Hi together,
I know there is just a larger discussion on the Wizard 130 frist look:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/2021-Wizard-130-first-look?page=2
Perhaps in the meanwhile there is a concrete comparsion between the WIzard 114 and Wizard 130 v3 for 85-90 kg people. How big is the difference in going?
I'm just using a Bounce 5,4.
Question is also:
Is it better to take a 114 and use it i.e. with a Fringe 5,7 or better 6,3 or better take the 130 with a bounce 5,4?
(Setup is an I76 and I65) What setup will work better on a lake with mostly gusty conditions?
Thanks for your opinions.
Keep flying
Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Select to expand quoteAB_Carve said..
Why is there no reviews of the Wizard 114 yet? Surely someone has ridden one.
Some discussion of the w114 here
secure.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/2021-Wizard-130-first-look?page=1
The wizard 114 is a great board.
Compared to the old wizards it has better foot strap placement and the foil track and mast track position allow full time use of both straps and allow you to carry a bit more sail prior to becoming OP'd.
Compared to the freestyle 115 it pumps up a bit earlier in light wind and is easier to gybe.
What else would you like to know?
Select to expand quoteCoreAS said..
Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Hi Dean,
thanks for your thoughts. I agree by 100% that I should optimize my sail - board - foil combination for the 75% of the conditions.
With my 5,4 Goya Bounce I have no doubt that I shouldn't get smaller as the 130. My thoughts came up as the there is an offer of a used Goya Fringe in 6,3. So I thought if with that sail perhaps a 114 is also fine as I have more pressure and get easier the ground speed.
I have also mostly the same gusty conditions as you with same weight (90kg) and 98% of my foils days are at a lake with gusty conditions except that rare days where we quite "constant" wind :-)
Now I'm only surprised that I readed out that the 130 is worse to pump as the 125 caused be length reduction? Thought that it gets easier caused by the paralell rails?? How is your experience? Or have I missunderstud your text?
Have you just flight also the 114? Is there so a big advantage when you fly it in light wind or where do you feel better?
I'm a bit struggling if a fringe 6,3 would be valuable for me for the light wind days? With the bounce (no loose leech) I can pump quite really good and try to get better. Disadvantage is only when the ground wind after the gust is to low then it helps only to pump with the foil to the next gust.
Handling of the Bounce in 5,4 is a dream for the biggest sails and it makes a lot of fun try a lot of new moves. I'm not sure if the 6,3 advantage will be so big compared with the surely worse handling.
When things would be cheaper it would be easier to try them simple :-)
So thanks for your thoughts.
CorAS,
Can you advise regarding foil mast placement in the foil mast track -- re: differences between its placement on the Wizard V3 boards for: 1) different sized foil wings and 2) wind foiling and for wing foiling. I suspect there are some distinct differences.
Select to expand quotethedoor said..AB_Carve said..
Why is there no reviews of the Wizard 114 yet? Surely someone has ridden one.
Some discussion of the w114 here
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/2021-Wizard-130-first-look?page=1
The wizard 114 is a great board.
Compared to the old wizards it has better foot strap placement and the foil track and mast track position allow full time use of both straps and allow you to carry a bit more sail prior to becoming OP'd.
Compared to the freestyle 115 it pumps up a bit earlier in light wind and is easier to gybe.
What else would you like to know?
thedoor:
I have used a 6.0 Flyer comfortably on my FS 115. What can the 114 handle regarding sail size? SS claims 5.2, which seems small to me for a 114 litre board.
Select to expand quotedejavu said..thedoor said..AB_Carve said..
Why is there no reviews of the Wizard 114 yet? Surely someone has ridden one.
Some discussion of the w114 here
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/2021-Wizard-130-first-look?page=1
The wizard 114 is a great board.
Compared to the old wizards it has better foot strap placement and the foil track and mast track position allow full time use of both straps and allow you to carry a bit more sail prior to becoming OP'd.
Compared to the freestyle 115 it pumps up a bit earlier in light wind and is easier to gybe.
What else would you like to know?
thedoor:
I have used a 6.0 Flyer comfortably on my FS 115. What can the 114 handle regarding sail size? SS claims 5.2, which seems small to me for a 114 litre board.
I have used my 6.0 flyer/smaller apollo 60 wing and naish lift 5.7/i99.
I don't see why you couldn't go bigger than 6m
Select to expand quotedejavu said..
CorAS,
Can you advise regarding foil mast placement in the foil mast track -- re: differences between its placement on the Wizard V3 boards for: 1) different sized foil wings and 2) wind foiling and for wing foiling. I suspect there are some distinct differences.
dejavu
Basically when the wind is cranking on the time code 68 wing, I move the mast all the way towards the tail, meaning the back of the pedal base is on #2 (today I was on a 4.0 in the pic)
for the i84 I move forward 1cm, the i99 I move forward 2/3 cm.
For winging I move the foil all the way forward in the twin tracks.
Select to expand quotemichaelpaf said..CoreAS said..
Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Hi Dean,
thanks for your thoughts. I agree by 100% that I should optimize my sail - board - foil combination for the 75% of the conditions.
With my 5,4 Goya Bounce I have no doubt that I shouldn't get smaller as the 130. My thoughts came up as the there is an offer of a used Goya Fringe in 6,3. So I thought if with that sail perhaps a 114 is also fine as I have more pressure and get easier the ground speed.
I have also mostly the same gusty conditions as you with same weight (90kg) and 98% of my foils days are at a lake with gusty conditions except that rare days where we quite "constant" wind :-)
Now I'm only surprised that I readed out that the 130 is worse to pump as the 125 caused be length reduction? Thought that it gets easier caused by the paralell rails?? How is your experience? Or have I missunderstud your text?
Have you just flight also the 114? Is there so a big advantage when you fly it in light wind or where do you feel better?
I'm a bit struggling if a fringe 6,3 would be valuable for me for the light wind days? With the bounce (no loose leech) I can pump quite really good and try to get better. Disadvantage is only when the ground wind after the gust is to low then it helps only to pump with the foil to the next gust.
Handling of the Bounce in 5,4 is a dream for the biggest sails and it makes a lot of fun try a lot of new moves. I'm not sure if the 6,3 advantage will be so big compared with the surely worse handling.
When things would be cheaper it would be easier to try them simple :-)
So thanks for your thoughts.
I wouldn't say worse to pump but a but more technical in light winds (8-12 mph on i99) but when the wind picks up a bit you can naturally lean back and sheet in because of the wind strength and so it will pop up (more corky) than the W125.
For first time short foil board riders, the nose may seem pretty short and so you better be twinkle toes.
Select to expand quoteCoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..
Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Hi Dean,
thanks for your thoughts. I agree by 100% that I should optimize my sail - board - foil combination for the 75% of the conditions.
With my 5,4 Goya Bounce I have no doubt that I shouldn't get smaller as the 130. My thoughts came up as the there is an offer of a used Goya Fringe in 6,3. So I thought if with that sail perhaps a 114 is also fine as I have more pressure and get easier the ground speed.
I have also mostly the same gusty conditions as you with same weight (90kg) and 98% of my foils days are at a lake with gusty conditions except that rare days where we quite "constant" wind :-)
Now I'm only surprised that I readed out that the 130 is worse to pump as the 125 caused be length reduction? Thought that it gets easier caused by the paralell rails?? How is your experience? Or have I missunderstud your text?
Have you just flight also the 114? Is there so a big advantage when you fly it in light wind or where do you feel better?
I'm a bit struggling if a fringe 6,3 would be valuable for me for the light wind days? With the bounce (no loose leech) I can pump quite really good and try to get better. Disadvantage is only when the ground wind after the gust is to low then it helps only to pump with the foil to the next gust.
Handling of the Bounce in 5,4 is a dream for the biggest sails and it makes a lot of fun try a lot of new moves. I'm not sure if the 6,3 advantage will be so big compared with the surely worse handling.
When things would be cheaper it would be easier to try them simple :-)
So thanks for your thoughts.
I wouldn't say worse to pump but a but more technical in light winds (8-12 mph on i99) but when the wind picks up a bit you can naturally lean back and sheet in because of the wind strength and so it will pop up (more corky) than the W125.
For first time short foil board riders, the nose may seem pretty short and so you better be twinkle toes.
Dean, thanks a lot. If just the 130 is more technical in light wind I'm quite sure for my weight it's the better choice until I have a weight loss plan to lose 15 kg :-)
Select to expand quotemichaelpaf said..CoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..
Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Hi Dean,
thanks for your thoughts. I agree by 100% that I should optimize my sail - board - foil combination for the 75% of the conditions.
With my 5,4 Goya Bounce I have no doubt that I shouldn't get smaller as the 130. My thoughts came up as the there is an offer of a used Goya Fringe in 6,3. So I thought if with that sail perhaps a 114 is also fine as I have more pressure and get easier the ground speed.
I have also mostly the same gusty conditions as you with same weight (90kg) and 98% of my foils days are at a lake with gusty conditions except that rare days where we quite "constant" wind :-)
Now I'm only surprised that I readed out that the 130 is worse to pump as the 125 caused be length reduction? Thought that it gets easier caused by the paralell rails?? How is your experience? Or have I missunderstud your text?
Have you just flight also the 114? Is there so a big advantage when you fly it in light wind or where do you feel better?
I'm a bit struggling if a fringe 6,3 would be valuable for me for the light wind days? With the bounce (no loose leech) I can pump quite really good and try to get better. Disadvantage is only when the ground wind after the gust is to low then it helps only to pump with the foil to the next gust.
Handling of the Bounce in 5,4 is a dream for the biggest sails and it makes a lot of fun try a lot of new moves. I'm not sure if the 6,3 advantage will be so big compared with the surely worse handling.
When things would be cheaper it would be easier to try them simple :-)
So thanks for your thoughts.
I wouldn't say worse to pump but a but more technical in light winds (8-12 mph on i99) but when the wind picks up a bit you can naturally lean back and sheet in because of the wind strength and so it will pop up (more corky) than the W125.
For first time short foil board riders, the nose may seem pretty short and so you better be twinkle toes.
Dean, thanks a lot. If just the 130 is more technical in light wind I'm quite sure for my weight it's the better choice until I have a weight loss plan to lose 15 kg :-)
The more I've sailed the W130 the better the understanding I have of it and now that I'm getting super confident it's unbelievably fun board.
My gybing is quicker and more crisp, the foil duck gybes are more smooth, and yesterday I almost got a 360 Completed (I have so much fun carving I forget to pull the sail back up).
As with any new design and especially the twin tracks each individual will have to dial in what's right for them. Each and every 1cm on foil location will produce a different handling characteristic. And once you've mastered which one works for you the fun really begins.
Select to expand quoteCoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..
Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Hi Dean,
thanks for your thoughts. I agree by 100% that I should optimize my sail - board - foil combination for the 75% of the conditions.
With my 5,4 Goya Bounce I have no doubt that I shouldn't get smaller as the 130. My thoughts came up as the there is an offer of a used Goya Fringe in 6,3. So I thought if with that sail perhaps a 114 is also fine as I have more pressure and get easier the ground speed.
I have also mostly the same gusty conditions as you with same weight (90kg) and 98% of my foils days are at a lake with gusty conditions except that rare days where we quite "constant" wind :-)
Now I'm only surprised that I readed out that the 130 is worse to pump as the 125 caused be length reduction? Thought that it gets easier caused by the paralell rails?? How is your experience? Or have I missunderstud your text?
Have you just flight also the 114? Is there so a big advantage when you fly it in light wind or where do you feel better?
I'm a bit struggling if a fringe 6,3 would be valuable for me for the light wind days? With the bounce (no loose leech) I can pump quite really good and try to get better. Disadvantage is only when the ground wind after the gust is to low then it helps only to pump with the foil to the next gust.
Handling of the Bounce in 5,4 is a dream for the biggest sails and it makes a lot of fun try a lot of new moves. I'm not sure if the 6,3 advantage will be so big compared with the surely worse handling.
When things would be cheaper it would be easier to try them simple :-)
So thanks for your thoughts.
I wouldn't say worse to pump but a but more technical in light winds (8-12 mph on i99) but when the wind picks up a bit you can naturally lean back and sheet in because of the wind strength and so it will pop up (more corky) than the W125.
For first time short foil board riders, the nose may seem pretty short and so you better be twinkle toes.
Dean, thanks a lot. If just the 130 is more technical in light wind I'm quite sure for my weight it's the better choice until I have a weight loss plan to lose 15 kg :-)
The more I've sailed the W130 the better the understanding I have of it and now that I'm getting super confident it's unbelievably fun board.
My gybing is quicker and more crisp, the foil duck gybes are more smooth, and yesterday I almost got a 360 Completed (I have so much fun carving I forget to pull the sail back up).
As with any new design and especially the twin tracks each individual will have to dial in what's right for them. Each and every 1cm on foil location will produce a different handling characteristic. And once you've mastered which one works for you the fun really begins.
Ok dude 
With your Last review I'm per 100% cinvinced that the 130 is best choice for gusty lakes with 85-90 kg riders..
Thanks a lot fir sharing.
As far as I will have mine here I'l Share my impressions..????
Select to expand quotemichaelpaf said..CoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..
Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Hi Dean,
thanks for your thoughts. I agree by 100% that I should optimize my sail - board - foil combination for the 75% of the conditions.
With my 5,4 Goya Bounce I have no doubt that I shouldn't get smaller as the 130. My thoughts came up as the there is an offer of a used Goya Fringe in 6,3. So I thought if with that sail perhaps a 114 is also fine as I have more pressure and get easier the ground speed.
I have also mostly the same gusty conditions as you with same weight (90kg) and 98% of my foils days are at a lake with gusty conditions except that rare days where we quite "constant" wind :-)
Now I'm only surprised that I readed out that the 130 is worse to pump as the 125 caused be length reduction? Thought that it gets easier caused by the paralell rails?? How is your experience? Or have I missunderstud your text?
Have you just flight also the 114? Is there so a big advantage when you fly it in light wind or where do you feel better?
I'm a bit struggling if a fringe 6,3 would be valuable for me for the light wind days? With the bounce (no loose leech) I can pump quite really good and try to get better. Disadvantage is only when the ground wind after the gust is to low then it helps only to pump with the foil to the next gust.
Handling of the Bounce in 5,4 is a dream for the biggest sails and it makes a lot of fun try a lot of new moves. I'm not sure if the 6,3 advantage will be so big compared with the surely worse handling.
When things would be cheaper it would be easier to try them simple :-)
So thanks for your thoughts.
I wouldn't say worse to pump but a but more technical in light winds (8-12 mph on i99) but when the wind picks up a bit you can naturally lean back and sheet in because of the wind strength and so it will pop up (more corky) than the W125.
For first time short foil board riders, the nose may seem pretty short and so you better be twinkle toes.
Dean, thanks a lot. If just the 130 is more technical in light wind I'm quite sure for my weight it's the better choice until I have a weight loss plan to lose 15 kg :-)
The more I've sailed the W130 the better the understanding I have of it and now that I'm getting super confident it's unbelievably fun board.
My gybing is quicker and more crisp, the foil duck gybes are more smooth, and yesterday I almost got a 360 Completed (I have so much fun carving I forget to pull the sail back up).
As with any new design and especially the twin tracks each individual will have to dial in what's right for them. Each and every 1cm on foil location will produce a different handling characteristic. And once you've mastered which one works for you the fun really begins.
Ok dude
With your Last review I'm per 100% cinvinced that the 130 is best choice for gusty lakes with 85-90 kg riders..
Thanks a lot fir sharing.
As far as I will have mine here I'l Share my impressions..????
You won't be disappointed, the W140 is a beaut.
Select to expand quote2keen said..
Great shot Dean
carving HARD!!
Are you still on a 90cm mast?
Cheers Simon, yes still on the 90cm mast and I've been using the i76 wing more for 360s think you preferred wing as well, getting really close now.
Just picked up my 114 a couple of days ago so I strapped it up and went for a spin 5.0 and 76 infinty .me coming off a 125 first thoughts it's narrow but once on the water you really don't notice it . I did set it up with full inboard front strap and single center rear, that really took some getting used to,friend of mine who is really good on his 115 freestyle suggested front straps outboard like he runs with rear strap in the center I think that might be the go next time.The Jibe seems way better on this board you can go in real hot and it seems to carve a tighter turn which can get you in trouble if your not ready with the sail flip. Uphaul me 80kg with a wetsuit ,yes in flat water going to need more work in ocean swell, So far I am happy but need a few more goes to really dial it in and be comfortable.
Select to expand quoteKDog said..
Just picked up my 114 a couple of days ago so I strapped it up and went for a spin 5.0 and 76 infinty .me coming off a 125 first thoughts it's narrow but once on the water you really don't notice it .
Where did you set your pedestal in the foil track to work with the Infinity 76?
Select to expand quoteccflyer said..KDog said..
Just picked up my 114 a couple of days ago so I strapped it up and went for a spin 5.0 and 76 infinty .me coming off a 125 first thoughts it's narrow but once on the water you really don't notice it .
Where did you set your pedestal in the foil track to work with the Infinity 76?
I had mine 76 about 1/4 from rear of tracks with front strap all the way forward in the WS inserts. Sail mast was probably close to rear of mast track.
Yea straps all the way forward with the rear of the pedestal at #2 I think, I set it like CoreAs had his 130. it might have been a little back footed so next time I will bump it up a cm or two. The sail mast tract being further back on the V3 models seems to help with keeping the foil in the water and maintaining ride height is a lot less work.
Select to expand quoteKDog said..
Just picked up my 114 a couple of days ago so I strapped it up and went for a spin 5.0 and 76 infinty .me coming off a 125 first thoughts it's narrow but once on the water you really don't notice it . I did set it up with full inboard front strap and single center rear, that really took some getting used to,friend of mine who is really good on his 115 freestyle suggested front straps outboard like he runs with rear strap in the center I think that might be the go next time.The Jibe seems way better on this board you can go in real hot and it seems to carve a tighter turn which can get you in trouble if your not ready with the sail flip. Uphaul me 80kg with a wetsuit ,yes in flat water going to need more work in ocean swell, So far I am happy but need a few more goes to really dial it in and be comfortable.
Hi Kdog,
may I ask you what was your previous Foil Board?
What are your home spot conditions normally?
I guess with 80 kg the 114 is a good choice also on lakes with gusty wind.
But that only when I compare that the 125 was ideal for me with 90 kg on lake with Wind gusts.
Select to expand quoteCoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..
Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Hi Dean,
thanks for your thoughts. I agree by 100% that I should optimize my sail - board - foil combination for the 75% of the conditions.
With my 5,4 Goya Bounce I have no doubt that I shouldn't get smaller as the 130. My thoughts came up as the there is an offer of a used Goya Fringe in 6,3. So I thought if with that sail perhaps a 114 is also fine as I have more pressure and get easier the ground speed.
I have also mostly the same gusty conditions as you with same weight (90kg) and 98% of my foils days are at a lake with gusty conditions except that rare days where we quite "constant" wind :-)
Now I'm only surprised that I readed out that the 130 is worse to pump as the 125 caused be length reduction? Thought that it gets easier caused by the paralell rails?? How is your experience? Or have I missunderstud your text?
Have you just flight also the 114? Is there so a big advantage when you fly it in light wind or where do you feel better?
I'm a bit struggling if a fringe 6,3 would be valuable for me for the light wind days? With the bounce (no loose leech) I can pump quite really good and try to get better. Disadvantage is only when the ground wind after the gust is to low then it helps only to pump with the foil to the next gust.
Handling of the Bounce in 5,4 is a dream for the biggest sails and it makes a lot of fun try a lot of new moves. I'm not sure if the 6,3 advantage will be so big compared with the surely worse handling.
When things would be cheaper it would be easier to try them simple :-)
So thanks for your thoughts.
I wouldn't say worse to pump but a but more technical in light winds (8-12 mph on i99) but when the wind picks up a bit you can naturally lean back and sheet in because of the wind strength and so it will pop up (more corky) than the W125.
For first time short foil board riders, the nose may seem pretty short and so you better be twinkle toes.
Dean, thanks a lot. If just the 130 is more technical in light wind I'm quite sure for my weight it's the better choice until I have a weight loss plan to lose 15 kg :-)
The more I've sailed the W130 the better the understanding I have of it and now that I'm getting super confident it's unbelievably fun board.
My gybing is quicker and more crisp, the foil duck gybes are more smooth, and yesterday I almost got a 360 Completed (I have so much fun carving I forget to pull the sail back up).
As with any new design and especially the twin tracks each individual will have to dial in what's right for them. Each and every 1cm on foil location will produce a different handling characteristic. And once you've mastered which one works for you the fun really begins.
Ok dude
With your Last review I'm per 100% cinvinced that the 130 is best choice for gusty lakes with 85-90 kg riders..
Thanks a lot fir sharing.
As far as I will have mine here I'l Share my impressions..????
You won't be disappointed, the W140 is a beaut.
Hi Dean,
how is your further experience with the w130?
I have in mind that a shorter and shorter foil board needs to get used to.
A reason why a Test in a magazine is for me not so valuable.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Hi michaelpaf
My other board and the only board I have owned was a 125 wizard. I have only had one go on the 114 and it was on a lake that is right next to the ocean so the wind is often good and steady,if i take it out on open ocean or a shipping channel that has tide swings with big chop or maybe summer trips to Columbia river gorge I will mostly want to water start it could be a real challenge to uphaul it in rough water at least for me.
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Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Hi Dean,
thanks for your thoughts. I agree by 100% that I should optimize my sail - board - foil combination for the 75% of the conditions.
With my 5,4 Goya Bounce I have no doubt that I shouldn't get smaller as the 130. My thoughts came up as the there is an offer of a used Goya Fringe in 6,3. So I thought if with that sail perhaps a 114 is also fine as I have more pressure and get easier the ground speed.
I have also mostly the same gusty conditions as you with same weight (90kg) and 98% of my foils days are at a lake with gusty conditions except that rare days where we quite "constant" wind :-)
Now I'm only surprised that I readed out that the 130 is worse to pump as the 125 caused be length reduction? Thought that it gets easier caused by the paralell rails?? How is your experience? Or have I missunderstud your text?
Have you just flight also the 114? Is there so a big advantage when you fly it in light wind or where do you feel better?
I'm a bit struggling if a fringe 6,3 would be valuable for me for the light wind days? With the bounce (no loose leech) I can pump quite really good and try to get better. Disadvantage is only when the ground wind after the gust is to low then it helps only to pump with the foil to the next gust.
Handling of the Bounce in 5,4 is a dream for the biggest sails and it makes a lot of fun try a lot of new moves. I'm not sure if the 6,3 advantage will be so big compared with the surely worse handling.
When things would be cheaper it would be easier to try them simple :-)
So thanks for your thoughts.
I wouldn't say worse to pump but a but more technical in light winds (8-12 mph on i99) but when the wind picks up a bit you can naturally lean back and sheet in because of the wind strength and so it will pop up (more corky) than the W125.
For first time short foil board riders, the nose may seem pretty short and so you better be twinkle toes.
Dean, thanks a lot. If just the 130 is more technical in light wind I'm quite sure for my weight it's the better choice until I have a weight loss plan to lose 15 kg :-)
The more I've sailed the W130 the better the understanding I have of it and now that I'm getting super confident it's unbelievably fun board.
My gybing is quicker and more crisp, the foil duck gybes are more smooth, and yesterday I almost got a 360 Completed (I have so much fun carving I forget to pull the sail back up).
As with any new design and especially the twin tracks each individual will have to dial in what's right for them. Each and every 1cm on foil location will produce a different handling characteristic. And once you've mastered which one works for you the fun really begins.
Ok dude
With your Last review I'm per 100% cinvinced that the 130 is best choice for gusty lakes with 85-90 kg riders..
Thanks a lot fir sharing.
As far as I will have mine here I'l Share my impressions..????
You won't be disappointed, the W140 is a beaut.
Hi Dean,
how is your further experience with the w130?
I have in mind that a shorter and shorter foil board needs to get used to.
A reason why a Test in a magazine is for me not so valuable.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
We have had some good winds lately so much of my testing has been on a 4.0 or 4.5 sail, the W130 has been performing perfectly in high winds and good swell with the TC 68 and i76 wings.
Select to expand quoteCoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..michaelpaf said..CoreAS said..
Hi Michaelpaf
First of all you have to look at the board specs! The W130 and W114 are completely different boards in length, width and volume.
The board width on the W114 is much narrower.
Sail size is just one of many determining factors, there is Salt water versus fresh water, ocean wind versus in land puffs etc.
Then you have rider experience, foil set up, wing size, to name but a few.
Any foiling board is simply a tool to get you off the beach, get to the wind line, pump ability, then you foil up, after that its swing weight.
If I foiled in WA I would no doubt use the W114, but I don't, I foil in sh!t wind most of the time, so at 90 kg I have to float to a wind line (or pump) the wind can go from 16 knots to 5 knots on the same reach. So you have to pick a Wizard for you and your local conditions and be completely honest with your self and ask which size board will I use 75% of the time.
The W130 is 188cm in length and it takes a completely different technique to pump in light winds than say the W125, the disadvantage with really short boards is your "pushing water" to get going, the shorter nose will sometimes sink into small chop and so you have to be really on your toes to pump it in light winds. If you foil where its windy, you probably will not worry about it.
Hi Dean,
thanks for your thoughts. I agree by 100% that I should optimize my sail - board - foil combination for the 75% of the conditions.
With my 5,4 Goya Bounce I have no doubt that I shouldn't get smaller as the 130. My thoughts came up as the there is an offer of a used Goya Fringe in 6,3. So I thought if with that sail perhaps a 114 is also fine as I have more pressure and get easier the ground speed.
I have also mostly the same gusty conditions as you with same weight (90kg) and 98% of my foils days are at a lake with gusty conditions except that rare days where we quite "constant" wind :-)
Now I'm only surprised that I readed out that the 130 is worse to pump as the 125 caused be length reduction? Thought that it gets easier caused by the paralell rails?? How is your experience? Or have I missunderstud your text?
Have you just flight also the 114? Is there so a big advantage when you fly it in light wind or where do you feel better?
I'm a bit struggling if a fringe 6,3 would be valuable for me for the light wind days? With the bounce (no loose leech) I can pump quite really good and try to get better. Disadvantage is only when the ground wind after the gust is to low then it helps only to pump with the foil to the next gust.
Handling of the Bounce in 5,4 is a dream for the biggest sails and it makes a lot of fun try a lot of new moves. I'm not sure if the 6,3 advantage will be so big compared with the surely worse handling.
When things would be cheaper it would be easier to try them simple :-)
So thanks for your thoughts.
I wouldn't say worse to pump but a but more technical in light winds (8-12 mph on i99) but when the wind picks up a bit you can naturally lean back and sheet in because of the wind strength and so it will pop up (more corky) than the W125.
For first time short foil board riders, the nose may seem pretty short and so you better be twinkle toes.
Dean, thanks a lot. If just the 130 is more technical in light wind I'm quite sure for my weight it's the better choice until I have a weight loss plan to lose 15 kg :-)
The more I've sailed the W130 the better the understanding I have of it and now that I'm getting super confident it's unbelievably fun board.
My gybing is quicker and more crisp, the foil duck gybes are more smooth, and yesterday I almost got a 360 Completed (I have so much fun carving I forget to pull the sail back up).
As with any new design and especially the twin tracks each individual will have to dial in what's right for them. Each and every 1cm on foil location will produce a different handling characteristic. And once you've mastered which one works for you the fun really begins.
Ok dude
With your Last review I'm per 100% cinvinced that the 130 is best choice for gusty lakes with 85-90 kg riders..
Thanks a lot fir sharing.
As far as I will have mine here I'l Share my impressions..????
You won't be disappointed, the W140 is a beaut.
Hi Dean,
how is your further experience with the w130?
I have in mind that a shorter and shorter foil board needs to get used to.
A reason why a Test in a magazine is for me not so valuable.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
We have had some good winds lately so much of my testing has been on a 4.0 or 4.5 sail, the W130 has been performing perfectly in high winds and good swell with the TC 68 and i76 wings.
Wow, Core, looking good!!! Could you comment on the strap positions you've tried?? I like that the new model has so many options. And the video where the 114 is sporting like 15 straps is hilarious.
"The Wizard V3 is here! The board that defined maneuver oriented windfoiling takes it to the next level. 3 all new shapes packed with highly tunable performance features." Sep 2020.
BTW I sailed at HR since 1987 and I have never seen anyone sail by the bridge. Kudos to them.
www.instagram.com/tv/CFKlsmEjQwX/
That video is amazing. Fantastic sailing AND drone work. As someone who has lost a drone while filming my sailing buddies, I really appreciate the drone flying.
I guess my Wizard just dropped in value.
