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Here they go again.

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Created by Panno 8 months ago, 15 Apr 2025
Panno
48 posts
15 Apr 2025 8:07AM
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This might technically belong in the winging forum, but we've all seen this play out before, so why not take a moment to revel in it?

A good dose of Schadenfreude.

Had a chat with a mate who's a decent winger and (at best) an okay down winder. He's convinced para-winging is the future and is about to throw down a chunk of cash to be part of the movement. But let's pause for a second-are we witnessing the beginning of the end for winging?

Seen it happen time and time again in evolving sports. The gear shifts toward catering to advanced riders/niche conditions , while newcomers get left in the dust. Surfing, kiting, windsurfing-they've all walked this path at some stage.

One of winging's greatest strengths is how easy it is to get started. Most people with decent coordination can start making progress within a week. Para-winging, though? Forget about it. The learning curve is steep, more like learning surfing or windsurfing from scratch- not that this gets a lot of coverage.

Naturally, para-winging is all over social media, pulling in eager newcomers and making existing riders feel like they need to upgrade. But let's be honest-are newbies actually willing to drop money on a transitional wing they'll end up ditching? Or spend weeks in the pain locker trying to figure it all out? And frankly, most wingers still aren't maxing out the potential of the current gear.

Once again, suppliers are rolling out the latest flashy toy, funneling resources into high-end marketing while the masses foot the bill for "development" they'll never actually benefit from.

So go ahead, sit back, grab the popcorn, and enjoy the spectacle.

aeroegnr
1731 posts
15 Apr 2025 9:09AM
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I'll admit I laughed a bit when I saw it coming out because it seemed to come full circle. From kiting to windsurfing/winging and back to a kite again with smaller lines. Only a handful of locals are doing it because it looks like the minimum wind is higher than for anything else if you actually want to get foiling.

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
15 Apr 2025 10:41AM
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To me its all just another sport having its go, just like windsurfing and kiting did.

Each new niche of development going on inside each windsport isn't better, its just different. Much the same as each windsport isn't better than the other, just different. Each has pluses and minuses over the others but none are the be all to end all the others.


In some ways windsurfing is easier than the others to learn, but its harder to get proficient at. You could say the opposite of kiting and winging, but its pluses and minuses.

KDog
361 posts
15 Apr 2025 12:22PM
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I'll just sit back and enjoy the show remember the grass is always greener on the other side.

John340
QLD, 3362 posts
16 Apr 2025 6:56AM
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From my observation it's not a like for like swap. At my usual spot, the wing foilers who have changed to parawing have done so because they are into downwinding.

airsail
QLD, 1535 posts
16 Apr 2025 12:00PM
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Parawing is only for downwinding, those who think otherwise will be disappointed.

miamiwindsurfe
188 posts
16 Apr 2025 10:01AM
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John340 said..
From my observation it's not a like for like swap. At my usual spot, the wing foilers who have changed to parawing have done so because they are into downwinding.

Same in Miami

Mark _australia
WA, 23433 posts
17 Apr 2025 8:12PM
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Spot on Panno

but I can't say anything, got my head bitten off in the Kai Lenny at Jaws thread.

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
17 Apr 2025 9:54PM
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Mark _australia said..
Spot on Panno

but I can't say anything, got my head bitten off in the Kai Lenny at Jaws thread.


lol, just read the thread. wing foiling is so ground breaking ain't it?


In other news, the latest wing foil race wing comes in at 3,149 euro.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Ozone-Fusion-V2-UltraX?page=1#23

wingfoiling isn't going to disappear, it's here to stay. Admittedly I thought it held some appeal at the start with its cruisey foiling vibes. but, err, welcome to the beginning of those higher prices, and well, looks like it's just another splitting hairs wind sport.

Paducah
2784 posts
18 Apr 2025 11:25AM
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It's human nature. Somebody invents something fun and three weeks later, others figure out a way to make it a competition. Then someone else figures out a way to make every newb feel left out if they aren't using the latest, greatest and most expensive variant.

See: road biking, mountain biking, gravel biking, windsurfing, kiting.

Also see: my garage

Now I'm off to find that Kai thread for the s*ts and giggles. (Sorry, Mark.)

Edit: I'm back. Glad to know that Kai invented foiling in '18 the year after I started. The guys at Horue were inspiring us with all sorts of shenanigans.

2017

Rewind
NSW, 97 posts
19 Apr 2025 12:50PM
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Paducah said..
It's human nature. Somebody invents something fun and three weeks later, others figure out a way to make it a competition. Then someone else figures out a way to make every newb feel left out if they aren't using the latest, greatest and most expensive variant.

See: road biking, mountain biking, gravel biking, windsurfing, kiting.

Also see: my garage

Now I'm off to find that Kai thread for the s*ts and giggles. (Sorry, Mark.)

Edit: I'm back. Glad to know that Kai invented foiling in '18 the year after I started. The guys at Horue were inspiring us with all sorts of shenanigans.

2017


Love this, true innovators. Old mate was doing well with the foil so far back on the board.

A couple of years before Kai (2002) the GOAT - 29:40. This movie still stacks up today.
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Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
19 Apr 2025 4:20PM
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Paducah said..
Glad to know that Kai invented foiling in '18 the year after I started.


Sorry no, that thing under your board isn't actually a foil. If you're not winging/foil supping then technically you're not foiling. Now head over to the winging forum and write 2000 lines:" windfoiling is not foiling." Then 5000 more: "winging is the only true foiling sport".






SurferKris
473 posts
19 Apr 2025 5:55PM
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Which Kai Lenny thread are people referring to here?

Foil in windsurfing started in the 70-ties, I guess:

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
19 Apr 2025 6:41PM
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SurferKris said..
Which Kai Lenny thread are people referring to here?



www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Kai-Lenny-parawings-Jaws-?page=1#23

Subsonic
WA, 3354 posts
18 Jun 2025 4:57PM
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The fun continues:


www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Parawing-forum?page=1#11


wings are sooo yesterday.

ptsf1111
WA, 454 posts
18 Jun 2025 7:27PM
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Beware, they might sacrifice this forum for a parawing forum instead. I read in the other thread that wind foiling is dead now so guess this forum is redundant

Paducah
2784 posts
18 Jun 2025 11:02PM
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ptsf1111 said..
Beware, they might sacrifice this forum for a parawing forum instead. I read in the other thread that wind foiling is dead now so guess this forum is redundant


Windsurfing died in 2002 (kites) and windfoiling died in 2024 (wings). Or, so I've been told.

ptsf1111
WA, 454 posts
19 Jun 2025 6:33AM
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Hehe, yeah exactly. Yet, it still gives us so much joy! It's good that these "archives" are kept alive



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