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Waves and turns (video)

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Created by azymuth > 9 months ago, 18 May 2022
azymuth
WA, 2154 posts
18 May 2022 8:33AM
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Thought it was worth slowing it down to have another look at Simon cranking those turns

I hope there's a few purists left who froth over the speed and power-carves possible with a sail.
It's not easy and takes time - but when was that a bad thing

John340
QLD, 3363 posts
18 May 2022 10:43AM
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Brilliant footage. The bottom turn maneuver looks very tricky.

Simon seems to have more control in the bottom turn when he pulls in his back hand like a traditional windsurfing bottom turn. When he eases the sail out during the maneuver, he seems more tentative.

marc5
180 posts
18 May 2022 10:50AM
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Frothing. Awesome.

Thank you.

azymuth
WA, 2154 posts
18 May 2022 5:51PM
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John340 said..Brilliant footage. The bottom turn maneuver looks very tricky.
Simon seems to have more control in the bottom turn when he pulls in his back hand like a traditional windsurfing bottom turn. When he eases the sail out during the maneuver, he seems more tentative.

Well spotted - but easier said than done when on a 4.7 in 20-25 knots and coping with extra lift from wave acceleration.
But it feels crazy good when it comes together and you carve a turn with full sail and wave power.
Flagging the sail (flappy clew) windfoiling has actually been banned at Dutchies



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marc5 said..
Frothing. Awesome. Thank you.

Cheers

CAN17
575 posts
18 May 2022 7:03PM
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Those heel side top turns are ridiculous. Super tight and super smooth. That's the first thing I noticed riding waves on the 799, it doesn't feel as locked in as the infinity 76 did when carving toe side full power but heel side it carves on a dime and generates good speed. Must be even looser with that 399 stab. Simon have you tested out the 450 for light to medium winds?

Paducah
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18 May 2022 9:05PM
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azymuth said..
Flagging the sail (flappy clew) windfoiling has actually been banned at Dutchies


Sad to hear. We had some crazy days this past winter where that was the only way I could survive. (4.7 in 30 kts and not a heavyweight)

Yeah, those turns were pretty lit. The one around 2:15 reminds me of a pic someone took of me recently where I first thought it was a crash but it wasn't. The turn in the video upped the angle of mine by about 15 degrees.

CoreAS
923 posts
18 May 2022 9:35PM
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As an avid WWF'er, I can certainly appreciate the extra effort in filming Simon shredding in those waves, it takes 10 times more concentration keeping the foil lift under control in proper waves and you guys are making it look ridiculously easy!

I may have to order the 799, Simon has found a great combo and the PFI730 is just waaaay to much lift on a decent wave face.

I have some footage from last week in head high waves, but unless you have a shoreline videographer like yourself JJ its not as impactful, it makes a huge difference, bet you was frothing watching behind the camera

aeroegnr
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18 May 2022 9:45PM
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CoreAS said..
As an avid WWF'er, I can certainly appreciate the extra effort in filming Simon shredding in those waves, it takes 10 times more concentration keeping the foil lift under control in proper waves and you guys are making it look ridiculously easy!

I may have to order the 799, Simon has found a great combo and the PFI730 is just waaaay to much lift on a decent wave face.

I have some footage from last week in head high waves, but unless you have a shoreline videographer like yourself JJ its not as impactful, it makes a huge difference, bet you was frothing watching behind the camera



How do you think the 799 would compare to the Phantasm 926 (high aspect, ~1300cm2) or the SB Superflyer (also ~1300cm2). I see the Sab is ~1100

I think one guy here rides a 926 and carves the small bay swell pretty well, but they are not big waves like in the video

CoreAS
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19 May 2022 12:36AM
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aeroegnr said..

CoreAS said..
As an avid WWF'er, I can certainly appreciate the extra effort in filming Simon shredding in those waves, it takes 10 times more concentration keeping the foil lift under control in proper waves and you guys are making it look ridiculously easy!

I may have to order the 799, Simon has found a great combo and the PFI730 is just waaaay to much lift on a decent wave face.

I have some footage from last week in head high waves, but unless you have a shoreline videographer like yourself JJ its not as impactful, it makes a huge difference, bet you was frothing watching behind the camera




How do you think the 799 would compare to the Phantasm 926 (high aspect, ~1300cm2) or the SB Superflyer (also ~1300cm2). I see the Sab is ~1100

I think one guy here rides a 926 and carves the small bay swell pretty well, but they are not big waves like in the video


PTM926 is far to big for sizeable wave faces, its great for small swell.

The PFI730 I feel works better when using a 4.5 in waist high waves but when its windy (4.0 sail and smaller) with head high waves its too much lift.

aeroegnr
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19 May 2022 12:54AM
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CoreAS said..

aeroegnr said..


CoreAS said..
As an avid WWF'er, I can certainly appreciate the extra effort in filming Simon shredding in those waves, it takes 10 times more concentration keeping the foil lift under control in proper waves and you guys are making it look ridiculously easy!

I may have to order the 799, Simon has found a great combo and the PFI730 is just waaaay to much lift on a decent wave face.

I have some footage from last week in head high waves, but unless you have a shoreline videographer like yourself JJ its not as impactful, it makes a huge difference, bet you was frothing watching behind the camera





How do you think the 799 would compare to the Phantasm 926 (high aspect, ~1300cm2) or the SB Superflyer (also ~1300cm2). I see the Sab is ~1100

I think one guy here rides a 926 and carves the small bay swell pretty well, but they are not big waves like in the video



PTM926 is far to big for sizeable wave faces, its great for small swell.

The PFI730 I feel works better when using a 4.5 in waist high waves but when its windy (4.0 sail and smaller) with head high waves its too much lift.


Thanks, sounds like I have a ways to go before I would need to upgrade anything for swell riding then, with the PFI730 being close to the Infinity 76. Any upgrading is probably going to be more related to jumping without snapping the fuse attachment bolts.

CoreAS
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19 May 2022 4:47AM
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aeroegnr said..

CoreAS said..


aeroegnr said..



CoreAS said..
As an avid WWF'er, I can certainly appreciate the extra effort in filming Simon shredding in those waves, it takes 10 times more concentration keeping the foil lift under control in proper waves and you guys are making it look ridiculously easy!

I may have to order the 799, Simon has found a great combo and the PFI730 is just waaaay to much lift on a decent wave face.

I have some footage from last week in head high waves, but unless you have a shoreline videographer like yourself JJ its not as impactful, it makes a huge difference, bet you was frothing watching behind the camera






How do you think the 799 would compare to the Phantasm 926 (high aspect, ~1300cm2) or the SB Superflyer (also ~1300cm2). I see the Sab is ~1100

I think one guy here rides a 926 and carves the small bay swell pretty well, but they are not big waves like in the video




PTM926 is far to big for sizeable wave faces, its great for small swell.

The PFI730 I feel works better when using a 4.5 in waist high waves but when its windy (4.0 sail and smaller) with head high waves its too much lift.



Thanks, sounds like I have a ways to go before I would need to upgrade anything for swell riding then, with the PFI730 being close to the Infinity 76. Any upgrading is probably going to be more related to jumping without snapping the fuse attachment bolts.


I stopped jumping the Hover Glide but more due to bending the mast as I tend to land a bit side ways. With the phantasm I tend to jump way more with winging and the carbon phantasm mast takes much more abuse even with wind foil jumping.





John340
QLD, 3363 posts
28 May 2022 8:50AM
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I'm really enjoying learning windfoil wave riding, albeit on small bay wind waves. For an old windsurf wave rider, windfoil wave riding is better than windfoil wave riding because you get to use the sail to help crank the turns.

My tracks from yesterday's session at Queens Beach at the northern end of Moreton Bay. The bay bends the small waves that stand up in the shallowing water.

Hess
312 posts
28 May 2022 7:34AM
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Awesome video and looks like so much fun. I am not sure but it looks to me like the wave and the wind are close to the same direction?
Simon and the rest of your gang sure inspire me to keep having fun on the swells.



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