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June & its 2011 gear - w/surfns gettn fn stupid

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Created by russh > 9 months ago, 10 Jun 2010
russh
SA, 3027 posts
10 Jun 2010 8:05PM
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Isn't it a joke that its June and everyone is frothing about 2011 gear. In all my years surfing - you upgrade when its hammered or you want a change.

Half the 2010 gear is still in the shop for 70% of the original "Retail price" and no one can sell a two year old wave board for 1/4 of the cost.

I just can't work out why the race is on for the latest gear at exhorbitant prices when the difference it makes to most of us is absolutely F**K all - except making us poorer or people feel inadequate cause they don't have the latest.

The longer I windsurf the more wanky the gear race each year becomes

Surely I am not alone in this!

Its alright I'll take my pills now and relax!!

da vecta
QLD, 2515 posts
10 Jun 2010 9:37PM
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pills are so 2010!

elmo
WA, 8869 posts
10 Jun 2010 9:13PM
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It's normal for the manufacturers to start displaying the gear to the distributors at this time of year at the various manufacturer sales conferences.

It has to be done this early so as they can make the decisions about what they will be ordering so that the gear can be on their shelves (in Australia)for the summer season.

These boards and sails aren't sitting in a big warehouse, they are made to order once the distributors (shops) work out how far across the line the are going to put their nuts trying to guess what the market will want this year.

It should be noted that payment for these new toys is generally done at time of receipt into the shop or before, it is highly unlikely that any shops would work on consignment stock.

If your current gear is good and serviceable there is no need to go out and replace your kit for the latest go faster stripes you don't have to.

However this may not negate your want of new toys, that requires strong will power when entering your respective den of vice to only leave with just the bit of downhaul rope you originally wanted.

Just remember there is nothing wrong with 2010 gear @ 70% of RRP just the different go faster stripes

Hmmmm must remember downhaul rope

under finned
NSW, 76 posts
10 Jun 2010 11:34PM
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why you need the new gear:

1 last years now looks slightly less pristine than when I first bought it, although not to the naked eye
2 all my friends have the latest versions and I cant afford to look second rate if I'm going to hang out with them
3 this years gear is much more slimming than last years
4 if I didn't spend all our money on new gear how could I be sure you weren't spending it on beer and hookers?

OK, that's actually the justification I get from my other half on spending another wodge on her wardrobe but I'm sure the same logic applies (maybe not the last one!). Well I'm reasonably sure the same logic applies. Cant be totally sure though, as you can probably appreciate I don't actually get the chance to upgrade windsurf kit every year.....

SundayRoast
NSW, 17 posts
10 Jun 2010 11:47PM
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I say bring on the 2011 gear. A flood of 1/4 priced two year old boards on the market sounds pretty good to me. However not sure the 2011 rainbow coloured prydes will be going like hotcakes. They make me pretty chufed with my hotch potch of 2006-2010's

ozpricey
WA, 333 posts
10 Jun 2010 9:58PM
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Pork-Hunt racing ftw

Mark _australia
WA, 23465 posts
10 Jun 2010 10:35PM
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Its not the meat, its the motion.

Dinged up is cool

decrepit
WA, 12772 posts
10 Jun 2010 10:57PM
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Mark _australia said...

Its not the meat, its the motion.

Dinged up is cool




Be careful Mark, next thing you know they'll be bringing out, pre dinged boards, and patched sails.
If it works for jeans, why not??????

the skipper
QLD, 90 posts
11 Jun 2010 1:03AM
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Spoken like true defeatists.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
11 Jun 2010 8:33AM
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decrepit said...

Mark _australia said...

Its not the meat, its the motion.

Dinged up is cool




Be careful Mark, next thing you know they'll be bringing out, pre dinged boards, and patched sails.
If it works for jeans, why not??????


And guitars. Have you seen the price of a Fender Road Worn ??

Now that you have spoken those words, it is only a matter of time.
The sanded-through look is already with us (looks guilty, as he owns one), so we are half-way there.

russh
SA, 3027 posts
11 Jun 2010 10:14AM
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elmo said...

It's normal for the manufacturers to start displaying the gear to the distributors at this time of year at the various manufacturer sales conferences.

It has to be done this early so as they can make the decisions about what they will be ordering so that the gear can be on their shelves (in Australia)for the summer season.

These boards and sails aren't sitting in a big warehouse, they are made to order once the distributors (shops) work out how far across the line the are going to put their nuts trying to guess what the market will want this year.

It should be noted that payment for these new toys is generally done at time of receipt into the shop or before, it is highly unlikely that any shops would work on consignment stock.

If your current gear is good and serviceable there is no need to go out and replace your kit for the latest go faster stripes you don't have to.

However this may not negate your want of new toys, that requires strong will power when entering your respective den of vice to only leave with just the bit of downhaul rope you originally wanted.

Just remember there is nothing wrong with 2010 gear @ 70% of RRP just the different go faster stripes

Hmmmm must remember downhaul rope



Thats all very good but the whole process is still a crock of **** and the reason why everything is so fkn expensive - these useless goobs spend there life sailing around the world so we can support them by buying the latest overpriced crap that doesn't do half of what the hype and advertising claim - only to be told next year - yeah last years model was ****e - but hey this years is fantastic cause we took 2mm off here added 1mm here and increased the price by 10% and added some carbon - and went back to polyester fins cause they are really better.

as Public enemy said "Don't believe the hype"

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
11 Jun 2010 11:16AM
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luddite alert!

ULF
QLD, 261 posts
11 Jun 2010 11:23AM
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Rushs, Sounds like adundance issues. You can totally ignore it.
Some of my friends are in other sports, ie Gemini racing, Dirt bike riders etc. THey spend a heap on their sport.
If you got the cash why not?

PS JP graphics are ugly this coming year so I'll keep my windsurfing cash and buy twice as much in 2012.

choco
SA, 4175 posts
11 Jun 2010 11:15AM
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Some companies don't change their designs for the sake of it, Tabou is a good example, if you go to their site they state that on some boards they didn't change the shape because they couldn't improve it.

russh
SA, 3027 posts
11 Jun 2010 11:24AM
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greenleader said...

luddite alert!


Ooh name calling - ya technoholic!!

sailpilot
QLD, 785 posts
11 Jun 2010 12:07PM
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Its all on a needs basis, I don't need better than my windows 95 computer so the upgrade savings flow through to a new addition in gear next year.

russh
SA, 3027 posts
11 Jun 2010 12:50PM
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Come on you annual gear updaters - wheres the fire in ya belly - these forums have become particularly bland of late we need some good strong debate - get stuck into it!!!

Haircut
QLD, 6491 posts
11 Jun 2010 1:41PM
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must thank the people who wear a gps

i can hear the rubbing of hands together right now

cachingo!

P.C_simpson
WA, 1492 posts
11 Jun 2010 11:42AM
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russh said...

Come on you annual gear updaters - wheres the fire in ya belly - these forums have become particularly bland of late we need some good strong debate - get stuck into it!!!





Na there is no need to update your gear at all, i'm 100% that your 10 year old Gaastra wave sails feel exactly the same as the 2011 will....

Haircut
QLD, 6491 posts
11 Jun 2010 1:53PM
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no honestly, 2011 stuff will be much better

russh
SA, 3027 posts
11 Jun 2010 1:59PM
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P.C_simpson said...



Na there is no need to update your gear at all, i'm 100% that your 10 year old Gaastra wave sails feel exactly the same as the 2011 will....


Unfortunately the 4.2 manic is only 6 years old but I have been looking for some older ones to replace my 2010 S1's as they are too light and make sailing just too easy - and it shouldn't be some much fun - it should be painful and hard work otherwise everyone will want to do it

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
11 Jun 2010 2:53PM
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Haircut said...


no honestly, 2011 stuff will be much better


A decade ahead of the current gear.

Gybesports
NSW, 193 posts
11 Jun 2010 3:50PM
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How many of you guys are buying an ipad or upgrading to Iphone 4?

Not sure how the companies can survive without a new range every year. If we order by 5th of July after seeing the stuff at this months dealer conferences then the stock might be here by mid December, JIT for the season.

Plenty of time then for the punters to do their research and see whats happening.
It's not great for the northern hemisphere retailers show are mid season now and the punters are already saying I see you changes x or Y for 2011 can you do me a deal on the now obsolete 2010 model.

russh
SA, 3027 posts
11 Jun 2010 5:26PM
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Gybesports said...

How many of you guys are buying an ipad or upgrading to Iphone 4?

Not sure how the companies can survive without a new range every year. If we order by 5th of July after seeing the stuff at this months dealer conferences then the stock might be here by mid December, JIT for the season.

Plenty of time then for the punters to do their research and see whats happening.
It's not great for the northern hemisphere retailers show are mid season now and the punters are already saying I see you changes x or Y for 2011 can you do me a deal on the now obsolete 2010 model.



I can imagine it must be hard for retailers as your tied into brands and pre ordering - if the maker gets it wrong and they're not the flavour of the month you can lose the shirt of your back. You guys have got balls thats for sure - hopefully crystal ones!

You can see it locally when everyone for instance one year is ridng brand x and over a few years everyone moves to brand y - is y any better - probably not just the marketing and local distirbutors commitments / deal they can arrange. There are some great local and international brands that just don't seem to make it on the shelves - probably a lack market.

Gestalt
QLD, 14670 posts
11 Jun 2010 6:10PM
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nothing beats the smell and look of a new sail.

you unroll it and it gleams at you and says yeah baby!

jermaldan
VIC, 1572 posts
11 Jun 2010 6:11PM
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I am holding out for the "2012 End of the World" sales

jsr
NSW, 44 posts
11 Jun 2010 6:56PM
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Sad but true, The 2012 end of the world gear is already out there.If you seach you can find( Proto/concept) sail and board thoughts are already on hard copy and on the web, (seek and you will find).
It all makes for interesting viewing. As said before: what goes around comes around and nothing is new,(just repackaged). And nice colour and paint jobs added to follow the current Euro fasion trends,
Check it out, Lime, Purple, Chocolate, Magenta, Manderine, to name a few are all over the fashion pages, so why not on windsurfing sails and boards.
Fanatic, North, etc are Euro driven brands so it is logical they will follow market trends.
US brands just produce their own copy and whoop de do we are all sailing the same colours but dirrerent brands once again.
Remember the boaring old days of "clear" monofilm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me, I like?


KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
11 Jun 2010 7:43PM
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Considering the replies here, I think it's fair to comment that this has always happened but that the info stayed restricted, as the shows are not open to the general public.
With the advent of the interwebz and the rise of youtube, the info now gets out very quickly.
Personally, I run the middle ground mostly, updating gear often enough to keep it fresh, while often buying run-out gear, content in the knowledge that it will be close enough for me.
Sometimes I buy the latest, greatest too, when it suits me.

AUS4
NSW, 1290 posts
11 Jun 2010 8:18PM
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russh said...

Isn't it a joke that its June and everyone is frothing about 2011 gear. In all my years surfing - you upgrade when its hammered or you want a change.

Half the 2010 gear is still in the shop for 70% of the original "Retail price" and no one can sell a two year old wave board for 1/4 of the cost.

I just can't work out why the race is on for the latest gear at exhorbitant prices when the difference it makes to most of us is absolutely F**K all - except making us poorer or people feel inadequate cause they don't have the latest.

The longer I windsurf the more wanky the gear race each year becomes

Surely I am not alone in this!

Its alright I'll take my pills now and relax!!


I think you will find it goes by seasons not by the year. So what would you prefer to get you new 2011 gear this season in september of next september a year later. Then you really will be complaining.

Mrgob
116 posts
11 Jun 2010 6:29PM
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Don't give a toss about go faster stripes - it's the built in fragility and knackering powder component (a trade secret?) built into lightweight boards that makes me fume!

Chris 249
NSW, 3517 posts
11 Jun 2010 9:57PM
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I'm going to upgrade my One Design sail this year. The good sail I bought about four years ago (second hand but very well cared for, and since use only for national and state titles) is still as fast as a Wally sail can be, so I'm trying to track down a good used sail for club racing 'cause I can't bear to use such a good sail for fun sailing and booze racing.

The good board is still completely competitive after 25 years (it also spends all its time in the rack apart from titles) and the old board used for playing and club racing is showing its age after 25 years, so one of these days I'll have to upgrade to something newer.... like a 1989 Wally!

And yeah, I know that newer gear is really, really quick a lot of the time. But when I use new stuff I'm not exactly sure that it's better in the cruddy conditions we normally spend a lot of our time in, and I'm pretty sure that if we spent our time working on our sailing instead of working to buy new gear we'd be better off. You'd have to be a pretty incredibly good sailor to be pushing the limits of gear from ten years ago or more, so why not concentrate on sailing rather than gear?



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