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Slingshot hoverglide upgrade for windfoil and wingfoil ?

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Created by frenchy31 > 9 months ago, 14 Oct 2021
frenchy31
3 posts
14 Oct 2021 5:18PM
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Hello,
I began windfoiling 3 yrs ago in France with Slingshot Fwind 1 (1st version, the blue one).
I wonder about wingfoiling and saw some 2nd hand foil to sell with Infinity 76 and Timecode 57.

I have 3 wishes:
- increasing my foiling range (today, up to 20 kts, it's not comfortable if more)
- increasing my cruising speed (18 kts speed on lake, ponctually up to 20 kts but i'm surviving)
- discovering wingfoiling as I see many people completely stopping windfoil ...

Is it possible to use the infinity 76 as wingfoil too ?
Is it worth changing my old blue wing for the infinity 76 + timecode 57 ?

Slingshot parts are really rare here in France, no one can make me try others wings :(

Nikita
QLD, 222 posts
14 Oct 2021 8:21PM
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Your wishes are a bit conflicting in terms foil options.
On one hand you want to go faster, which requires small wings and long fuselages.
On the other hand you want to try wingfoiling which requires large wings (slow) and shorter fuselages. At least for learning.

I suppose you could get two sets of wings and fuselages, but then what's left - only the foil mast.

18kts is pretty fast on a foil, you'll need a much smaller foil with a long fuse to get noticeably faster (say 25kts). You can read other threads related to speed foiling for details and experiences of other sailors.

I had the i76 for a while - it's ok, but I wouldn't buy it specifically for your needs. Especially if they are rare where you are. Buy whatever is easy to get where you are: Moses, AFS, Naish Fanatic, etc. Latest models are all getting pretty good.

To foil is stronger winds I'd suggest a smaller sail. A 4.0 should get you to 25kts and 3.3 should be ok up to 30kts of wind.

thedoor
2469 posts
15 Oct 2021 1:09PM
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The 76 is a big upgrade over the blue gamma 68 (which was not bad for it's time) and I have a mate that loves the timecode in higher winds.

People wing on the 76 if it is blowing at least 12. to maximize your light wind winging you could add an infinity 99 if you could get your hands on one.

Picking up a used 76 and timecode seems like a great option. The 76 was one of the most versatile wings ever designed. Admittedly newer designs have improved on it, but you cannot go wrong with the infinity 76, unless you are a porker

boardsurfr
WA, 2454 posts
16 Oct 2021 9:53PM
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Go for it (if the price is right). You'll definitely gain low end with the i76, and probably high end and speed on the TC57. In stronger winds, I love the TimeCode 68. For me, it behaves better than the Infinities. The TC 57 seems to have a very similar shape, so it may be a good wing for those windy days.

frenchy31
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18 Oct 2021 5:07PM
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Nikita said..
Your wishes are a bit conflicting in terms foil options.


Unfortunately, I know that
However, 18 kts is not really fast in windfoiling, maybe it is with aluminium foil but in my spot, I'm one of the slowest (other ones about 19-20 kts most of the time, with full carbon foils).

Using a very small sail with big wing in high conditions ... Does it make sense ? For me it doesn't, probably question of feeling.

Someone in another forum (french one ) told me we had both wings. According to him, i76 is a big upgrade as said by TheDoor as the profil is thinner and more stable.

As the price is interesting, I'll get my chance (550?/860$ the whole package, wich is just the price of the i76).

Grantmac
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19 Oct 2021 1:40AM
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I didn't find the I76 a big upgrade and it's certainly not much faster if at all.
I believe slingshot is releasing higher aspect/faster wings for that foil now but you'll still be stuck with the noodly mast, a significant reason why it gets sketchy at speed.

If you want to go fast look at a freerace foil, but be prepared to also look at different sails to make it work. Very few of these are appropriate for winging (which will need a different board and mast anyway).

frenchy31
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19 Oct 2021 7:50PM
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My purpose is not to go "fast", but bit faster if possible. I read a review saying the wing is less front foot than the 1st blue ones, can someone confirm ?
That would be something great as the H1 is quite hard to manage at top speed or high gusts (22-25 kns).

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thedoor
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19 Oct 2021 10:32PM
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frenchy31 said..
My purpose is not to go "fast", but bit faster if possible. I read a review saying the wing is less front foot than the 1st blue ones, can someone confirm ?
That would be something great as the H1 is quite hard to manage at top speed or high gusts (22-25 kns).

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1012158939115345&id=693052631025979


When I rode the H1, I wasn't very good and it was quite a while ago, so its hard to compare front footedness. My guess would be similar, but I do recall some pretty rapid heavy breaches on the H1 that seemed to happen less on the 76. So maybe similar front footedness, but the 76 is a better behaved wing and it can handle a very wide range of wind. Maybe when its blowing 30knots and most people should be finning, the 76 becomes too much.

In my opinion, the secret to flying gybes and being able to extend the low end of your wing is a front foot set up.

I know exactly what you mean about wanting to go a bit faster in the intermediate stage. freeride foils that hit 18-20 knots of max board speed are the sweet spot I reckon:
* as fast as most bump and jump guys
* still allow for great maneuverability
* have enough low end to depower and ride swells
* allow you to sail across the wind in control, except in gusts
* easier to make flying gybes
* feels fast but still in control
* don't require massive sails



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