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Slingshot Phantasm G800 foil (video)

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Created by CoreAS > 9 months ago, 19 May 2023
CoreAS
923 posts
19 May 2023 12:45AM
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Wind foiling the Phantasm G800 foil, and we got a few wild west wind days just enough to test the G800 in some swell on the Banana River (intercoastal area, Florida).

I would like to try it next ocean side in shoulder high surf, however the traditional north winds did not give us a great season this winter.

Very happy how it performed as I wanted a foil that:
1. Carves hard
2. Not fighting a pitch battle on wave face
3. Glides off the wind.

The G800 checks all 3 boxes nicely!

John340
QLD, 3365 posts
19 May 2023 7:46AM
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Great wave riding

CoreAS
923 posts
19 May 2023 9:01AM
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John340 said..
Great wave riding


Thank you looking forward to getting out in the bigger swells and carving it as hard as possible.

ZeroVix
363 posts
19 May 2023 9:18AM
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Thanks for the update.

WsurfAustin
652 posts
19 May 2023 9:36AM
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Thanks for thr review and video. Got my eye on the G800 . Sounds like a good choice for slicing through all the multidirectional motor boat chop this summer

MilSurf
47 posts
19 May 2023 9:46AM
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Less wings, more sailing, let's go! Great sailing as usual and love the vids. Afternoon sea breeze, thunderstorm dodging season is just about here.

KDog
364 posts
19 May 2023 10:18AM
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Have had half dozen sessions with the G 800 with sails3.7 to 5.0 no ocean sailing yet turns well and feels nice going hard downwind.

boardhead
49 posts
19 May 2023 12:10PM
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Thanks for the review looks good in the waves.

CoreAS
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19 May 2023 9:37PM
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KDog said..
Have had half dozen sessions with the G 800 with sails3.7 to 5.0 no ocean sailing yet turns well and feels nice going hard downwind.


I agree, the G800 behaves very well.

It reminds me somewhat of the older HG Time Code 68 but that wing could roll on you sometimes, the G800 gives you the confidence to really push hard and the G800 glides much better.

@MilSurf, I will definitely mix it up some more, and will not wait so long in-between sessions, that way I will not be as sore the next day

@WsurfAustin, think you will really like this for those punchy wind days in your area, it will compliment your phantasm quiver very nicely.


jdfoils
434 posts
19 May 2023 10:21PM
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The g800 has become my daily driver. So comfortable but still begging me to push my limits.

Foulweatherjack
76 posts
20 May 2023 1:13AM
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Great video. I'm envious of your skills. How does the G800 compare to the Phantasm 926?

CoreAS
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20 May 2023 1:55AM
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jdfoils said..
The g800 has become my daily driver. So comfortable but still begging me to push my limits.


I felt the same actually, much untapped potential with this foil, and I definitely will try it with a narrower board see if it can be carved harder..

CoreAS
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20 May 2023 2:00AM
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Foulweatherjack said..
Great video. I'm envious of your skills. How does the G800 compare to the Phantasm 926?


Thank you

The PTM 926 is different in many ways, I have used the 926 for about 2 years (for wind and wing foil) and have hundreds and hundreds of hours on it. Because its wider it will not turn as quickly and over 18 mph you cannot really push the speed as much as you have loaded it up by then and becomes bit of a handful.

at 90kg I will use the wings like this:
Wind 10-16mph PTM 926
Wind 15-30mph G-800

Foulweatherjack
76 posts
20 May 2023 3:31AM
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That's an interesting observation about the 926. I just bought one three weeks ago but I've only managed to get out a handful of times in mostly marginal winds. But with the Wizard 130 V4 and a Severne 5.2 sail, I was able to get a few foiling runs and according to my retrospective WaterSpeed data from my Apple watch, I was maxing out at 18 mph in 9-10 knots of wind (maybe with a few higher gusts). At one point I hit 22 mph but that may have been an aberration.

I weigh about 72 kg. I need to improve my pumping skills to get foiling sooner.....

aeroegnr
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20 May 2023 3:40AM
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That's an interesting observation about the 926. I just bought one three weeks ago but I've only managed to get out a handful of times in mostly marginal winds. But with the Wizard 130 V4 and a Severne 5.2 sail, I was able to get a few foiling runs and according to my retrospective WaterSpeed data from my Apple watch, I was maxing out at 18 mph in 9-10 knots of wind (maybe with a few higher gusts). At one point I hit 22 mph but that may have been an aberration.

I weigh about 72 kg. I need to improve my pumping skills to get foiling sooner.....


Seems about right. Cruising speed seems to be 14-15kts/16-18mph or so. Think I've maxed out similar in both straps going deeper downwind somewhere in the 18kts or so range.

Foulweatherjack
76 posts
20 May 2023 3:48AM
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Over the last two years, since I started foiling, I've logged 46 sessions. I wish I'd started out with matched gear like I have now with the Slingshot Wizard and the Phantasm foils.

The Starboard FoilX 145, while a great board, just never felt balanced early on and it wasn't until I realized that I needed a jackplate to move the foilmast forward that I made any progress.

So the Phantasm 926 (I also have a 928 for super light winds, but it's a very draggy foil) feels much more locked in, reminiscent of the "locked in" feeling I used to have when planing a formula board in the straps.

What I need to do now is to work on my jibing skills. With the prevailing winds on the river where I live, I can typically only go a couple hundred meters before I have to tack.

azymuth
WA, 2156 posts
20 May 2023 3:46PM
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CoreAS said..
Wind foiling the Phantasm G800 foil, and we got a few wild west wind days just enough to test the G800 in some swell on the Banana River (intercoastal area, Florida).

I would like to try it next ocean side in shoulder high surf, however the traditional north winds did not give us a great season this winter.

Very happy how it performed as I wanted a foil that:
1. Carves hard
2. Not fighting a pitch battle on wave face
3. Glides off the wind.

The G800 checks all 3 boxes nicely!



Top vid Dean
Agree the G800 is a versatile wing, rides similar to the 926 I cut down.

Stoked you're still windfoiling

CoreAS
923 posts
21 May 2023 12:30AM
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azymuth said..

CoreAS said..
Wind foiling the Phantasm G800 foil, and we got a few wild west wind days just enough to test the G800 in some swell on the Banana River (intercoastal area, Florida).

I would like to try it next ocean side in shoulder high surf, however the traditional north winds did not give us a great season this winter.

Very happy how it performed as I wanted a foil that:
1. Carves hard
2. Not fighting a pitch battle on wave face
3. Glides off the wind.

The G800 checks all 3 boxes nicely!




Top vid Dean
Agree the G800 is a versatile wing, rides similar to the 926 I cut down.

Stoked you're still windfoiling


Have you tried the G700 yet JJ? that's a completely different beast.

I have tested it twice for winging and it feels more like a HA than MA, has very little stall speed and needs quite a bit of power to get going but is probably the most carving foil I have ever tried.

It would need to be 25 knots before I would wind foil it and I'm not sure the wizard 130 is the correct board (too wide), your 114 or FS board would more than likely get the best out of it.


jdfoils
434 posts
21 May 2023 8:02AM
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CoreAS said..

Foulweatherjack said..
Great video. I'm envious of your skills. How does the G800 compare to the Phantasm 926?



Thank you

The PTM 926 is different in many ways, I have used the 926 for about 2 years (for wind and wing foil) and have hundreds and hundreds of hours on it. Because its wider it will not turn as quickly and over 18 mph you cannot really push the speed as much as you have loaded it up by then and becomes bit of a handful.

at 90kg I will use the wings like this:
Wind 10-16mph PTM 926
Wind 15-30mph G-800


The 926 was my daily driver before I got the g800. I have hundreds of hours and 10s of thousands of jibes on that foil. If you are using the 872 fuse and 400 stabilizer the performance is greatly improved by shimming the stabilizer. Stock angle of attack for this setup is 3 degrees, reducing to 1.5-2.0 degrees definitely improves control in higher wind with no penalty in light conditions. It also allows you to move the mast are back and free it up on the roll axis for better carving at speed. Going to the 325 stabilizer is another option but gives less pitch stability. Both of these changes will require more skill from the user.

I have gone away form the ptm926, using the g800 if there are whitecaps and the ptm930 if it is light. Both them g800 and the ptm9256 have great handling over the full range of speeds. The ptm930 is significantly more efficient then the 926, but needs to keep the speed up as it handles like a pig at lower speeds.

azymuth
WA, 2156 posts
22 May 2023 8:55AM
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CoreAS said..Have you tried the G700 yet JJ? that's a completely different beast.
I have tested it twice for winging and it feels more like a HA than MA, has very little stall speed and needs quite a bit of power to get going but is probably the most carving foil I have ever tried.
It would need to be 25 knots before I would wind foil it and I'm not sure the wizard 130 is the correct board (too wide), your 114 or FS board would more than likely get the best out of it.


No, we haven't seen a G700 here - looks good tho

I've got this to fly downwind on now - just need 15 knots+
We're in our doldrums period for the next couple of weeks...




Rewind
NSW, 98 posts
22 May 2023 12:06PM
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azymuth said..

CoreAS said..Have you tried the G700 yet JJ? that's a completely different beast.
I have tested it twice for winging and it feels more like a HA than MA, has very little stall speed and needs quite a bit of power to get going but is probably the most carving foil I have ever tried.
It would need to be 25 knots before I would wind foil it and I'm not sure the wizard 130 is the correct board (too wide), your 114 or FS board would more than likely get the best out of it.



No, we haven't seen a G700 here - looks good tho

I've got this to fly downwind on now - just need 15 knots+
We're in our doldrums period for the next couple of weeks...





That rear stab is a smart idea . move it back or forward to adjust the angle rather than having to shim

jdfoils
434 posts
22 May 2023 9:11PM
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azymuth said..


CoreAS said..Have you tried the G700 yet JJ? that's a completely different beast.
I have tested it twice for winging and it feels more like a HA than MA, has very little stall speed and needs quite a bit of power to get going but is probably the most carving foil I have ever tried.
It would need to be 25 knots before I would wind foil it and I'm not sure the wizard 130 is the correct board (too wide), your 114 or FS board would more than likely get the best out of it.




No, we haven't seen a G700 here - looks good tho

I've got this to fly downwind on now - just need 15 knots+
We're in our doldrums period for the next couple of weeks...





That rear stab is a smart idea . move it back or forward to adjust the angle rather than having to shim


Had the saddle on my old starboard setup, total PITA. Shimming is easier to set up and much more repeatable.



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