I'm just starting to do them recently , kind of . . The turning point for me was speed and flat water , back foot out , no harness , as fast as you can downwind, and then it starts to make sense. You got to go faster than the wind and then the sail flips into your hands . Now I just got to do it another 500 times and it should look smooth.
Easy.
1. Head exact broad reach
2. Jibe (best to follow swell or very flat water)
3. Flick right before downwind
4. Stay on broad reach to maintain speed (only 90 deg overall turn since 1.)
5. Once back in the straps return normal sailing
Tips:
A. Change feet before or after flick depending on gear and conditions.
B. Untuck front foot always!
C. Experience with foot balance, get yourself into the curve
D. Look where you go
E. Oversteer
F. Be well powered
G. Light feet at the flick
H. After flick, same technique to plane in light winds apply
Some boards will shed less speed when carving but they can be bouncy. Maybe use a slightly bigger board with good fin drive.
Happy sailing!
Only around two percent of slalom sailors plane consistently out of their gybes in powered up conditions with decent chop. By consistently i mean more than half the time.
Another tip - count the seconds in your head the time it takes to rotate your sail from when you start to grabbing hold of the other side of your boom with two hands.
The faster you are able to do this the chances of a planing gybe increase. Aim for less than 6 seconds,
Also,if you rotate the sail slowly like myself then you need to carve the board slower otherwise you will end up doing your full 180 turn and you have only just rotated your sail which will stall the speed of your board.
At the point of full sail rotation - the board should be pointing DEEPLY DOWNWIND in order to maintain speed or momentum.
Get the rig well forward. Lean towards it and extend your arms.
Also lowering your body height by bending the knees helps.
Select to expand quoteImax1 said..
>>>>. Now I just got to do it another 500 times and it should look smooth.
And on the other tack, don't forget the other tack!
Select to expand quoteManuel7 said..
Easy.
1. Head exact broad reach
2. Jibe (best to follow swell or very flat water)
3. Flick right before downwind
4. Stay on broad reach to maintain speed (only 90 deg overall turn since 1.)
5. Once back in the straps return normal sailing
Tips:
A. Change feet before or after flick depending on gear and conditions.
B. Untuck front foot always!
C. Experience with foot balance, get yourself into the curve
D. Look where you go
E. Oversteer
F. Be well powered
G. Light feet at the flick
H. After flick, same technique to plane in light winds apply
Some boards will shed less speed when carving but they can be bouncy. Maybe use a slightly bigger board with good fin drive.
Happy sailing!
What does "oversteer" mean? Did you mean oversheet, because oversheeting to unload the sail is good practice.
Select to expand quotedecrepit said..Imax1 said..
>>>>. Now I just got to do it another 500 times and it should look smooth.
And on the other tack, don't forget the other tack!
Good advice. When you sail back to the beach don't just step off, do a jibe then step off. Just so you get the same skills in both directions.
Oopsie, good eye! corrector problem, oversheet it was.
I believe slalom racers lose the plane for several reasons:
- Small boards, meant for top speed, with big sails and big riders (!). The small board will quickly sink and drag when power isn't applied especially over rough waters as seen next.
- Not have the option to choose water state and turn over rough waters due to course design.
- Besides the first one to jibe, followers run into misc wakes including leading sailors wakes, crossing wakes, etc.
Any video of your gybing so we can see whats going on? Or can you ask anyone where you sail to give you some tips after watching you gybe? There are loads of how to gybe videos on the net.
A planing gybe for a slalom sailor in rough conditions is probably the equivalent of a wave sailor pulling off a loop.
Its good to strive for but realistically they are just too hard to achieve.
Going boom to boom is almost a must as well if you are hoping to reach this high level.
Owning a Severne Fox or other de-tuned slalom board should help improve your gybes significantly over using a full on slalom board.
Thank you all for your help!
Trully not yet read all, I will check closely and come back with new inquires if any! 
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Any video of your gybing so we can see whats going on? Or can you ask anyone where you sail to give you some tips after watching you gybe? There are loads of how to gybe videos on the net.
Yes I will try to get a video! This is good for correcting my mistakes!
Select to expand quoteRumChaser said..
Yeah, no worries. Have you fixed up in 10 minutes!!!! Ok. Just joking.
The thing is it is not easy, it needs practice to perfect. Couple of tips that helped me. You need maximum speed going in. Speed is your friend. Sail off the wind at the beginning and really concentrate on going fast. A warning though, don't go too far downwind or the wind will catch up with you and it will start pushing on the sail. You will know what I mean when it happens. It will end in tears!!!
Concentrate on good footwork. I would advise you to get a board set up with the mast and boom but no sail and practice the move on dry land. Keep practicing until you can sing a song and do the move without thinking about it. It happens so quick on the water your movements have to be automatic. I found that if you concentrate on getting the board around, the sail pretty much gybes by itself.
Watch some videos to get the correct technique. I've watched hours of them just to get the feeling of it. Others will no doubt add their thoughts, for such a seemingly simple move, there is much to get right
It's true, practising in land make a difference! I have tried and it works! I will try some more!
Select to expand quoteTequila ! said..
Look where you are going, not to the board or the sail.
Sometimes it helps looking to the rear just after you initiated the curve.
Big, very wide boards w race rockers are harder to gybe.
Remove rear foot from the rear strap without looking, as said it has to be automatic.
Very rare mentioned, if you move your feet too early after you initiated the carve, you need to pressure the board w your heels instead of the toes to keep the carve. Dont bounce the board while carving.
Keep your arms flexed and w the sail near you.
Duck your body enough that your eye vision is at the boom height. Dont stand upright .
Practice practice and more
Practice makes experts!
That's what I am thinking too!
Tons of good tips, here.
Two more thoughts:
1) Visualize the jibe - be able to do it in your mind. From reaching back on the boom and unhooking from the harness to planing on the other side. You have to be able to do it in your mind before you can do it on the water. On the water, you don't have enough time to "figure it out". You need to know ahead of time what you are trying to do at each step. So, watch those videos: Jem Hall, Sam Ross, Peter Hart, Dasher, Get Windsurfing, Nico Prien, TWS etc until you know them in you mind with your eyes closed and can imagine yourself doing one.
2) My opinion - no one does a "jibe". We all figured out the 1000 ways the many steps of a jibe can go wrong and learned how to fix things as they happen. Too much/too little wind at entry. Unexpected chop going downwind. Turn radius needs correcting halfway through. Too little/too much rail pressure. So, that's where the advice to find a place with smooth water comes in. Eliminate some of the variables. Jibe in a gust so you have plenty of speed and don't have to deal with trying to plane out of an underpowered jibe. Once you've figured out the 1000 ways to $&%@ it up and how to fix them, you'll hit them consistently.
Once you do figure it out, you won't jibe just to change directions. You'll look to jibe because that carving feeling is so much fun. Good luck!
Select to expand quoteGustenzo said..
Like said above try find some flat water. You have to commit, if you sit back on the board/tail you will only be making it harder for yourself. Drive down through boom whilst keeping board flat/trimming well. Flip the rig earlier than you think.
Can be good to break down the move and focus on practicing one element.
Main things though: commit, don't stall the board (maintain good trim), don't look down ( that's where you'll end up), look up and out of the turn, flip rig earlier than you may think is right, get in powered stance for when you come out of the turn and be prepared to pump if required.
Beat of luck!
I got what you say;some times I feel I push the rail too much because I want to control the air when is coming downwind and this is too difficult at strong air.
However, recently I am mostly trying to put my weight on the front leg so to keep the board flat. ALso, extend my front arm and try to close my back hand! But still some difficulty when stronger the wind! I want to say that all these actions while no planning! I see the guys with big techno t293 boards how easily turn the board and I wondering if I should get one of these! I also practising on the land, this helps too,I notice.
Thanks everyone for your advices!
I am now on practising on the beach the jibe mobes before entering the real sea! I notice that this helped me a lot!
Now with not very strong wind I manage to jibe some kind of planning! Also, I noticed that when turning when I first have my right leg in front jibe is getting more difficult compared to my other body side! I think this has to do with my muscles and how I control my different body sides.
I will try to get a video to show you my efforts!
Thanks and Happy New Year to you all!!
