Forgive my ignorance, but there's a question that's been puzzling me for a few decades.
We've all heard a hundred times that for a certain size board you should use sail sizes within a certain range, that you don't want to go above or below that range, but I have NEVER heard mention of what happens if you go outside the range.
I'm thinking in particular of waveboards because that's what I mainly sail.
I tried using too big a fin, a 34 carbon Lockwood fin on my 100 litre with a 5m race sail a few weeks ago in winds gusting up to 30 knots.
I ended up around 1.5 kilometres upwind and had one of the most unenjoyable sails ever!
I should have been on my 31 or 32 Volt but I severely underestimated the wind strength.
The bigger fin works great on the board with my 5m but only up to 22 knots max.
With modern sails being a lot lighter you can now use them on smaller boards,
I prefer to go the other way using slightly too big a board for the sail size.
My favourite combo is my 110 Patrik with my R7 6.2 and 37.5 Z fin.
I have tried the 110 with a 6.8 and 7.7 but I just do not enjoy the feel as much.
Others use really big sails with small fins and are able to achieve impressive GPS times but they struggle across and especially upwind.
Always good to experiment to find a combo that works for you.
I've used sails outside the recommended range a bunch of times, including an 8.5 on a 110 l freestyle board, and 3.7 on a 96 l FSW board. On the larger side, things start to feel unbalanced and wrong. It can certainly be done, especially with a larger fin, but it's usually more fun to use a larger board for the larger sail.
On the lower end, the issue usually is water state. If you use a sail that's below specs, you usually can or should use a smaller board, too. That said, I've sold my smaller FSW boards that I used to take in 25+ knots, and now use a 96 l as the smallest FSW board. The board I have handles chop well, and can be sailed in 30-35 knots with proper technique. The main reason is that our wind likes drops suddenly most days, and it's a lot easier being on a bigger board in chop, especially when crossing shipping lanes.
For speed, I still like smaller boards, but that's usually at shallow spots with consistent wind.
It's not like at X number of square meter with Y Liter board will change your board into a pumpkin, but small sail big board is not that bad. Large sail small board is harder...but you can compensate by using a larger fin. You need to be power up, a 80L wave board with a 6.7 freeride/older freestyle may work...but if you try to schlog...it will not be fun...fully powered doable, not optimum. However, if you go wave sail with a floaty waveboard, there is a threshold where larger sail doesn't mean better...it adds weight and by pumping a smaller sail kind'a do the same result...or very close..and sometime better depend of condition and ability. I have a 5.2 but no 5.7...for both foiling and freestyling. The 5.7 would help me a tad on my freestyle 92...but would be too much pain on my 83L waveboard and not enough performance on my foil to justify a 5.7...so too many negative for a 1-2 knots sooner in term of performance on a foil or freestyle, my 2 cents
Select to expand quotewendell said..
Forgive my ignorance, but there's a question that's been puzzling me for a few decades.
We've all heard a hundred times that for a certain size board you should use sail sizes within a certain range, that you don't want to go above or below that range, but I have NEVER heard mention of what happens if you go outside the range.
I'm thinking in particular of waveboards because that's what I mainly sail.
It depends on the conditions.
If you are overpowered and going upwind/across a wave board that is too small will get overwhelmed. It will simply slide to the side instead of going straight were you point it. It can be kind of fun. The wind "picks you up" and moves you the side! You can use a bigger fin to try to compensate but the width and thickness of the tail will put limitations to that.
If you are underpowered nothing particularly bad happens, but the bigger sail does not help much to get on a plane because the volume of the board is too small.
Below range is not too much of a problem with a wave board, but it comes to the point where the flotation of the board is too much for the conditions and the small sail will fill unbalanced.
I put an ACX 6.5 on my RRD FSW 90 (60 cm wide, very thin tail) and a 30 cm fin and it works fine if I am nicely powered. But in the same conditions put that sail on my current venerable slalom board (Exocet Slalom 62 wide 95L) and the board flies away with much better take off and of course speed.
Easy enough. Too big a sail and you sink the board causing drag and lower planing threshold on the low end. May ride like a crab or spinout. At the same time you increase sail top end, it'll work better overpowered.
Too small a sail and the board will feel heavy and cumbersome in the air or simply to stay in control. Without reducing fin size the lift may cause discomfort in your rear leg. Stiff in the turns. On the flip side, low end performance is increased.
I'm not a fan of big sails on small boards. They feel unbalanced. However in gusty conditions, I often use small sails on big boards. I.e I chose the sail size for the gusts and the board size for the lulls.
it totally depends on the conditions you are sailing in and your weight.
When the board company says sail size 4.5m to 6.5m for example they are suggesting that an average weight rider should use that sort of size sail and it would be an uncomfortable rider with sails outside that range.
If you are lighter in weight then you could get away with a larger than recommended size but in stronger winds it might be a bit more out of control than someone riding the board that is larger. Think they usually use the average weight of around 85kg.
yes exactly madge ..weight ..eg i have a 115 Patrik ,it says it can handle a 6,5 - 8,5 ,but best with 7.0 &8.0 ,((2014 model )
with my 95 kgs ,i can use my no cam 8,5 without a worry ,it weighs 4,5 kgs ,then i tried it with my 4 cam 8,6 simmer ,7.2 kgs and thats dry
it sunk the board enough to be a pain in the arse ...to use ...jumped up to the 122 ,bingo the right combo .
I trust the ratings on boards ...they are pretty right with their equations ...width and foam placement on the boards effect their rating ...
eg.Tabou 116 manta ,2017 -2020 models ,they wanted a smaller board that carried a bigger sail ,so increased the tail width and shifted the foam to the rear ..tada ..it works ..
Don't forget the effect of boom length and mast base placement. The location of your mast box is dictated by the range of sails that you would generally use. If you can't get a large sail far enough forward the power won't sit nicely between your hands. This also exacerbates the fin pressure.
Conversely, if you can't get a small sail far enough back it will feel like your over-reaching for the rig. Raising the boom can help a bit but you will be raking the rig further and it will generally still feel very twitchy and unbalanced.
For example, on my 95lt slalom a 7.8 cambered sail is at the extreme front of the box, whereas on my iSonic 107 it is in the middle of the box. It just shows where a 7.8 sits in the designed range for each board.
Select to expand quotewendell said..
Forgive my ignorance, but there's a question that's been puzzling me for a few decades.
We've all heard a hundred times that for a certain size board you should use sail sizes within a certain range, that you don't want to go above or below that range, but I have NEVER heard mention of what happens if you go outside the range.
I'm thinking in particular of waveboards because that's what I mainly sail.
From my experience the recommended range is a starting point, but you'll know if a sail or fin is too big or small for a board because it just won't feel right. Sails too small tend to feel twitchy, sails too big tend to feel very powered up but because of their weight the board may be stuck in the water (even when you're planing).
If a fin is too small for the board width (note volume has far less impact to how a fin feels relative to tail width), you'll notice yourself spinning out a lot. When a fin is too big, depending a bit on the mast track positioning too, the board may try to fly the windward rail excessively causing you to only sail upwind (bearing off would cause the board to rail up further and sometimes flip).
Whilst i haven't sailed every board in existence, this stuff applies to all the boards I have sailed (mostly bump 'n' jump short boards, slalom gear and raceboards), and of course I'm not taking away anything others have said here about rider weight, others' experiences etc, just adding my own. :)
Also keep in mind the venue. Locals in the Gorge seem to use smaller fins than they would elsewhere, because they're always sailing downwind. I've sailed coasts with a severe longshore current with the wind, and you'll certainly need a bigger fin there.
