Forums > Windsurfing General

Is it ok to leave cams on the mast leaving a sail rigged ?

Reply
Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 18 Jun 2023
sboardcrazy
NSW, 8225 posts
18 Jun 2023 1:04PM
Thumbs Up

I'm doing dryland gybe practise as part of rehab.
I'm leaving the 7m Turbo rigged in the garage. I've let the outhaul and downhaul off a fair bit but the cams are still on the mast.
Is this ok or will it damage the sail?
If it's an issue I'll take them off. I'll be using the sail very few days.

peterowensbabs
NSW, 496 posts
18 Jun 2023 3:33PM
Thumbs Up

No expert but I'll bet the hassle of popping them on and off along with the associated crinkling and creasing does more harm than leaving them on but not under tension.

Matt UK
281 posts
18 Jun 2023 3:07PM
Thumbs Up

They do load up a little bit of pressure where they sit.

Personally I'd put some tape on the mast where they sit just for safety. If the tape wears out just replace it.

patronus
479 posts
18 Jun 2023 3:59PM
Thumbs Up

I've the 7.5m and would only leave rigged with right tension. Any less and the wrong parts of sail look stressed. You're more likley to stress and wear wrong parts of sail leaving rigged with less downhaul than damaging mast with full tension. It only takes minutes to rig anyway.

musorianin
QLD, 597 posts
18 Jun 2023 6:19PM
Thumbs Up

why not use an old small non cammed sail for your practice, if you have one lying around?. I would agree with above that leaving cams in on but without other tension probably isn't great for loading up parts of the sail in ways that aren't intended

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
18 Jun 2023 4:27PM
Thumbs Up

I'd be inclined to take the cams off the mast and release most of the tension. Definitely wouldn't leave them seated on the mast with no tension. Too much stress/bend on the battens where they go into the camber inducers.

decrepit
WA, 12767 posts
18 Jun 2023 5:35PM
Thumbs Up

Yes it's probably more stress on the battens than anything else

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8225 posts
19 Jun 2023 7:34AM
Thumbs Up

OK.I'll pop them off but leave a little tension on.
I started with the 5.7m Gator. I'm on the 7m - 90ltres now.
I want to move to the 7.5m on the 112ltre eventually.
My hand was hurting pulling the rig back across after the flip. It's ok with the 7m now.
I'm on an acreage. Just for interest I put the gpstc datafield on as I practise. All the trips taking all the bits across to the flat spot near the house rack up 1km..
If it's too much hassle I'll avoid doing it.
I don't have much time so it's easier to keep it rigged.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8225 posts
19 Jun 2023 4:31PM
Thumbs Up

I rang the Severne shop in WA to get some advice. They said let the downhaul off about half but leave a bit of outhaul on. The cams are ok left on as long as there is a bit of outhaul. Rotate the mast around occasionally so it doesn't get a bend and all should be good.

John340
QLD, 3363 posts
19 Jun 2023 9:08PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
sboardcrazy said..
I rang the Severne shop in WA to get some advice. They said let the downhaul off about half but leave a bit of outhaul on. The cams are ok left on as long as there is a bit of outhaul. Rotate the mast around occasionally so it doesn't get a bend and all should be good.


The mast is the real issue. The only time I left a sail rigged for multiple days, the mast developed a permanent deflection.

mr love
VIC, 2403 posts
19 Jun 2023 11:07PM
Thumbs Up

Yep correct..the mast will take on a permanent bend

segler
WA, 1656 posts
19 Jun 2023 11:29PM
Thumbs Up

Yes, the mast will take on a permanent bend. People like Vela who leave their gear rigged for months know all about this.

At formula racing events I have participated in over the years, we all released some downhaul tension, maintained most of the outhaul tension, and popped the cams off the mast for overnight. This allowed the mast to go mostly straight in the sleeve. Then, the next day, it was easy to pull the outhaul, pop the cams back onto the mast, and downhaul. Done.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8225 posts
20 Jun 2023 8:02AM
Thumbs Up

Mmm I think I'll play it safe and take it down..grr more work..I suppose I have to do it if I sail.

Imax1
QLD, 4925 posts
20 Jun 2023 4:22PM
Thumbs Up

Rigging is a kind of rehab.

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
20 Jun 2023 5:46PM
Thumbs Up

^^^ rigging is my winter sport.


it goes something like this:

trees rustle outside.


Subsonic packs up the wet wetsuit (still wet from last week.) and drives to the beach/river.

Subsonic arrives at beach. No wind to speak of. Sit around for a half hour twiddling thumbs

7knot gust. Almost enough for the foil, better get rigged.

gear rigged, wind gone. Begin tweaking gear.


here comes some rain, still no wind. Jump in van for 10min.

get out of van. Gear soaked, still no wind.

pack gear up and head home. Re hang wet wetsuit again ready for next week.


standard winter play for me.

Paducah
2786 posts
20 Jun 2023 10:35PM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Subsonic said..
^^^ rigging is my winter sport.


it goes something like this:

trees rustle outside.


Subsonic packs up the wet wetsuit (still wet from last week.) and drives to the beach/river.

Subsonic arrives at beach. No wind to speak of. Sit around for a half hour twiddling thumbs

7knot gust. Almost enough for the foil, better get rigged.

gear rigged, wind gone. Begin tweaking gear.


here comes some rain, still no wind. Jump in van for 10min.

get out of van. Gear soaked, still no wind.

pack gear up and head home. Re hang wet wetsuit again ready for next week.


standard winter play for me.


Are you me?

A wet wetsuit on a cold day? Oh, that's inhumane.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8225 posts
23 Jun 2023 9:06AM
Thumbs Up

Select to expand quote
Imax1 said..
Rigging is a kind of rehab.


Yep but boring..
When I first tried to get back into sailing I had trouble. We split it up. One day I had to pull the required board and gear out of the van and put it back .
Rig up the next .
Get into my wetsuit and harness the next and then gradually add tasks to build up my wrist.
I found the first time I tried sailing ( prior to this) the
body / wrist couldn't cope with driving 2hrs, rigging, getting into the gear, carrying it into the water, sailing and reverse.

RoyalontheFoil
WA, 161 posts
23 Jun 2023 12:55PM
Thumbs Up

I used to leave my techno sails rigged with no cams and lots of out haul and no downhaul, it mainly damaged my luff sleeve but only cosmetically. (3mm hole in my 8.5 and 6mm in 7.8) Idk about other masts but we want our masts to bend as there is no shape in it prior?



Subscribe
Reply

Forums > Windsurfing General


"Is it ok to leave cams on the mast leaving a sail rigged ?" started by sboardcrazy