Select to expand quoteG'day all,
Love this site and was wondering if the more learned amongst us could please give me a few pointers.
I began my sailing career on Tinaroo Dam in North Queensland in the 90's and then sailed a few seasons in Perth at Safety Bay, the river and Leightons about 8 years ago on an old F2 Axis 272 (which I loved) and a couple of no cam free ride NP's. Had a ball, loved every minute (mostly). I would say I'm lower intermediate level.
After a lengthy hiatus I have recently acquired a basically brand new Evo 5 7.8m and an X6 460 SDM mast (for a song) in the quest to evolve and go faster however am not having much luck rigging this bad girl due to cams popping off the mast although I'm following the partial outhaul method.
I suspect it's operator error and have googled endlessly but thought I'd revert to the brains trust for some more targeted info.
Is it possible to rig this sail on this mast or do I need an X9 or an RDM?
Also what is the general feel about this sail, is this model any good?
Any tips, tricks or info would be tip top.
Cheers
I'm not gonna lock in any answers, but cams popping off whilst rigging can sometimes mean there is, or will be too much distance between the cam and the mast, which means some spacing is required between the camber inducer and the batten end it sits over. I believe NP use a string line mechanism to do the spacing ( I'll leave that for an NP expert, as I haven't the foggiest how it works).
in the mean time there is another way to rig the sail where you tension the downhaul almost all the way and shunt the cam onto the mast using your knee while you push on the batten through the zipper access point on the luff tube to induce the bend required. All done before you put the boom on. That might help to get it rigged. You'll then be able to feel if there's any distance between the mast and camber inducer, because you'll be able to wiggle the camber inducer whilst it's on the mast.
I've owned a few of these sails . That mast will work great with that sail . Don't rig by the numbers , they can be out . This sail needs a LOT of downhaul and will feel heavy and wrong if it doesn't have enough . There is a lot to these sails .
PM me .
Select to expand quoteMartinF2 said..
Hope these help.
Cheers MartinF2,
I did find these procedures on the net but could not seem to pop a cam into place in the same way as depicted, without another cam popping out. have some additional tips to work with now.
Thanks a mill.
Select to expand quoteSubsonic said..
I'm not gonna lock in any answers, but cams popping off whilst rigging can sometimes mean there is, or will be too much distance between the cam and the mast, which means some spacing is required between the camber inducer and the batten end it sits over. I believe NP use a string line mechanism to do the spacing ( I'll leave that for an NP expert, as I haven't the foggiest how it works).
in the mean time there is another way to rig the sail where you tension the downhaul almost all the way and shunt the cam onto the mast using your knee while you push on the batten through the zipper access point on the luff tube to induce the bend required. All done before you put the boom on. That might help to get it rigged. You'll then be able to feel if there's any distance between the mast and camber inducer, because you'll be able to wiggle the camber inducer whilst it's on the mast.
Thanks Subsonic, feedback much appreciated mate.
Select to expand quotechoco said..
Great sail power locked in nice and low, I purchased the 6,4m love it.
Cheers Choco
Select to expand quotep4prawny said..MartinF2 said..
Hope these help.
Cheers MartinF2,
I did find these procedures on the net but could not seem to pop a cam into place in the same way as depicted, without another cam popping out. have some additional tips to work with now.
Thanks a mill.
Add a bit downhaul until the cams stay on as you pop them on.
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..p4prawny said..MartinF2 said..
Hope these help.
Cheers MartinF2,
I did find these procedures on the net but could not seem to pop a cam into place in the same way as depicted, without another cam popping out. have some additional tips to work with now.
Thanks a mill.
Add a bit downhaul until the cams stay on as you pop them on.
Cheers John 340.
Had a few of these, almost as good as the legendary Evo 1's,just built a bit lighter so didn't last, having said that I, still have a 6.4 and 5.8 ,still hold there own specially when it's honking,also a 6.7 evo1, in my humble opinion the best 17-25 knot sail ever for someone of my weigh, will be a sad when it explodes.l digress a little.
I found the best way to rig these is to downhaul first (not fully) 70-80% so mast curves into luff pocket right up next to the mast end if the cam,then apply out haul,most of it.Then start at cam above boom,and work your way up,then do the bottom 2 working down,the very bottom one is the most difficult (they do seem to flex a lot further than seems healthy). Need to keep a eye on the very top one it some times likes to pop off at this point, complete down haul at least till leach is laying off to batton above boom ,or more if in top end of wind range .tweak outhaul.now find a hell gust grit your teeth and bear away.YEHAAAA
on my HGO i downhaul all the way, put boom on and apply outhaul very loosely, ease all downhaul, put cam below boom on and then the bottom cam, pull downhaul slightly just about 10cm of downhaul rope if (8 to 1) or 5cm if (6 to 1), put cam above boom on then the top cam. if you don't re apply a little downhaul after putting on bottom cams the tops ones are always gonna pop off. then downhaul to go sailing.
to de rig just take off boom and loosen downhaul slowly until all the cams pop off then remove mast from sail.
also check cams are straight with mast after applying full downhaul as sometimes the sail moves down the mast but the cams don't.
Select to expand quoteAUS-024 said..
on my HGO i downhaul all the way, put boom on and apply outhaul very loosely, ease all downhaul, put cam below boom on and then the bottom cam, pull downhaul slightly just about 10cm of downhaul rope if (8 to 1) or 5cm if (6 to 1), put cam above boom on then the top cam. if you don't re apply a little downhaul after putting on bottom cams the tops ones are always gonna pop off. then downhaul to go sailing.
to de rig just take off boom and loosen downhaul slowly until all the cams pop off then remove mast from sail.
also check cams are straight with mast after applying full downhaul as sometimes the sail moves down the mast but the cams don't.
It's possible without a boom to put cams on, like with a hands length of downhaul and then put cams on
I would not let the camms pop off themselves when de rigging . The tips of the battens will snap off .
Release 10 cm or so of downhaul and pop off the top camms by hand . Another 5 cm to do the bottom camms . Then release outhaul and take off boom .
Select to expand quoteRoy1000 said..AUS-024 said..
on my HGO i downhaul all the way, put boom on and apply outhaul very loosely, ease all downhaul, put cam below boom on and then the bottom cam, pull downhaul slightly just about 10cm of downhaul rope if (8 to 1) or 5cm if (6 to 1), put cam above boom on then the top cam. if you don't re apply a little downhaul after putting on bottom cams the tops ones are always gonna pop off. then downhaul to go sailing.
to de rig just take off boom and loosen downhaul slowly until all the cams pop off then remove mast from sail.
also check cams are straight with mast after applying full downhaul as sometimes the sail moves down the mast but the cams don't.
It's possible without a boom to put cams on, like with a hands length of downhaul and then put cams on
Not Pryde sails, with my Duotone warps 2019 onwards down haul 5cm short. Put cams 1 & 2 on , down haul to spec required cams 3 & 4 pop straight on. Boom last. Easiest rigging race sails I have ever used
Select to expand quoteImax1 said..
I would not let the camms pop off themselves when de rigging . The tips of the battens will snap off .
Release 10 cm or so of downhaul and pop off the top camms by hand . Another 5 cm to do the bottom camms . Then release outhaul and take off boom .
Even with the roller cams?
Select to expand quoteRoy1000 said..Imax1 said..
I would not let the camms pop off themselves when de rigging . The tips of the battens will snap off .
Release 10 cm or so of downhaul and pop off the top camms by hand . Another 5 cm to do the bottom camms . Then release outhaul and take off boom .
Even with the roller cams?
I have broken many batten tips off my Evo and V8s over the years . The Evos are easy to remove . The V8s are a son of a bitch . It just scares me the angle those batten tips go through before naturally popping off . It's like 45 deg in the last six inches of the batten .
Select to expand quoteImax1 said..Roy1000 said..Imax1 said..
I would not let the camms pop off themselves when de rigging . The tips of the battens will snap off .
Release 10 cm or so of downhaul and pop off the top camms by hand . Another 5 cm to do the bottom camms . Then release outhaul and take off boom .
Even with the roller cams?
I have broken many batten tips off my Evo and V8s over the years . The Evos are easy to remove . The V8s are a son of a bitch . It just scares me the angle those batten tips go through before naturally popping off . It's like 45 deg in the last six inches of the batten .
On the hyper glide they like instantly pop off tho?
Select to expand quoteRoy1000 said..Imax1 said..Roy1000 said..Imax1 said..
I would not let the camms pop off themselves when de rigging . The tips of the battens will snap off .
Release 10 cm or so of downhaul and pop off the top camms by hand . Another 5 cm to do the bottom camms . Then release outhaul and take off boom .
Even with the roller cams?
I have broken many batten tips off my Evo and V8s over the years . The Evos are easy to remove . The V8s are a son of a bitch . It just scares me the angle those batten tips go through before naturally popping off . It's like 45 deg in the last six inches of the batten .
On the hyper glide they like instantly pop off tho?
I've seen "derigging technique" videos where the demonstrator just releases the downhaul and lets them all pop off. But imax is right, releasing the downhaul and letting them all pop off by themselves isn't a great way to treat the batten tips on any cambered sail. The cam doesn't just slip off to the side of the mast, it twists the whole batten tip it sits over on a nasty angle before the pressure gets too much and it pops off. A lot of the time you'll get away with it. Repeating the process over and over may eventually munch the batten tip.
Select to expand quoteRoy1000 said..Imax1 said..Roy1000 said..Imax1 said..
I would not let the camms pop off themselves when de rigging . The tips of the battens will snap off .
Release 10 cm or so of downhaul and pop off the top camms by hand . Another 5 cm to do the bottom camms . Then release outhaul and take off boom .
Even with the roller cams?
I have broken many batten tips off my Evo and V8s over the years . The Evos are easy to remove . The V8s are a son of a bitch . It just scares me the angle those batten tips go through before naturally popping off . It's like 45 deg in the last six inches of the batten .
On the hyper glide they like instantly pop off tho?
The hyperglides do still have have an amount that you can release the downhaul without anything popping off.
the "recommended" way to do it is the rigging up technique in reverse: release downhaul, push the cams off by hand, redownhaul, undo and remove boom, then release the downhaul completely. But i've only ever seen 1 person do it this way ever.
