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Created by Beaglebuddy > 9 months ago, 10 Jan 2013
Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
10 Jan 2013 6:47PM
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A board less than a year old develops a buckle across the width on the bottom like it's getting ready to break in half, what should the owner expect from the brand?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
10 Jan 2013 9:51PM
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Depends on how it was used. Has it had many jumps with flat landings? Sounds like it's creased from one flat landing too many.

decrepit
WA, 12761 posts
10 Jan 2013 7:53PM
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Agree with moby, but all the same a wave board should be built to handle jumps.
If you weigh a ton, and/or were doing stuff the board wasn't intended to do, then that's what you'd expect.
But if not, then you've got cause for complaint.
Depends on your retailer/brand rep, some are good with warranty some aren't

I've repaired boards, that look like carbon, but when sanded, it's obvious it's just glass with black resin.
This bottom sandwich is not very stiff and so the core foam fatigues quickly usually leading to an early delam, sounds like yours has just bent, then sprung back, could also be due to a soft bottom. How are the rails adjacent to the buckle? For the board to bend enough to buckle the bottom, the rails usually crack.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
10 Jan 2013 11:07PM
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Funny you mention it - I was packing up my 'new' (s/h) board after a very bumpy sail 2 nights ago & noticed obvious 'wrinkles' across the bottom toward the rear & was going to ask the same question...only diff is that this board is a 2004 large freeride so warranty not an option. I tried to physically bend it to check flex, but it didn't budge. The other reason is maybe it has been stored upside down with weight stacked on it over a period of time (ie; years?)

At 110kgs I'm a tad worried that it might end up in 2 pieces if I decide to hit a ramp & not land it right (it might amaze some, but I do land badly sometimes). Would it be worth cutting off the bottom layer & glassing a layer of carbon/glass on the bottom? Obviously it would be better to do the top under some compression but the board's not worth it.

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
10 Jan 2013 9:48PM
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Yea I snapped a 2012 skate in 3 months and it wasn't covered

patsken
WA, 713 posts
10 Jan 2013 10:09PM
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jsnfok said...
Yea I snapped a 2012 skate in 3 months and it wasn't covered



As a consumer you should know your consumer rights !

I'm not sure what a skate is but if it's a wave board or even a freestyle it should be designed and made to take some rough treatment so therefore will be covered under warranty if it breaks while being used for such purpose when that age.

The retailer may say it's not covered, the manufacturer may say it's not covered but the Consumer Affairs/Rights department will say it is covered and are usually very happy to take on these kinds of cases.

You paid a lot of hard earned for the board (I assume) so taking no for an answer in this case should not be an option.

decrepit
WA, 12761 posts
10 Jan 2013 10:44PM
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Sailhack said...
>>>Would it be worth cutting off the bottom layer & glassing a layer of carbon/glass on the bottom? Obviously it would be better to do the top under some compression but the board's not worth it.


Ideally you need to do more than just the surface layer, the whole sandwich should be repaired, but an extra couple of layers of carbon may do the job.

Zed
WA, 1270 posts
11 Jan 2013 10:06AM
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I've had some hideously flat landings on my evos with no problems. They should be designed to handle a certain degree of punishment.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
11 Jan 2013 12:17PM
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Mobydisc said...
Depends on how it was used. Has it had many jumps with flat landings? Sounds like it's creased from one flat landing too many.


Zero jumps and zero flat landings.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
11 Jan 2013 12:19PM
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How are the rails adjacent to the buckle?

Perfect

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
11 Jan 2013 3:25PM
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Take it back to the place you bought it with proof of purchase and tell them about it.

What are the consumer rights laws like in America?

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
11 Jan 2013 12:27PM
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The board is an Exocet Windsup 11'8", it's been lightly used in flat water conditions, I've only been sailing for about a year so I'm not really capable of jumping or riding it very hard in choppy conditions.
Here is the thread I started on it at iwindsurf, www.iwindsurf.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25538
After going back and forth with the dealer for many months here is the email I finally got from Patrice, the owner of Exocet;


Sorry for this late answer, after looking at the pictures and different comments on the forum, i can state that the issue is not due to juncture with PVC



We did have such issues on several short boards with similar crease and in most cases it is due to a hard stress, it does not really matter how many time you have sailed with the board but to me it seems that you "may" have sailed it pretty hard one day in side shore and steep choppy water or took off on a even small jump and got some stress on the board



Such crease can be easily repaired in any shop, but i can't see miss manufacturing from our side



If the whole bottom of the board would been soft then you would have had many more waves and in that case it would have been a clear production problem



Let me know if you have further feedback to give me and will answer you straight away



Best regards

JOYRIDER
705 posts
11 Jan 2013 1:39PM
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patsken said...
jsnfok said...
Yea I snapped a 2012 skate in 3 months and it wasn't covered



As a consumer you should know your consumer rights !

I'm not sure what a skate is but if it's a wave board or even a freestyle it should be designed and made to take some rough treatment so therefore will be covered under warranty if it breaks while being used for such purpose when that age.

The retailer may say it's not covered, the manufacturer may say it's not covered but the Consumer Affairs/Rights department will say it is covered and are usually very happy to take on these kinds of cases.

You paid a lot of hard earned for the board (I assume) so taking no for an answer in this case should not be an option.


Good luck with that.

manufactures have fine print that ACCC know about.
unless it was defective at purchase or didn't do what it was intended to do, then you have nothing.

sorry.

patsken
WA, 713 posts
11 Jan 2013 3:37PM
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JOYRIDER said...
patsken said...
jsnfok said...
Yea I snapped a 2012 skate in 3 months and it wasn't covered



As a consumer you should know your consumer rights !

I'm not sure what a skate is but if it's a wave board or even a freestyle it should be designed and made to take some rough treatment so therefore will be covered under warranty if it breaks while being used for such purpose when that age.

The retailer may say it's not covered, the manufacturer may say it's not covered but the Consumer Affairs/Rights department will say it is covered and are usually very happy to take on these kinds of cases.

You paid a lot of hard earned for the board (I assume) so taking no for an answer in this case should not be an option.


Good luck with that.

manufactures have fine print that ACCC know about.
unless it was defective at purchase or didn't do what it was intended to do, then you have nothing.

sorry.




The fine print doesn't mean a great deal. The consumer laws are quite strong in Aus and are there to be used and tested if a supplier sells a product that is not "fit for purpose". A wave or freestyle board should handle being used in those situations and if it doesn't, you have the right to a replacement, repair or refund.

Most people go to the shop where it was bought (I'm talking about any product) and are told "NO it isn't covered" and put it down to experience. Well it is the retailers responsibility to do all they can to have the problem resolved and should only become iffy as the time from purchase gets longer - more than a year I would say on a product that probably cost $2000 plus.

The department is there to help in these types of situations if you have had no luck firstly with the retailer and then the supplier/manufacturer.

Don't give up so easy is my advice....

dinsdale
WA, 1227 posts
11 Jan 2013 4:10PM
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patsken said...
The fine print doesn't mean a great deal. The consumer laws are quite strong in Aus and are there to be used and tested if a supplier sells a product that is not "fit for purpose". A wave or freestyle board should handle being used in those situations and if it doesn't, you have the right to a replacement, repair or refund.

Most people go to the shop where it was bought (I'm talking about any product) and are told "NO it isn't covered" and put it down to experience. Well it is the retailers responsibility to do all they can to have the problem resolved and should only become iffy as the time from purchase gets longer - more than a year I would say on a product that probably cost $2000 plus.

The department is there to help in these types of situations if you have had no luck firstly with the retailer and then the supplier/manufacturer.

Don't give up so easy is my advice....

Good advice!!! "Fit for purpose" is the operative phrase.

JOYRIDER
705 posts
11 Jan 2013 4:33PM
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patsken said...
JOYRIDER said...
patsken said...
jsnfok said...
Yea I snapped a 2012 skate in 3 months and it wasn't covered



As a consumer you should know your consumer rights !

I'm not sure what a skate is but if it's a wave board or even a freestyle it should be designed and made to take some rough treatment so therefore will be covered under warranty if it breaks while being used for such purpose when that age.

The retailer may say it's not covered, the manufacturer may say it's not covered but the Consumer Affairs/Rights department will say it is covered and are usually very happy to take on these kinds of cases.

You paid a lot of hard earned for the board (I assume) so taking no for an answer in this case should not be an option.


Good luck with that.

manufactures have fine print that ACCC know about.
unless it was defective at purchase or didn't do what it was intended to do, then you have nothing.

sorry.




The fine print doesn't mean a great deal. The consumer laws are quite strong in Aus and are there to be used and tested if a supplier sells a product that is not "fit for purpose". A wave or freestyle board should handle being used in those situations and if it doesn't, you have the right to a replacement, repair or refund.

Most people go to the shop where it was bought (I'm talking about any product) and are told "NO it isn't covered" and put it down to experience. Well it is the retailers responsibility to do all they can to have the problem resolved and should only become iffy as the time from purchase gets longer - more than a year I would say on a product that probably cost $2000 plus.

The department is there to help in these types of situations if you have had no luck firstly with the retailer and then the supplier/manufacturer.

Don't give up so easy is my advice....


so if i buy a new sports car, go for a thrash, loose it and hit the curb and bugger some nice wheels and the suspension then i should get it fixed for free??

the biggest thing is people see pro's riding wave/fresstyle/slalom boards and think they can do the same kind of thing.

the major difference is pros go through boards like the do cartons of milk.
any board sport is the same.

If you buy a board, you get it home or to the beach and see that its not what it should be like, then i totally agree you should be able to get a new one.

But if you ride the thing in less then optimal conditions, do some flat lands, crash a few heavy gybes in the shore break and generally hammer it then unfortunately you wont have much luck.


JOYRIDER
705 posts
11 Jan 2013 4:37PM
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from http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1026241#toc8

What if I have done something that damaged the goods - can I ask the seller to pay to fix this?

You have certain obligations in relation to the products you purchase. For example, you cannot ask the seller to fix the problem if you have been careless with the goods or caused the damage. You also may not be entitled to ask the seller to fix the problem if you have used the goods abnormally or the damage was caused by someone other than the seller or manufacturer, for example, a third party who installed the goods.

DaniS
91 posts
11 Jan 2013 10:27PM
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Hi Beaglebuddy!
Check this link, my friend has the same issue with the Exocet SUP.
boardsurfr.blogspot.com/2012/12/exocet-windsup-10-not-for-surf.html
I am not trying to bash Exocet but sometimes it could be a manufacture problem. They have to be responsible for there products if there is more then one board braking like that.
Good luck,
Dani.

patsken
WA, 713 posts
12 Jan 2013 12:36AM
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JOYRIDER said...
from http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1026241#toc8

What if I have done something that damaged the goods - can I ask the seller to pay to fix this?

You have certain obligations in relation to the products you purchase. For example, you cannot ask the seller to fix the problem if you have been careless with the goods or caused the damage. You also may not be entitled to ask the seller to fix the problem if you have used the goods abnormally or the damage was caused by someone other than the seller or manufacturer, for example, a third party who installed the goods.




There are many different scenarios but the point I'm trying to make is that if you have a product that you use in the manner it is supposedly designed for or advertised as (wave boards with Levi doing double forwards on brand X that you just bought etc come to mind) and it breaks within 3 months with Joe Bloe riding it in onshore half metre slop then you have a VERY good case to argue. I personally wouldn't ask for a warranty if I was extremely hard on a board but lets face it most of us are hard pressed to do more than the odd flat landing....

I'm not overly interested in arguing with you if you don't mind seeing your money being spent on replacing a board (or whatever) when in fact the consumer law offers you more rights than you seem to want. But if I broke a board when it was only 3 months old and knew that I was using in a manner that it should be using it then I would argue for my rights as far as I could..... and not give up at the first hurdle when the retailer says "Nah" !!!!

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
12 Jan 2013 9:07AM
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ok, so the board possibly had creases in it when purchased but your unsure of this, If I would have noticed this I would not have walked out the door with the board. Or if noticed during the first outing then take it back. Consumer law does not warrant What If's. But the shop should atleast check and test the board for there peace of mind as it will be there business with the bad name if it does come back to poor workmanship .

It does not take much for a shop to take the board and look over it for potential manufacture defects, nor would it cost the shop to have it repaired under warranty.

Going by the reply email you received from Exocet they have acknowledged the fact that there was some boards with creases forming of formed during manufacture? This is what I would be looking at under consumer law, that they have said there has been a problem with some said boards. This would atleast warrant some liability on their behalf to look over the board.

Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
12 Jan 2013 1:58PM
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deejay8204 said...
ok, so the board possibly had creases in it when purchased but your unsure of this

To be clear, I just don't know and the reason I say this is because when I first noticed it, it was very slight and easy to overlook, just a slight depression only visible in certain light and the finish was not yet cracked.
It was such a uniform and parallel line without a crack that it seemed to me that for such a crease to form without a crack on the finish would be unlikely and that it must have been there from the beginning, but that's just an uneducted guess on my part.

deejay8204
QLD, 557 posts
12 Jan 2013 6:22PM
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Beaglebuddy said...
deejay8204 said...
ok, so the board possibly had creases in it when purchased but your unsure of this

To be clear, I just don't know and the reason I say this is because when I first noticed it, it was very slight and easy to overlook, just a slight depression only visible in certain light and the finish was not yet cracked.
It was such a uniform and parallel line without a crack that it seemed to me that for such a crease to form without a crack on the finish would be unlikely and that it must have been there from the beginning, but that's just an uneducted guess on my part.



Sorry don't get me wrong, I don't know the last thing about building boards etc. After working in numerous fields, I have learnt to check everything as soon as I purchase something, as I dont like getting jibbed by big name companies.

I am on your side by saying that it is up to the business you bought the board from to atleast do a check on the board to see if it does warrant repair or replacement on the manufactures behalf.

Good luck with getting results but I really dont see it getting to far.



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