Is shortboarding more fun than raceboarding (e.g Starboard Phantom 377) in 20 knots?
Is your answer based on observation or trying both?
What are your reasons that one is more or less fun than the other?
If raceboard, what size sail would you use?
If shortboard, what gear would you use?
What type of sailing would you do? E.g. jumps, waves, reaching
Are there any other factors at play?
Shortboarding is far more prolific than raceboarding so i hope i can find out why.
Would you prefer to drive a sports car or a minivan?
Mini van if i can fit both boards
Is shortboarding more fun than raceboarding (e.g Starboard Phantom 377) in 20 knots?
Is your answer based on observation or trying both?
What are your reasons that one is more or less fun than the other?
If raceboard, what size sail would you use?
If shortboard, what gear would you use?
What type of sailing would you do? E.g. jumps, waves, reaching
Are there any other factors at play?
Shortboarding is far more prolific than raceboarding so i hope i can find out why.
I've tried both. Raceboarding in 20kts is very challenging and also fun. Shortboarding in 20kts is easier and more fun.
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short boards are more fun for me about 16 knts and over.but if its blowing 25 and off shore i like the security of a race board with its ability to get home when the wind stops. if its onshore ,short board is the go.
Depends on the location and wind direction.
Generally would rather race or cruise to a destination on my raceboard if in Moreton Bay.
These days I get bored just going back and forth in one dimension on a slalom board (unless I'm racing around a course).
If at a wave sailing location then I wavesail, often use a windsup until I can easily plane out on a short board.
This comment from Chris 249 on another SB thread sums it up for me:
"If I could only ever sail one thing for the rest of my life, it would be a raceboard. They've got the most incredible range of fun; you can cruise around in glassy calms, through them through one handed duck gybes, put on a backpack and go away for the weekend, have some great racing, teach friends, and go for epic long offshore reaches knowing that you can get home safely and quickly no matter what. And the complexity of handling something with mast track, centreboard, various strap positions and sail controls across the full range of wind strengths and angles is fascinating."
Would you prefer to drive a sports car or a minivan?
would you prefer to drive a sports car or a pillarless impala ?
as you have seen, it is two different worlds
have seen my buddy having difficulties one day with his Fanatic Hawk in 20 knots
jumped on my Mistral Equipe with same sized sail and took off
he had a miserable session and mine was fine
however, typically over 16 knots, all here are on shortboards
i usually bring my longboard in order not to get skunked !!
as someone said, with on-shore winds one has the chance to try stuff
that may typically be outside the comfort zone ...
I think it depends on a lot of factors.
On average shortboard sailing is more fun as the wind increases.
Even in moderate winds, I love the ability to head upwind, out into the open ocean, along the coast, knowing that the board will be able to handle everything that comes along.
I personally find reaching back and forth in one spot not as interesting (which seems to be the norm with shortboards)- and a raceboard opens up a lot more options.
The minivan/sports car analogy is pretty simplistic. If you don't live where it blows 20 knots every day, then the "sports car" may be sitting in the garage most of the time.
I have had some of my best sessions on a longboard in 12-18 knots of wind.
When you consider a R300 board (Phantom 295, Techno 293 etc), the disctintion between a raceboard and shortboard become much more fuzzy again.
Clarence
Long boarding is to be appreciated, I understand it. But its best in lower winds. The speed over flat, non chopped water. The angle up wind. It's great.
BUT, short boarding full speed Gybes? Manoeuvrability? Still able to point quite high, especially with variable out haul system and the right fin. ANd the ability to get some air time, even on slalom gear. Can't beat it.
I don't own a car but i think a minivan is more fun for me as it opens up more options like taking family, boards or bikes to do some activities. I think that's similar to what azuli and Clarence are saying about raceboarding.
Slalom racing and freestyle tricks sound fun for shortboarding. I thought the Japanese wave slalom from the '80's and '90's looked quite fun.
I also heard that some of the good French, Dutch and Israeli sailors can forward loop a raceboard.
What style of Gybe are you guys doing on your raceboards?
Are you doing a full planing gybe, with centreboard retracted?
Are you doing lower wind gybes with centre down and leaning on the outside rail?
At 20 knots, you'll be planing on a long or a short board. I love planing on a longboard and don't think it's that hard, but I find a shortboard more fun. It's more lively, easier to jibe, and faster. Even if the actual speed difference is just a couple of knots, a shortboard will feel a lot faster. The longboard shines in borderline conditions, and especially when the wind is up and down or unreliable. I use it with anything from a 6.0 to an 8.5 (my largest sail). Railing up in 10 knots is just a great feeling. 10 knots on a 117 l slalom board is no fun at all. When the wind picks up to a steady 16+ knots, I usually switch to slalom or freeride shortboards, often with the same sail. But every now and then, I may stick with the longboard for a bit of different fun. I remember one day where everyone was planing on 5.x and 6.x sails, but my lovely wife decided to stick with a 7.0 and the longboard she had taken out before the wind picked up. I think she was the one with the biggest grin on her face when she finally stopped. The board was not quite a raceboard (a Mistral Pandera, 11 ft, 180 l, regular daggerboard), but she weighs only 145 lb.
If I was only allowed one board then it would probably be my Mistral Eq2.
Ive been smashed on it with 6.7 because I couldn't be bothered to change down to a slalom board.
I love the cruising sight seeing aspect of sailing it, high up wind then screaming (or not) down then back again.
Standing on the tail in the straps with 3.0m of board out of the water is awesome. Almost slo-mo sailing- weight the rail then wait for it to happen. Full planning gybes, woohoo!
Sailing with the local yachts around the bouys giving punposed to being on the water. Back and forth blasting can become tedious after a while.
I dont want to loose my slalom boards tho.
What style of Gybe are you guys doing on your raceboards?
Are you doing a full planing gybe, with centreboard retracted?
Are you doing lower wind gybes with centre down and leaning on the outside rail?
if i am planing and good power i will a temp a carve gybe if its lighter winds center board down and on the out side rail and sink the tail.what i do like doing which you can,t do on a short board is running dead square down wind on the race board,sort of like having a spinnaker up and cruising
It is embarrassing how easily the raceboards cruise past you on light wind days. While you dredge along dreaming for more wind they disappear. Even so, I have not been tempted to buy one because price and size (try putting one inside your car or storing it) make them unrealistic when you can have lots of fun with the smaller stuff. I can understand though why some would prefer them in all conditions, just as some prefer to race cars while others prefer to race Mack trucks.
The question is like asking which one of your kids is your favourite, I wouldn't want to be without my raceboard or my short boards they are both good fun in 20knots. However mostly I enjoy racing more than just blasting about. Going to events and catching up with everyone and spending a few days just living for windsurfing is always the highlights of my sailing year.
What style of Gybe are you guys doing on your raceboards?
Are you doing a full planing gybe, with centreboard retracted?
Are you doing lower wind gybes with centre down and leaning on the outside rail?
I do full planing gybes in 20knots. Usually I'm on a broad reach so carve through 90degrees instead of 180.
I throw a few duck gybes too which is quite satisfying with a 9.5m sail.
Light winds gybes are using the sail to steer or flare gybes if you want to play around.
ALL HAIL THE RACEBOARD. sailed shortboards in the 80-90s. Never would i look at a raceboard. Now im older n chunkier. The raceboard reigns supreme. 5-25kts its a destroyer. Sure its not as manouverable as a shorty. Kinda hard to bump n jump. But it goes anywhere anytime. Im keeping up with quite a few shortboarders where i sail. TOW is what its ALL about for me. Raceboards are ![]()
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What style of Gybe are you guys doing on your raceboards?
Are you doing a full planing gybe, with centreboard retracted?
Are you doing lower wind gybes with centre down and leaning on the outside rail?
You can do a full planing gybe on any Raceboard (or a one handed duck gybe if you want) and on just about any longboard designed since about 1983...or even earlier.

I can also completely understand the people who would rather sail a shortboard in big breeze. There are so many different factors that make us love what we do that it seems odds for anyone to say one thing is better than any other.
What style of Gybe are you guys doing on your raceboards?
Are you doing a full planing gybe, with centreboard retracted?
Are you doing lower wind gybes with centre down and leaning on the outside rail?
You can do a full planing gybe on any Raceboard (or a one handed duck gybe if you want) and on just about any longboard designed since about 1983...or even earlier.

I can also completely understand the people who would rather sail a shortboard in big breeze. There are so many different factors that make us love what we do that it seems odds for anyone to say one thing is better than any other.
who is that pulling off a full planing gybe on a one design,i can hardly ever do that on short board any more,impressive.
It depends if you want to zipper back and forth or go exploring. Upwind on a raceboard in a breeze is too easy, just sitting on rail locked in and then broad reaches in the back straps home.
What style of Gybe are you guys doing on your raceboards?
Raceboard world champ Ivan Pastor RSX duck gybe:

What style of Gybe are you guys doing on your raceboards?
Are you doing a full planing gybe, with centreboard retracted?
Are you doing lower wind gybes with centre down and leaning on the outside rail?
You can do a full planing gybe on any Raceboard (or a one handed duck gybe if you want) and on just about any longboard designed since about 1983...or even earlier.

I can also completely understand the people who would rather sail a shortboard in big breeze. There are so many different factors that make us love what we do that it seems odds for anyone to say one thing is better than any other.
who is that pulling off a full planing gybe on a one design,i can hardly ever do that on short board any more,impressive.
I admit it's me. They aren't as easy to keep planing as a Raceboard, partly because whether you are gybing normally or ducking the rig flip is slower, but it's still fun.
What style of Gybe are you guys doing on your raceboards?
Are you doing a full planing gybe, with centreboard retracted?
Are you doing lower wind gybes with centre down and leaning on the outside rail?
You can do a full planing gybe on any Raceboard (or a one handed duck gybe if you want) and on just about any longboard designed since about 1983...or even earlier.

I can also completely understand the people who would rather sail a shortboard in big breeze. There are so many different factors that make us love what we do that it seems odds for anyone to say one thing is better than any other.
who is that pulling off a full planing gybe on a one design,i can hardly ever do that on short board any more,impressive.
I admit it's me. They aren't as easy to keep planing as a Raceboard, partly because whether you are gybing normally or ducking the rig flip is slower, but it's still fun.
crap are raceboards easy to gybe??,ar crap.