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Does anyone still use std dia masts, and why?

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Created by GazMan > 9 months ago, 8 Sep 2009
GazMan
WA, 847 posts
8 Sep 2009 11:14PM
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It would appear that a lot of people have switched over to reduced dia masts judging by the number of comments on Seabreeze forums regarding the benefits of rdm over sdm.

So does anyone who windsurfs with std dia masts have an opinion or perspective as to why they continue to use them?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
9 Sep 2009 7:17AM
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I use SDMs as that is what I have and they work perfectly well for me and the sails I have.

555
892 posts
9 Sep 2009 5:48AM
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What Moby said.

I can't afford to replace all my gear annually, and other than UJ tendons, and a wetsuit, I haven't bought anything brand new yet.

Does anyone still have factory wheels on their car, or is everyone using shiny mags?

WindmanV
VIC, 788 posts
9 Sep 2009 8:45AM
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I still use the SDM's because these are the masts designed for my sails. Some of my friends have swapped to RDM's, but again because these are the ones recommended for the new sails that they bought.

It's been years since I last busted an SDM (and they were the dreaded early X9's from NP) and even though the last month has been brutal for big winds and wave board use here in Vic, I still see no valid reason to swap to RDM's.

shear tip
NSW, 1125 posts
9 Sep 2009 9:08AM
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This raises another question: When do you decide to replace a mast?

My most used mast is from about 2000 and still going strong. (watch it snap on Saturday)

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
9 Sep 2009 9:18AM
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shear tip said...

This raises another question: When do you decide to replace a mast?

My most used mast is from about 2000 and still going strong. (watch it snap on Saturday)


Easy question...I replace mine when it breaks...which is generally once or twice per year!

As for SDM vs RDM...I bought a bulk lot of 2nd hand sails off seabreeze...all cammed, so I'll be SDM for a long time yet, although I was told when I bought my last SDM mast that there's less breakages with RDMs...

DavMen
NSW, 1508 posts
9 Sep 2009 9:37AM
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shear tip said...

My most used mast is from about 2000 and still going strong. (watch it snap on Saturday)


I'm going to be there on Saturday to watch that

easty
TAS, 2213 posts
9 Sep 2009 9:42AM
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what Moby said and what Sheartip said.

sailpilot
QLD, 785 posts
9 Sep 2009 12:07PM
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I'm now using the north drop shape masts so I don't need to replace extensions and mastfoot stuff, the diameter is a bit smaller but not rdm small. Maybe a middle of the road mast for old pussies that require a slow rate of change.

Mark _australia
WA, 23436 posts
9 Sep 2009 10:16AM
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When they do break they make good rod holders for beach rods. Better than PVC.

RDM's are to skinny (and don't break)

garyk
QLD, 277 posts
9 Sep 2009 1:10PM
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(and don't break)

Sorry mark but skinny masts do break, but I still like em.

MikeyS
VIC, 1509 posts
9 Sep 2009 1:50PM
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Last mast I broke was aluminium!

SDMs work fine for me and I ain't going to shell out to replace 3 masts unnecessarily.

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
9 Sep 2009 12:16PM
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Are RDMs just for increased strength when getting pounded by waves or do they improve sail performance?
If you only sail on flat water is there any point in changing to skinny masts?

pirrad
SA, 850 posts
9 Sep 2009 2:43PM
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Shoot yea SDM's but even more people should be using RDM's and there will be even more SDM's on the SH market.Saves me $.To improve my sailing,things i should do..loose 5-10kg[get fitter]...stop smoking.....trade my 5yr old boards on the latest faster models....trade my[av] 4 yr old sails in on the latest faster models....buy carbon booms &rdm mast.OOPS,need to move somewhere where the wind blows more ,first priority.

KiwiBones
WA, 25 posts
9 Sep 2009 2:13PM
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Being fairly new to the sport still run SDM because thats what you get in the 2nd hand market as a poor newbie. All my sails recommend SDM and perform really well with the the masts I have. Plus I don't think an RDM will suddenly make me land fowards or vulcans overnight either.

Back in Auckland only the top competitive wave, freestyle sailors etc are using RDM- most of the general sailing crew are still on SDM. Of course there are also those show ponies who have to have the latest gear.. but most of that type have gone to the dark side.

I will no doubt be forced into RDM when I get new sails etc in the next year or so. But at this stage my $150 masts work superbly.


Mark _australia
WA, 23436 posts
9 Sep 2009 2:44PM
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garyk said...

(and don't break)

Sorry mark but skinny masts do break, but I still like em.




Yes I know I meant not often enough to make rod holders out of them

KiwiBones
WA, 25 posts
9 Sep 2009 2:51PM
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I know a few racer type guys who have gone RDM and then gone back to SDM because they didn't like the feel of the RDM, different flex and response characteristics.

Another thing to note is that due to the smaller diameter of the RDM and a therefore more acute impact point, it does a lot more damage to your board and in my mates case your leg. Helicopter tack gone wrong equals shin bone in two pieces.. Ouch!

garyk
QLD, 277 posts
9 Sep 2009 4:55PM
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Mmmm There is consistancy in this forum

This is off topic but I have to get it of my chest.

Each to there own and I understand that things are tight at the moment "BUT"
Its a cheap sport compared to others and if we all ride 90's and early 2000's gear where does that leave our sport in the future. UP S##T CREEK.

We might have to import old gear from some other countries where they give a F because there wont be any half decent gear around here and watch our sport die

JayBee
NSW, 714 posts
9 Sep 2009 5:05PM
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garyk,

I do not get the same feeling as you. I think peopel like to use their gear until it breaks, then have no issues buyiing new gear.

I have Formula equipment that I update regularly. I also have a smaller gear that I will not replace for some time because I spend over 80% of my TOW on Formula.

It would be nice to have newer gear all the time, but everyone to their own.

JB

pweedas
WA, 4642 posts
9 Sep 2009 3:06PM
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Windxtasy said...

Are RDMs just for increased strength when getting pounded by waves or do they improve sail performance?
If you only sail on flat water is there any point in changing to skinny masts?


Of course there is!
Long ago in a galaxy far away, no, hang on. It was right here on planet earth.
It started off that a single piece fibreglass mast was all you needed.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a bendy single piece fibreglass mast.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a two piece bendy fibreglass mast.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a 2 piece, bendy carbon mast.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a,... (geez. what can we sell them next? longer? shorter? fatter? thinner? hey that's it),... a 2 piece, bendy carbon skinny mast.

Thus the new sails and other gear is made for the new skinny masts, which will be current until everyone has changed over and then we will all go back to the 'all new' standard diam. masts. I think that's how it works. It's all pretty simple really.
So Ms xstasy, do the right thing by the industry and run out right now and buy a new RDM.
In fact buy 2 or 3 to help stimulate the economy.

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
9 Sep 2009 5:07PM
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I give an F, I just don't have enough F'n money, a bit like F'n everybody else on this thread,

garyk
QLD, 277 posts
9 Sep 2009 5:29PM
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Its all about sacrifice.

Most people, smoke, drink, gamble, go out for dinner, buy fancy cars and so on.....

If you really loved windsurfing you would only have to give up one bad habit to buy new kit maybe every 2 or 3 years.

Wannabe
NSW, 148 posts
9 Sep 2009 6:02PM
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garyk said...

Its all about sacrifice.

Most people, smoke, drink, gamble, go out for dinner, buy fancy cars and so on.....

If you really loved windsurfing you would only have to give up one bad habit to buy new kit maybe every 2 or 3 years.


I dont smoke, drink only a little, don't gamble, rarely go out for dinner, drive a '99 express van (ie not fancy)... and so on.

No, i don't earn much money. What i do gets spent either on windsurfing or sailing. I dont have much windsurfing gear, so why should i buy something essentially the same as something I already have, so that someone else can have a cheep board/mast/sail...

Yeah, if i was earning 100K i would most likely replace lots of gear every year, but for now most of the guys here are doing the best they can

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
9 Sep 2009 6:13PM
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garyk said...

Its all about sacrifice.

Most people, smoke, drink, gamble, go out for dinner, buy fancy cars and so on.....

If you really loved windsurfing you would only have to give up one bad habit to buy new kit maybe every 2 or 3 years.


What a load of crap.
I also don't drink, don't gamble don't smoke.
I am also not rude enough to tell other people their prioities and what they should be sacrificing and spending their money on.

steller_3
QLD, 123 posts
9 Sep 2009 6:26PM
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its a catch 22

earn $100 grand per yr + you suffer in lack of sailing time,

earn less, have more sailing time on older gear

and those with a mircle job that pays well and has a good 30-40afternoons sick leave, when are you resigning?

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
9 Sep 2009 4:54PM
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pweedas said...

Windxtasy said...

Are RDMs just for increased strength when getting pounded by waves or do they improve sail performance?
If you only sail on flat water is there any point in changing to skinny masts?


Of course there is!
Long ago in a galaxy far away, no, hang on. It was right here on planet earth.
It started off that a single piece fibreglass mast was all you needed.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a bendy single piece fibreglass mast.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a two piece bendy fibreglass mast.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a 2 piece, bendy carbon mast.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a,... (geez. what can we sell them next? longer? shorter? fatter? thinner? hey that's it),... a 2 piece, bendy carbon skinny mast.

Thus the new sails and other gear is made for the new skinny masts, which will be current until everyone has changed over and then we will all go back to the 'all new' standard diam. masts. I think that's how it works. It's all pretty simple really.
So Ms xstasy, do the right thing by the industry and run out right now and buy a new RDM.
In fact buy 2 or 3 to help stimulate the economy.



I've already been through the first four stages...
and could see an advantage to upgrading other than being fashionable
2 pce mast fits in the car and doesn't need tying on the roofrack,
carbon mast is much lighter and easier to waterstart and handle especially for the kids,
what is the advantage in RDM if you are not a wavesailor?

Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
9 Sep 2009 5:01PM
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wormy said...

garyk said...

Its all about sacrifice.

Most people, smoke, drink, gamble, go out for dinner, buy fancy cars and so on.....

If you really loved windsurfing you would only have to give up one bad habit to buy new kit maybe every 2 or 3 years.


What a load of crap.
I also don't drink, don't gamble don't smoke.
I am also not rude enough to tell other people their prioities and what they should be sacrificing and spending their money on.



Wannabe said:
I dont smoke, drink only a little, don't gamble, rarely go out for dinner, drive a '99 express van (ie not fancy)... and so on.

Windxtasy says:
I don't drink, gamble, smoke, go out for dinner, drive fancy cars either...
... hang on, theres a bit of a trend here...
Perhaps windsurfers cant afford those other vices/luxuries? because of what they spend on gear?
Perhaps we don't need vices/luxuries because our wholesome pastime is so fulfilling...
Perhaps we choose lifestyle over income?

Mark _australia
WA, 23436 posts
9 Sep 2009 6:42PM
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pweedas said...

Windxtasy said...

Are RDMs just for increased strength when getting pounded by waves or do they improve sail performance?
If you only sail on flat water is there any point in changing to skinny masts?


Of course there is!
Long ago in a galaxy far away, no, hang on. It was right here on planet earth.
It started off that a single piece fibreglass mast was all you needed.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a bendy single piece fibreglass mast.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a two piece bendy fibreglass mast.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a 2 piece, bendy carbon mast.
Once everyone had one, what you really needed was a,... (geez. what can we sell them next? longer? shorter? fatter? thinner? hey that's it),... a 2 piece, bendy carbon skinny mast.

Thus the new sails and other gear is made for the new skinny masts, which will be current until everyone has changed over and then we will all go back to the 'all new' standard diam. masts. I think that's how it works. It's all pretty simple really.
So Ms xstasy, do the right thing by the industry and run out right now and buy a new RDM.
In fact buy 2 or 3 to help stimulate the economy.



A bit pessimistic I think.

Skinnies are stronger, period.

However a lot of what you said does apply to some components

dism
NSW, 660 posts
9 Sep 2009 9:28PM
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Drink a few less beers a week, and don't buy as much takeaway (after several months)= new RDM!

Could potentially save $60 a week, so bout 10 weeks till new RDM (based on Loft 400 100% carbon RDM)

It's a personal choice, what do you prefer, nice gear or other?

garyk
QLD, 277 posts
9 Sep 2009 9:37PM
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dism said...

Drink a few less beers a week, and don't buy as much takeaway (aver several months)= new RDM!



Takeaway for lunch each day is a whole new kit every year

I find if I buy old kit It keeps breaking and I spend more $$$ replacing it all the time. Nothing beats nice crisp gear.

Rider5
WA, 567 posts
9 Sep 2009 7:51PM
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Been using RDM for over 10 years now. Didn't know they still sold SDM's



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