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When to what with wind and foil and sail and wing

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Created by Searoamer > 9 months ago, 2 Dec 2021
Searoamer
NSW, 297 posts
2 Dec 2021 5:54PM
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great info

aeroegnr
1731 posts
2 Dec 2021 8:33PM
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I like that vid. Also considering getting a freeride foilboard that can be used to learn winging, like a bare minimum floater volume wizard or freestyle since I already have the i76 and i99. I'm noticing that the hybrid foiling situation for freeriding on the Blast is not great for jibes. I'll crash a lot more jibe attempts when foiling on the Blast when I barely crash a race foil board, but the race foil board is a lot bigger. The volume on the Blast is just not there in the tail and footstraps are never quite right.

boardsurfr
WA, 2454 posts
2 Dec 2021 10:35PM
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aeroegnr said..
I'm noticing that the hybrid foiling situation for freeriding on the Blast is not great for jibes. I'll crash a lot more jibe attempts when foiling on the Blast when I barely crash a race foil board, but the race foil board is a lot bigger. The volume on the Blast is just not there in the tail and footstraps are never quite right.

I've read many times that wider boards are easier to foil jibe, and that also matches my experience. I'm not quite sure why, though. One theory is that the wider board simply gives you more space when switching feet, so you're less likely to step on the wrong side and turn back in the middle of the jibe. Another issue is during touchdowns. On a narrow-tail 71 cm slalom board, crashes where the board turned on its side were much more common than on an 85 cm wide foil board. A bit too much pressure on either side, and the narrow board would just keep turning. Volume itself never seemed to be an issue, and I did not use foot straps.

aeroegnr
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2 Dec 2021 10:48PM
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I've read many times that wider boards are easier to foil jibe, and that also matches my experience. I'm not quite sure why, though. One theory is that the wider board simply gives you more space when switching feet, so you're less likely to step on the wrong side and turn back in the middle of the jibe. Another issue is during touchdowns. On a narrow-tail 71 cm slalom board, crashes where the board turned on its side were much more common than on an 85 cm wide foil board. A bit too much pressure on either side, and the narrow board would just keep turning. Volume itself never seemed to be an issue, and I did not use foot straps.


For me it felt like there wasn't a reasonable place to put my feet on the Blast that would also keep me flying. It's borderline on the i76 and last time I tried the i99 it was impossible to get far enough back to keep it with a positive attitude during a jibe, but I'm also lacking in techniques of various things.

Sandman1221
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2 Dec 2021 10:56PM
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Okay, still not interested in wing foiling! And the few wing foilers that I did see back in the Spring have not returned. Inland bay not a location for swell, but have never seen wing foilers on the Gulf of Mexico either, but then no big swell there too.

aeroegnr
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2 Dec 2021 11:14PM
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Okay, still not interested in wing foiling! And the few wing foilers that I did see back in the Spring have not returned. Inland bay not a location for swell, but have never seen wing foilers on the Gulf of Mexico either, but then no big swell there too.


They're here on westerly winds. The experienced guys will do long downwinders in the bay and also pop out in the gulf and ride swells.

Sandman1221
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3 Dec 2021 8:23AM
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Sandman1221 said..
Okay, still not interested in wing foiling! And the few wing foilers that I did see back in the Spring have not returned. Inland bay not a location for swell, but have never seen wing foilers on the Gulf of Mexico either, but then no big swell there too.



They're here on westerly winds. The experienced guys will do long downwinders in the bay and also pop out in the gulf and ride swells.


I have never seen a winger on the Gulf, and other than when a hurricane is passing by, the swell is usually no more than 3 feet. Do not know how much swell you need to wingfoil on.

aeroegnr
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3 Dec 2021 8:33AM
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aeroegnr said..


Sandman1221 said..
Okay, still not interested in wing foiling! And the few wing foilers that I did see back in the Spring have not returned. Inland bay not a location for swell, but have never seen wing foilers on the Gulf of Mexico either, but then no big swell there too.




They're here on westerly winds. The experienced guys will do long downwinders in the bay and also pop out in the gulf and ride swells.



I have never seen a winger on the Gulf, and other than when a hurricane is passing by, the swell is usually no more than 3 feet. Do not know how much swell you need to wingfoil on.


You really don't need a lot. See:

www.instagram.com/p/CTW2SiMrDT9/?utm_medium=copy_link

aeroegnr
1731 posts
3 Dec 2021 8:49AM
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Oh yeah, here's typical lightwind float and ride stuff. I would've been out trying to windfoil but I didn't bring my foil board that time, instead I filme them.

The waves are pretty clean on the outside in this side/off wind. 2ft swells, sometimes larger rogue ones. I've seen wingers out in these conditions having a good time:



When it gets going it'll have 4-6ft waves on the outside like a month ago. We just need a cold front to hit.

Poor sailing on my part but you can see a winger at 0:25 and likely elsewhere. At 19:22 I get smacked by a wave that was at the high end of the range that day. Conditions like this are rare so I'm fairly unpracticed:

Sandman1221
2776 posts
3 Dec 2021 10:39AM
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Okay aeroegnr, one winger at the hot spot!, no wonder I have not seen them. Those waves look tough on equipment. I have surfed in 6-10+ foot faces many times, that is a rush, but those conditions are not on my bucket list for windfoiling or windsurfing.

Ian K
WA, 4155 posts
3 Dec 2021 11:17AM
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Peter Hands said..
great info


"Did it always pull this hard?"

LeeD
3939 posts
4 Dec 2021 2:40AM
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Takes skill to slog all that distance using front strap.

martyj4
533 posts
7 Dec 2021 6:27AM
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Peter Hands - its a great vid. Really demonstrates that the foiling thing is what you want to make out of it. For many of us, it's complimentary to windsurfing. Some regard it as a transition to foiling and won't go back to windsurfing. Others won't adopt the foils. I think it's a great innovation and will only enhance watersports, regardless of your activity.

John340
QLD, 3363 posts
7 Dec 2021 1:17PM
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I've been wind foiling for a year. I now only GPS windsurf if the wind is 15+ kts and the tide is right for flat water, otherwise I wind foil.

Searoamer
NSW, 297 posts
18 May 2022 9:47AM
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check this video, sail and wing compared



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