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2015 Race Sail Orders

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Created by SeverneSails > 9 months ago, 2 Aug 2014
SeverneSails
WA, 69 posts
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2 Aug 2014 4:12PM
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Hi Everyone,

We are now taking pre-orders for the first shipment of Reflex6’s and OverDriveR6’s due to land in December.

Last season the demand was higher than supply for these sails, so place your pre-orders now to ensure that you get what you want. We don’t release any details of the sails until later, but we can tell you these sails will have some red on them.

Below are some of the results from last season’s sails;

REFLEX:

Green Island – 1st slalom
Green Island – 2nd slalom
Lancelin Ocean Classic – 1st
Lancelin Ocean Classic – 2nd
PWA – Cyril Moussilmani is currently 1st overall

OVERDRIVE:
Green Island – 1st freerace
Green Island – 2nd freerace
Green Island – 3rd freerace
Green Island – 3rd slalom

You can pre-order your 015 SEVERNE race sails from the following shops;

WA: 2nd Wind, WindForce

SA: Onboard

VIC: The Zu

TAS: Planet Surf

NSW: Windsurf’N’Snow

QLD: Board Crazy, Surf FX, Sunshine Coast, Windsurfing Gear





DunkO
NSW, 1147 posts
2 Aug 2014 7:29PM
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Did the sails get those results or people on them?

(Not discrediting your great sail)

FormulaNova
WA, 15083 posts
2 Aug 2014 6:40PM
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SeverneSails said..
Hi Everyone,

We are now taking pre-orders for the first shipment of Reflex6?s and OverDriveR6?s due to land in December.

Last season the demand was higher than supply for these sails, so place your pre-orders now to ensure that you get what you want. We don?t release any details of the sails until later, but we can tell you these sails will have some red on them.




I've heard of colourful sails, but these one's make everything else look black and white. How did you do that?

On a serious note, do/will Severne sails come in other colours?

Wineman
NSW, 1412 posts
4 Aug 2014 10:27AM
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FormulaNova said..


On a serious note, do/will Severne sails come in other colours?




C'mon Larko - you know red is always faster

shinobi
157 posts
4 Aug 2014 9:18AM
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We have had the same question from our distributor in Japan.
Most people are looking into the next season sails but without any given hints why to update (maybe Spidefiber in R6?!?) or some general notes about sizes (all sizes kept) might be quite helpful to come to a positive conclusion.

~Shinobi

SeverneSails
WA, 69 posts
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4 Aug 2014 4:15PM
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FormulaNova said..
I've heard of colourful sails, but these one's make everything else look black and white. How did you do that?

On a serious note, do/will Severne sails come in other colours?




For 2015 it's looking like we'll have more colours in the range than in previous years.

The majority of complaints about colour choice come from customers who don't receive their sail in red! These customers are often from locations where the market share is not quite the same as it is here in Australia.

This is one logistical issue with offering more colours; giving sailors an option means there's the risk a shop will bring a quiver in for a customer, only to have the customer change their mind since the sails aren't the colour they wanted. This scenario has many distributors worldwide requesting less, or even zero colour options.

The other big issue is at the production level. Materials have to be ordered before the production run starts, and ratios of colour combinations must be decided beforehand. Towards the end of the production run, one colour may run out, or even worse, one colour may be left in excess. Often by the end of the production run, distributors will be requesting CC1, but the factory will only build sails in the colours that are either available or, or ones that need to be used up..

Shinobi, there's currently no real reason to change the sizing in the Race program. If they were to change, the distributors will know as that info is in the order forms.

2015 BLADE: CC1 and CC2

SeverneSails
WA, 69 posts
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4 Aug 2014 5:59PM
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DunkO said..
Did the sails get those results or people on them?

(Not discrediting your great sail)



It's not an accident that we support Australia's best racers, and by posting the results of the sails themselves is in no way discrediting the individual talents of our sailors. Unfortunately, their talents are not for sale, but the equipment is!

If anybody has been paying attention to the banners, we've had their results up for a while now.

Kaleb's banner is still going, he won't let us take it down.

seanhogan
QLD, 3424 posts
4 Aug 2014 8:30PM
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is there a RRP for severne sails in Oz ?

FormulaNova
WA, 15083 posts
4 Aug 2014 7:09PM
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FormulaNova said..
I've heard of colourful sails, but these one's make everything else look black and white. How did you do that?

On a serious note, do/will Severne sails come in other colours?


For 2015 it's looking like we'll have more colours in the range than in previous years.

The majority of complaints about colour choice come from customers who don't receive their sail in red! These customers are often from locations where the market share is not quite the same as it is here in Australia.

This is one logistical issue with offering more colours; giving sailors an option means there's the risk a shop will bring a quiver in for a customer, only to have the customer change their mind since the sails aren't the colour they wanted. This scenario has many distributors worldwide requesting less, or even zero colour options.

The other big issue is at the production level. Materials have to be ordered before the production run starts, and ratios of colour combinations must be decided beforehand. Towards the end of the production run, one colour may run out, or even worse, one colour may be left in excess. Often by the end of the production run, distributors will be requesting CC1, but the factory will only build sails in the colours that are either available or, or ones that need to be used up..



Thanks for the reply. Its good to understand the reason behind it.

Having said that, KA were only red and black for a while, and when they finally got a bit of colour in their range, the sails seemed to get a bit more popular. maybe that was coincidental. With their system, there really wasn't too much choice about which colour you got, as often there would only be some particular colours left. Luckily, they all seemed to look good.



Cluffy
NSW, 422 posts
6 Aug 2014 1:44PM
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I like my white NCX's. White gives the best UV resistance. And also, I look like a bogun when I sail and I don't think colourful equipment is going to hide that glaringly obvious fact

geared4knots
TAS, 2649 posts
8 Aug 2014 11:09PM
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WA: 2nd Wind, WindForce

SA: Onboard

VIC: The Zu

TAS: Planet Surf

NSW: Windsurf’N’Snow

QLD: Board Crazy, Surf FX, Sunshine Coast, Windsurfing Gear





Dont know who wrote the list above but Jay Sails in southern Tas is a supplier down here...
I know as i pay the invoices!!!

Hogar
67 posts
11 Sep 2014 8:56AM
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Are the rumors about using technora in the R6 true ?

stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
11 Sep 2014 12:39PM
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Hogar said..
Are the rumors about using technora in the R6 true ?


I was wondering that too. I always toyed with starting speed sailing again but every time I use a a proper race sail I am turned off before I even carried the gear to the water. I think the first brand that will significantly reduce the weight of their race rigs will see competition results go through the roof.

mathew
QLD, 2133 posts
12 Sep 2014 10:57AM
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stehsegler said..

I was wondering that too. I always toyed with starting speed sailing again but every time I use a a proper race sail I am turned off before I even carried the gear to the water. I think the first brand that will significantly reduce the weight of their race rigs will see competition results go through the roof.


The increase in gear performance by adding 24 battens and 12 cams, far outshines the weight advantage... or we would all be using the new 0-batten wave sails (due in 2019...).

mr love
VIC, 2401 posts
12 Sep 2014 11:12AM
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stehsegler said..

Hogar said..
Are the rumors about using technora in the R6 true ?



I was wondering that too. I always toyed with starting speed sailing again but every time I use a a proper race sail I am turned off before I even carried the gear to the water. I think the first brand that will significantly reduce the weight of their race rigs will see competition results go through the roof.


I think that brand already doing "string" race sails is called Avanti, you need to get out more.
A greater proportion of the weight in Race sails compared to Wave gear is in battens and cams, although for sure there are savings to be made with lightweight laminates the percentage gain isn't as significant as it is on wave sails.

westozwind
WA, 1415 posts
12 Sep 2014 10:22AM
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So Severne are copying Apple's marketing tactics.
pre-order= we'll happily take your money now for goods we dont have, and cannot supply at the time of payment.

Paul Kelf
WA, 678 posts
12 Sep 2014 11:07AM
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So Severne are copying Apple's marketing tactics.
pre-order= we'll happily take your money now for goods we dont have, and cannot supply at the time of payment.



Pre-ordering is an ideal way to get your manufacturing costs down & should enable better planning.

If I was pre-ordering & paying up front I would expect a decent discount & then for every day the goods are late a further discount, especially when they are promised for December which is the middle of the season.

Stuthepirate
SA, 3591 posts
12 Sep 2014 1:22PM
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Paul Kelf said..

Pre-ordering is an ideal way to get your manufacturing costs down & should enable better planning.
If I was pre-ordering & paying up front I would expect a decent discount & then for every day the goods are late a further discount, especially when they are promised for December which is the middle of the season.



So no false advertising then
2015 sails for 2015
Not like boards which are 2015 boards available in 2014 but designed in 2013 ???

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8224 posts
12 Sep 2014 5:02PM
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Cluffy said..
I like my white NCX's. White gives the best UV resistance. And also, I look like a bogun when I sail and I don't think colourful equipment is going to hide that glaringly obvious fact


Bull..you look great!

TheTank
124 posts
12 Sep 2014 7:39PM
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stehsegler said..

Hogar said..
Are the rumors about using technora in the R6 true ?



I was wondering that too. I always toyed with starting speed sailing again but every time I use a a proper race sail I am turned off before I even carried the gear to the water. I think the first brand that will significantly reduce the weight of their race rigs will see competition results go through the roof.


Allready enough brands tried the light weight concept on their race sails with Technora/ Pentex / X-166 or whatever you want to call it. None had a significantly better performance in competition.

- Naish had X-166 in their Stealth race sail in the '09 and '10 models.
- Loft used Pentex/Technora in the Blade from '08 through to the '12 model.
- Maui Sails has had a Technora version since the TR-6 with the TR-X being only available in a Technora version
- Gaastra had a Technora version of the '10 Vapor
- Challenger had a 3DL/ Technora version of the '08 and '09 Aero+

I've sailed with the '08, '09 and '10 Naish Stealth's and tested '10 and '11 Loft Blades. Yes the '09 and '10 sails are light weight and yes they are easy to carry compared to the '08 model. Do the sails out perform the '08 model? No! Does the lack of weight gain any performance advantage over a monofilm race sail? In my honest opinion it does not.

The last 3 seasons I've made the swith to Neil Pryde Evo IV and V's. Full monofilm, and a bit heavier than the Naishes I've used before. The NP's out performs any sail I've owned before. Biggest difference what I found with X-166, Pentex, Technora sails compared to monofilm is stability. The lighter sails feel twitchy, more forgiving and don't give the raw power and acceleration that a full monofilm sails does. The moment a sail brand manages to make a race sail lighter but with same locked feeling and raw power of a full monofilm sail the advantage might be there.

TASSIEROCKS
TAS, 1652 posts
15 Sep 2014 9:12PM
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TheTank said..

stehsegler said..


Hogar said..
Are the rumors about using technora in the R6 true ?




I was wondering that too. I always toyed with starting speed sailing again but every time I use a a proper race sail I am turned off before I even carried the gear to the water. I think the first brand that will significantly reduce the weight of their race rigs will see competition results go through the roof.



Allready enough brands tried the light weight concept on their race sails with Technora/ Pentex / X-166 or whatever you want to call it. None had a significantly better performance in competition.

- Naish had X-166 in their Stealth race sail in the '09 and '10 models.
- Loft used Pentex/Technora in the Blade from '08 through to the '12 model.
- Maui Sails has had a Technora version since the TR-6 with the TR-X being only available in a Technora version
- Gaastra had a Technora version of the '10 Vapor
- Challenger had a 3DL/ Technora version of the '08 and '09 Aero+

I've sailed with the '08, '09 and '10 Naish Stealth's and tested '10 and '11 Loft Blades. Yes the '09 and '10 sails are light weight and yes they are easy to carry compared to the '08 model. Do the sails out perform the '08 model? No! Does the lack of weight gain any performance advantage over a monofilm race sail? In my honest opinion it does not.

The last 3 seasons I've made the swith to Neil Pryde Evo IV and V's. Full monofilm, and a bit heavier than the Naishes I've used before. The NP's out performs any sail I've owned before. Biggest difference what I found with X-166, Pentex, Technora sails compared to monofilm is stability. The lighter sails feel twitchy, more forgiving and don't give the raw power and acceleration that a full monofilm sails does. The moment a sail brand manages to make a race sail lighter but with same locked feeling and raw power of a full monofilm sail the advantage might be there.



I would like to respond around the Naish Bullets they are much lighter, heaps stronger than monofilm and have sooo much on mid range performance. They are also very fast; the new 2015 has a very fast top end and look fantastic. Considering that most of us love light sails not heavy stiff sails, I think there is room in the market for both styles of construction, both do fly deep down wind and are fun to sail. But lighter and stronger race sails are very nice and will still look good after years of use.





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