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Created by paddymac > 9 months ago, 28 Oct 2009
paddymac
WA, 938 posts
28 Oct 2009 9:59PM
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Seems there's been heaps of posts about longboards lately. I've been poking around seeing what's available and thought I'd do a summary. To qualify for my list the board needs a centreboard and has to be 3m+. I figure there are four categories. Lemme know what I missed.

Brand model length width volume

Race
BIC Hybrid 308 82 240
Starboard Phantom 320 71 233
Starboard Phantom 380 70 295
Kona One 350 70 220
Windsurfer One Design 366 66 175

Freeride
BIC Jungle 330 72 175
RRD Longrider 340 70 180
Tabou Windstyler 325 72 220
Tabou Windstyler 295 70 170
Kona Link 300 80 220
Exocet Cruiser Match 300 80 220
Starboard Serenity 460 61.5 256

Wave
Kona Surf 320 65 170
Kona 11'5" 350 70 170
Kona 10'5" 320 65 145
Kona 9'5" 300 60 120

SUP
Starboard SUPer 12'6" 380 77 306
Starboard SUPer 12'0" 370 81 ?

No longer manufactured
Tiga Aloha
Mistral Equipe
Mistral Pan Am
F2 Lightning
F2 380
Fanatic Megacat
Fanatic Cat
Mistral One Design
Crit Div II
Lechner
TC Win

Chris 249
NSW, 3513 posts
29 Oct 2009 8:04AM
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Nice, but the Windsurfer One Design is still in production.

BTW, the Kona One can certainly be raced, but it's not really a Raceboard. It's not as quick (unless reaching in a full planing breeze) but it's great for playing around and using like a giant freeride board

Maybe there's a special category for the Kona One and Wndsurfer One Design.

paddymac
WA, 938 posts
29 Oct 2009 7:30AM
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Thanks Chris.

Chris 249 said...

Nice, but the Windsurfer One Design is still in production.

Where do you buy them?


BTW, the Kona One can certainly be raced, but it's not really a Raceboard. It's not as quick (unless reaching in a full planing breeze) but it's great for playing around and using like a giant freeride board

Maybe there's a special category for the Kona One and Wndsurfer One Design.

It's not a raceboard category, it's the main board options if you wanted to race.

nobody
NSW, 437 posts
30 Oct 2009 11:43PM
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paddymac said...

Thanks Chris.

Chris 249 said...

Nice, but the Windsurfer One Design is still in production.

Where do you buy them?

Try:
www.windgenuity.com.au/
Windsurfer doesn't appear on their site (that I can find) so you'll likely have to contact them directly.

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
30 Oct 2009 11:07PM
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boardcrazy in brissy has a longboard page

boardcrazy.com.au

i've been looking at the longboard second hand on their website. i miss longboard sailing.

the kona one is a nice board to sail but nothing beats cranking to windward on a race board.

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
31 Oct 2009 12:56AM
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div 2's smash it!

can anyone find a few of the hundreds we sold in the eighties!

they rule light winds.

whitehorne
VIC, 6 posts
31 Oct 2009 9:46AM
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I just picked up a Naish 11'4 SUP ... anyone got experience using one of those with a sail? It just has the screw hole for the mast base. I have a full range of sales from 4.7 wave up to 7 cam'd. Was wondering what the best thing to try on it is first ... I understand it doesn't plane like a windsurfer.

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
31 Oct 2009 9:23AM
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greenleader said...

div 2's smash it!

can anyone find a few of the hundreds we sold in the eighties!

they rule light winds.


i know where there is one.

jeez they're bloody hard to sail!

MIKO
QLD, 408 posts
31 Oct 2009 10:14AM
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whitehorne said...

I just picked up a Naish 11'4 SUP ... anyone got experience using one of those with a sail? It just has the screw hole for the mast base. I have a full range of sales from 4.7 wave up to 7 cam'd. Was wondering what the best thing to try on it is first ... I understand it doesn't plane like a windsurfer.


Hey Whitehorne Gidday,
Mate had one and bushed it.
He used it once with a 5 mtre sail, i watched him go out on his first try in about 10 knots . did a couple of L/Board Reos, played around jibeing and tacking
and then ate it on a chest high wave.
Basically came in after 20 minutes of playing around and found a 30 cm x 5 cm compression in the top side rail maybe the board and the boom hit. I realize that this can happen to anyone , but After looking a bit closer at the 11 4 we came up with the conclusion the deck WAS WEAK. The undented timber inlay could be pushed in 5 mm no worries at all.
He only used it after that as a sub and where the screw hole and handle is located it split and was taking water within 5 or 6 surfs. This board never had a lot of use. I think Naish had some QC issues on a batch of these things cause i have heard of a few dying.
Sorry to put a negative spin on something you have just purchased.
Miko

wet dreams
NSW, 29 posts
31 Oct 2009 9:15PM
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Just picked up a Mistral Malibu on the side of the road the other day. Gave it a good scrub and she looks awesome. Can't wait to take for a burl.... but it does need a daggerboard. Anyone have any ideas for a suitable daggerboard for such an old beast.

Dartboy
VIC, 172 posts
31 Oct 2009 9:48PM
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Hey Greenleader ,


Thought you may appreciate this Open class Machine . Its a Jim French Dart .

www.seabreeze.com.au/Media/View/2388722/Stand%20Up%20Paddle/DSC00594/
www.seabreeze.com.au/Media/View/2388724/Stand%20Up%20Paddle/DSC00590/
www.seabreeze.com.au/Media/View/2388728/Stand%20Up%20Paddle/DSC00592/

I wonder where alot of those special open class and D2 gear went too , the landfills must have a fair share but I am sure there are many garage roof with treasures tucked away .

All the best ,
ANT

sandman
WA, 432 posts
31 Oct 2009 11:59PM
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does the starboard serenity qualify? or does it need to have a tail fin?

climber
NSW, 1125 posts
1 Nov 2009 11:20AM
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greenleader said...

div 2's smash it!

can anyone find a few of the hundreds we sold in the eighties!

they rule light winds.


What is a Div 2..wondering what they look like?
Can any post a pic
cheers

paddymac
WA, 938 posts
1 Nov 2009 10:50AM
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sandman said...

does the starboard serenity qualify? or does it need to have a tail fin?


Definitely over 3m but no centreboard. Love to have a crack at one though.

JayBee
NSW, 714 posts
1 Nov 2009 2:00PM
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climber said...

greenleader said...

div 2's smash it!

can anyone find a few of the hundreds we sold in the eighties!

they rule light winds.


What is a Div 2..wondering what they look like?
Can any post a pic
cheers



Div II boards are round bottom longboards. They sailed in displacement mode pretty much all of the time. The Olympic Lechner would be a good example. The jim french design would be similar. I used have a Crit dII many many moons ago.
They are really good for light winds but become a handful when the wind gets up.
Occasionally, but rarely, one comes up for sale.

Take a look at...
jimbodouglass.blogspot.com/2008/08/types-of-windsurf-racing.html

paddymac
WA, 938 posts
2 Nov 2009 8:20PM
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paddymac said...

sandman said...

does the starboard serenity qualify? or does it need to have a tail fin?


Definitely over 3m but no centreboard. Love to have a crack at one though.


ooops.. looks like it does have a centreboard

The Craw
WA, 228 posts
2 Nov 2009 9:01PM
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I also had a Crit dII(with a Craw tuttle box mod) ,sailed it up to the late '90s,great fun in under 12 knots (max)with a 8.5 raceboard rushwind complete with a hole in the middle of the sail to tie the boom together and reduce the flex - ah them were the days(eyes glaze over and roll into the back of my head like homer)I miss it sobto be fully lit in 7-10 knots great feeling until a boat wake came along and tested your log rolling stancenewbies to the sport in the last 10+ years are missin out how much fun these big boards were,I say/beg/plead Bring 'em back

Chris 249
NSW, 3513 posts
3 Nov 2009 8:55AM
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I've still got a TC Win (early Georg Lechner designed D2), an unidentified custom D2, and a Lechner (Lars Kleppich's bronze-medal winning board).

They are fantastic boards, like everyone says. The feeling of speed and efficiency in light winds is amazing, as they slice through the water like a rapier blade. I love the way the water peels off them.

You could certainly sail them in big breeze, but it took a lot of work. We had one Metro series back in the day when all the Olympic team got blown away and only one competitor (using a 5.6) finished. The Sydney-Southport, one of the big offshore races of the year, was starting about 2ks away at the time and they were measuring 40 knots ++.

AUS4
NSW, 1287 posts
3 Nov 2009 9:29AM
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Open Class. Robert Bowness built 3 of these monsters.
I think only mine and Wayne Bowness's are still alive.

ka43
NSW, 3091 posts
3 Nov 2009 10:32AM
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Geez, thats a long time ago Ricardo

Where was that??

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
3 Nov 2009 11:59AM
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Looks like the Lakes in Adelaide ?
The barge seems to be wayyyy upwind (leading).

AUS4
NSW, 1287 posts
3 Nov 2009 1:48PM
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Port Macquarie 1995?

Squid Lips
WA, 708 posts
3 Nov 2009 1:30PM
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pierrec45 said...

Looks like the Lakes in Adelaide ?
The barge seems to be wayyyy upwind (leading).


I was thinking it looked like West lakes too.

Dartboy
VIC, 172 posts
3 Nov 2009 7:43PM
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Fantastic pic of the open class board AUS4.

Glad to see there are others around .

The size sails seems like a 10m2 ? I wonder what size sail of todays modern race sails would be equal to the power of that old rig ?

If anyone would like to organise a round up of some of these boards for a bit of fun I would definitely consider getting the board to the event .

Any more pics of your board s Chris and AUS4 ?

Cheers ,
Ant

AUS4
NSW, 1287 posts
3 Nov 2009 8:00PM
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Yep,10.0 Racefoil Pro probably same as a 12.0 today.
Wayne and I are taking them up to Hawks Nest the week before the Formula Nationals in Feb.

AUS4
NSW, 1287 posts
6 Nov 2009 8:04AM
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Mistral Worlds Tunisia 1984
Mistral Superlight - 500 boards

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
6 Nov 2009 10:35AM
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it will never happen again

craven
1 posts
9 Nov 2009 11:39AM
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Hi Fella's,
I've been out of sailboards for a long time, I still have the old Hifly 500 CS corona speed in the shed (more of a toyota crown speed I thought).and i just bought a Kona one board. Nice and light.
I weigh about 90Kgs , probably sail in about 10kts any ideas on what size sail and mast I should get?
I'm old school so keep it simple.
Thanks,
Craven.

sailquik
VIC, 6165 posts
10 Nov 2009 1:51PM
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Hey Chris, Is the old Mistral Pan Am still a competitive longboard at all? There is a nice one in town for sale.

AUS4
NSW, 1287 posts
17 Nov 2009 11:33PM
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Found another pic.
Must have been only 5 - 6 knots.




windtechno
VIC, 372 posts
17 Nov 2009 11:40PM
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kona baby all the way



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