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Created by FoS > 9 months ago, 8 May 2008
FoS
TAS, 1664 posts
8 May 2008 5:12PM
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Ok so when I was a teen I had a go on some boards,

Then I gre up and stopped playing in the water.

Now I'm welllllll over thrity and found a windsurfer 1 for $100,

Can't let that go, except I've gone as far as that can now with this.

Some statts
195cm (6'5" (6"4" in the cold))
110 -120 KG (who counts in pound still)

I can beach start pretty well, even managed some Clew first sailing, now I'm getting ready to move up a level. Does anyone have a suggestion of board styles.

Oh yeah, around Hobart Tassie, where the apples come from.

dism
NSW, 660 posts
8 May 2008 5:51PM
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A big volume board!

If you wanna get into waves, i've read in a recent windsurfing mag (can't remember which one) but Goya makes a ~140L that someone quoted as saying "they made a wave board for Shaquille O'Neill". He may be a little bigger, but hey go down that track for waves

What style of sailing you like?
What water type you sailing on?

If you like clew first sailing then maybe freemove/freestyle/threestyle boards.
See: Tabou, Fanatic et. al

mineral1
WA, 4564 posts
8 May 2008 4:28PM
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FoS, send a PM to Easty and or Monster over there, they will help you out.
(private message)
But a board around the 140-150 will do you OK. Probably need one that will get you at least two seasons before you look at dropping down in volume.

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
8 May 2008 6:43PM
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Are you planing in the straps and harness?

Hey, what's the sailing like around Hobart? I occasionally think about going home for a holiday, one of these years...

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
8 May 2008 6:48PM
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BTW, 30 is not old!

Never trust anyone under 30!

hardpole
WA, 604 posts
8 May 2008 5:27PM
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Wet Willy said...

BTW, 30 is not old!

Never trust anyone under 30!


I used to say that - now i say

Never trust anyone under 40

dism
NSW, 660 posts
8 May 2008 7:31PM
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Wet Willy said...

BTW, 30 is not old!

Never trust anyone under 30!


In that case, disregard my above post

There is a large majority of the windsurfing crowd (on here at least) that you can trust then!

nobody
NSW, 437 posts
8 May 2008 8:10PM
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FoS said...

Ok so when I was a teen I had a go on some boards,

Then I gre up and stopped playing in the water.

Now I'm welllllll over thrity and found a windsurfer 1 for $100,

Can't let that go, except I've gone as far as that can now with this.

Some statts
195cm (6'5" (6"4" in the cold))
110 -120 KG (who counts in pound still)

I can beach start pretty well, even managed some Clew first sailing, now I'm getting ready to move up a level. Does anyone have a suggestion of board styles.

Oh yeah, around Hobart Tassie, where the apples come from.


I surprised someone hasn't mentioned a GO since this is the GO forum.
See:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=37664

Since you already have a longboard, with your weight you may be interested in a large freeride or free-formula board with 80cm+ in width and plenty of volume. These boards are designed to plane early which is going to be your biggest problem considering your weight. Don't be scared of big rigs too. Your going to need it. Say 8.5m+ should get you planing and be OK until about 20 knots.

Chris 249
NSW, 3514 posts
9 May 2008 7:44AM
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And if you have a Windsurfer 1, don't forget to get down to Sandy Bay Sailing Club on Friday nights during summer, to join in with the fun racing. The original Windsurfer is limited in strong winds (so a Go or something would be great for you) but faster and (IMHO) more fun than most modern boards in light stuff.

Ellobuddha
NSW, 625 posts
9 May 2008 12:31PM
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FoS,

Im relatively in the same boat as you except I got off a old windsurfer about 20 years ago.

I have just recently started getting back into it.

I think you should look at something like an JP X-Cite ride, Fanatic Shark or similar.

I am 100kg and bought a 130ltr Xcite ride and am stoked with it. Its got enough float for me to uphaul when needed (currently waiting for wind to get some waterstart practise)

For me personally this was the best choice - in consultation with heaps of others, escpecially on this site. Its great as the board is still advanced for me and when I get to a good enough level to go a smaller (displacement) board, the 130 will still serve me for lighter days.

I think with where you say you are in skill level (me same level), you should look at something like this in possibly the next size up 140-145 litre, so you can still uphaul when needed - you will get heaps out of a board like this.

Good luck with it, its great to be back into it again. Just cant seem to get any wind or time off lately though. Rock on November NE.

Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
9 May 2008 3:32PM
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Ellobuddha said...

FoS,

For me personally this was the best choice - in consultation with heaps of others, escpecially on this site. Its great as the board is still advanced for me and when I get to a good enough level to go a smaller (displacement) board, the 130 will still serve me for lighter days.


Dislacement board? Like a Starboard Serenity or the old round-bottomed pre-One Design olympic sailboards?? Are you sure that's the way you want to go?
Sorry to be a smarty pants. Modern boards are designed for planing, not displacement-style sailing, aren't they? Ooh, I just love being right.

nobody
NSW, 437 posts
9 May 2008 4:35PM
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Wet Willy said...

Dislacement board? Like a Starboard Serenity or the old round-bottomed pre-One Design olympic sailboards?? Are you sure that's the way you want to go?
Sorry to be a smarty pants. Modern boards are designed for planing, not displacement-style sailing, aren't they? Ooh, I just love being right.

So what do you do when you slog? It may not be a short board's primary design, but without the volume to displace the water...

Sounds like we both need some wind.

FoS
TAS, 1664 posts
9 May 2008 10:51PM
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OK It's Gotta be said
THANKS A LOT

I have been loooking at the StarBoard GO - But I wondered wether it would last long enough. And I also Liked the excite, it seemed a little bit more advanced, manuverable.

Water Type - Wet - I live on a little pennisular SthEast of Hobart - with Surf on one edge and sheltered Bays all around, So for a 5 min Drive I can sail the wild southern Ocean heading to NZ or antartica, Or the sheltered Inlets which currently take around 1/2 Hr to get accross and back in a reasonable wind. -12-18ish

I haven't bothered with a harness yet, but it's on the list- Hoping to find a cheap 2nd hand board, with Harness etc- Also this windsurfer 1 doesn't seem to have anywhere for foot straps, so I haven't done that yet either.

What I'd like to do.

I'd like to be able to blast across the flat water, up on the plan (nearly there a couple of times but the current board weighs around 30kg), and then do some really special turns. Then with a flick head out to the waves, and while not doning full inverts, maybe catch a little sky every now and then.

Maybe a couple of years

Oh and I've bit my tounge long enough - You all seem like great guys... Um

but ...


there seems to be anough wind around here

x sport guy
VIC, 110 posts
9 May 2008 11:03PM
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hey there...

cant vouch for the x-cite ride enough.

wasnt sure before i got it whether it was too big a step from a long board or whether i should go for the GO.. but tuns out its easy as to ride. im only a light weight at 70 kgs and have the 120 litre, (probably coulda gone for the 100 or 110) and not sure how big they make them but fairly sure theres a 140 and 150 litre..

have fun

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
9 May 2008 9:09PM
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FoS said...

I'd like to be able to blast across the flat water, up on the plan (nearly there a couple of times but the current board weighs around 30kg),


Hey FoS,

Don't worry too much about not getting planing on that board, I never got my 30kg oil tanker (beginner board) to plane either. When you get a modern board you'll find it a heck of a lot easier to get planing, and that's where the addiction really starts. And with a modern board it won't take as long as you think to do everything you mentioned above

Welcome aboard

Chris 249
NSW, 3514 posts
9 May 2008 11:42PM
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You can DEFINITELY plane on a Windsurfer 1. Top speed logged on a GPS the only time we tried it was 25.4 knots, with 22.5 for 10 seconds.

They are definitely pretty slow (apart from upwind) in steady medium winds, but they do plane!

I'm NOT saying stick with one as your only board, though; a modern widestyle board would be great for you.

easty
TAS, 2213 posts
10 May 2008 2:43PM
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FoS said...

OK It's Gotta be said
THANKS A LOT

I have been loooking at the StarBoard GO - But I wondered wether it would last long enough. And I also Liked the excite, it seemed a little bit more advanced, manuverable.

Water Type - Wet - I live on a little pennisular SthEast of Hobart - with Surf on one edge and sheltered Bays all around, So for a 5 min Drive I can sail the wild southern Ocean heading to NZ or antartica, Or the sheltered Inlets which currently take around 1/2 Hr to get accross and back in a reasonable wind. -12-18ish

I haven't bothered with a harness yet, but it's on the list- Hoping to find a cheap 2nd hand board, with Harness etc- Also this windsurfer 1 doesn't seem to have anywhere for foot straps, so I haven't done that yet either.

What I'd like to do.

I'd like to be able to blast across the flat water, up on the plan (nearly there a couple of times but the current board weighs around 30kg), and then do some really special turns. Then with a flick head out to the waves, and while not doning full inverts, maybe catch a little sky every now and then.

Maybe a couple of years

Oh and I've bit my tounge long enough - You all seem like great guys... Um

but ...


there seems to be anough wind around here


Hi FoS, just noticed this thread. You must be on sth arm, maybe Lauderdale? It's a great spot because as you have noticed we got everything from surf to flat, and a bay for most wind directions. Keep an eye out for others out sailing, and come over for a chat - can probably get some good secondhand gear. When it's westerly or sw check out ralph's bay at lauderdale - launch from the boat ramp area on Doran's Rd. I'll be back on the water as soon as some nasty tropical ulcers heal. (Dunno where they came from, haven't been to the tropics for 6 months.)

FoS
TAS, 1664 posts
10 May 2008 3:53PM
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yep Easty, Rifle Range Rd, Maybe I've met ya, I've been around most weekends trying to catch a seabreeze (around 2pm ish)

Thanks for the encouragement Chris 249, I'm gonna try somemore.

Went out this morning, noticed the wind rising on this site around 10:30, so got it out and going about 11, but if you look here 10:30 was the peak, it just dropped from there

www.seabreeze.com.au/graphs/tasmania.asp
Oh well

FoS
TAS, 1664 posts
18 May 2008 1:21PM
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ok seen this. Does it sound suitable ?
What the transport like to get to tassie (cost and quality)?

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing/Boards/~z2e6/Bic-ASTRO-ROCK-280-cm-140-litres.aspx

Astro Rock 140l

dism
NSW, 660 posts
18 May 2008 5:58PM
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Hrmm, the board may be okay.

But if your using modern sails (monofilm etc, not cloth type) then the mast track
may be too far forward to take the short footed new style sails.

Just guessing from the pics. Newer boards have a further back track. Check with
someone who owns one to be sure. I'm sure the seller could help you out with that.

nobody
NSW, 437 posts
18 May 2008 6:25PM
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FoS said...

ok seen this. Does it sound suitable ?
What the transport like to get to tassie (cost and quality)?

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing/Boards/~z2e6/Bic-ASTRO-ROCK-280-cm-140-litres.aspx

Astro Rock 140l

I did a ratio measurement from the picture and it appears that from the back of the track to the middle of the front footstraps in approx 64cm. A modern board is 43 - 50cm. I would say this board would be hard to get into the straps. Also being from that apparent era ('90s) it would be too thin for an beginner-intermediate as it would likely require a lot of wind to plane. Just my opinion. It would probably best suit the experienced as a higher wind board.

FoS
TAS, 1664 posts
19 May 2008 9:49AM
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Thanks Nobody - that saves me making anopther mistake.

I was going to be in Adelaide next week-and it was the right price.

Ahh well keep looking

FoS
TAS, 1664 posts
11 Jun 2008 5:09PM
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OK after some feedback and checking the web adn looking all around
I've come up with a shortlist

Exocet S Cross 140L
Exocet Nano 155L
JP X-Cite Ride 145L

1 of these with maybe 3 sails from 4.5M - 8M

with 1 flat water and 1 surf/Chop fin.

Any thoughts.

another thing why are harnesses so different in price from online shop to shop ($80 to $180)

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
11 Jun 2008 5:36PM
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S Cross or X-Cite
You will progress further on either of these. Both are good performace boards, Nano's are good for schools, novice's, might be wishing you had something better a few months down the track

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
11 Jun 2008 7:22PM
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FoS,

I've got an Xcite and Fanatic Cross......wouldn't trade either of them for anything...I'm similar size (weight anyway....6'3ht). Got on the Xcite (165lt) today in low wind , flat water, and had a blast!!!

My next board will be 100-110lt (ish). That will about pull me up!

nobody
NSW, 437 posts
11 Jun 2008 7:36PM
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From the test I've read of the Nano it appears to be a good choice, especially for durability and price.
Test:
www.exocet-original.com/
Eg of price:
www.surfsailaustralia.com.au/showProduct/Windsurfing+-+Boards/141+Litres+and+more/nano155/Nano

Personally if I was in your situation I'd either be buying secondhand or getting the Nano with the optional nose protector. Lets face it, your heavy and very likely going to get catapulted many times before you learn to miss the board. Therefore the board's nose is going to get damaged. If your going to buy new, spend less and make sure your past the trash the nose stage before you buy something else.

The other boards would be good too, but you may be upset if you trash the nose within a week. Obviously get some protection for the board's nose and/or padding for the boom/mast, especially if you get an expensive one.

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
11 Jun 2008 8:54PM
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Yep , cheap and durable, like I said good for shools and novices. And in six months time when everyone else is burning past you you'll wish you had something faster, even if it has repaired nose.
P.S. Try and read independent board reports as all manufactures reviews have remarkable ways of making their boards sound wonderful and just suited for your requirements.

nobody
NSW, 437 posts
11 Jun 2008 9:33PM
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wormy said...

Yep , cheap and durable, like I said good for shools and novices. And in six months time when everyone else is burning past you you'll wish you had something faster, even if it has repaired nose.
P.S. Try and read independent board reports as all manufactures reviews have remarkable ways of making their boards sound wonderful and just suited for your requirements.

Who are we talking about here?

Exocet Nano 125 tested by Boards UK, 05.06
Date : 4/5/2006

Boards magazine not independent enough for you?

By the way, this is not an attack on your opinion which is valid. However, have you actually sailed the Nano? If not, (I haven't) we only have magazine tester's opinions to go with.

wormy
QLD, 679 posts
11 Jun 2008 9:42PM
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Just trying to avoid having to buy another board in six months time, I actually considered a Nano when I was getting back in to it but the Exocet dealer talked me out of it for the reasons I am describing, But FoS, you go for what you like,
I was buying over the net too as no local dealer and I couldn't actually see a Nano in the flesh until twelve months later, I'm glad I listened to the dealer.

nobody
NSW, 437 posts
11 Jun 2008 10:01PM
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wormy said...

Just trying to avoid having to buy another board in six months time, I actually considered a Nano when I was getting back in to it but the Exocet dealer talked me out of it for the reasons I am describing, But FoS, you go for what you like,
I was buying over the net too as no local dealer and I couldn't actually see a Nano in the flesh until twelve months later, I'm glad I listened to the dealer.

Good point Wormy. It will be interesting to see what FoS ends up with.
Please let us know FoS.

FoS
TAS, 1664 posts
12 Jun 2008 9:37AM
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Thanks Guys, this is great info.

Now I gotta find somewhere to buy it and get to Hobart.
There is a local reseller (Hood Sails) who doesn't really stock much, mostly 2nd hand, I would love to try some more boards befor deciding.

I would be very keen to buy, maybe on a return in a year system, a 2nd hand rig to try out and get moving forward. The oil tanker just cant be optioned with foot straps etc to start trying all the stuff I've been reading about.

Yes I've already been catapulted a few times, I missed the board, but not sure what happened to the mast/boom/sail until I cam back up.

Nose protector added to shopping list



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