Hello, I`m awaiting delivery next week of the new Slingshot wizard V4 130 l, with the Phantasm PFI 730/872 Lower Package V1 + 103cm Wide alu mast. Does anyone have any experience with where to place the foil in the mast tracks?
I`m a relative novice windfoiler in Bergen, Norway who just upgraded from JP Freefoil 130l, 2020 model and NP Glidewind foil, 2020 model with XL front wing.
My goal is to foil in 1 to 2 meter swells with a small sail and large front wing in winds from 11 knots to 30 knots - like azymuth here on the forum.
I have Goya Banzai sails in 3.4, 4.2, 5.3 and some older Goya sails in 6.3 and 7.4.
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Hello, I`m awaiting delivery next week of the new Slingshot wizard V4 130 l, with the Phantasm PFI 730/872 Lower Package V1 + 103cm Wide alu mast. Does anyone have any experience with where to place the foil in the mast tracks?
I`m a relative novice windfoiler in Bergen, Norway who just upgraded from JP Freefoil 130l, 2020 model and NP Glidewind foil, 2020 model with XL front wing.
My goal is to foil in 1 to 2 meter swells with a small sail and large front wing in winds from 11 knots to 30 knots - like azymuth here on the forum.
I have Goya Banzai sails in 3.4, 4.2, 5.3 and some older Goya sails in 6.3 and 7.4.
Probably depends in height,weight, and sail mast position. I cut a piece of pool noodle and slide the hex key into it so I can tune on the water without loosing the wrench. The board is pretty stable upside down. I run my Phantasm Mast almost all the way to the back of the tracks. Wizard 114, 140lb rider. I run the sail UJ towards the back +/- 2" depending on the sail.
Smart Idea with the pool noodle and the hex key.
I`m 85 kg/188lb and 187 cm/73 inches tall. What are the pro/cons moving the mast or the UJ?
What sail sizes do you use and where do you prefer to put the UJ on the different sail sizes?
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Smart Idea with the pool noodle and the hex key.
I`m 85 kg/188lb and 187 cm/73 inches tall. What are the pro/cons moving the mast or the UJ?
What sail sizes do you use and where do you prefer to put the UJ on the different sail sizes?
I should have said foil mast position relative to front footstraps. For example, I run footstraps in the farthest forward position. If I run the foil mast too far forward, I'll foil out too easily. Kept sliding it back till I found the sweet spot of good Power without foiling out. If your riding strapless, not so much an issue as you can move your center of gravity wherever it's need to have stable flight.
My sail UJ is run all the way back if I'm using a foil specific sail. If I'm using a wave sail, a couple inches forward. It's all about balance. Just takes experimenting.
another tip. if you are using a tendon or hourglass rubber universal base. I would suggest going to a mechanical base instead. (chinook makes a hybrid base as well). It makes it easier to loosen and move mast forward or aft easier on the water, as there will be virtually no load on the base. Also if you are attaching or removing the rig from board in shallow water it makes that easier too.
Select to expand quoteWsurfAustin said..norwegianblue said..
Hello, I`m awaiting delivery next week of the new Slingshot wizard V4 130 l, with the Phantasm PFI 730/872 Lower Package V1 + 103cm Wide alu mast. Does anyone have any experience with where to place the foil in the mast tracks?
I`m a relative novice windfoiler in Bergen, Norway who just upgraded from JP Freefoil 130l, 2020 model and NP Glidewind foil, 2020 model with XL front wing.
My goal is to foil in 1 to 2 meter swells with a small sail and large front wing in winds from 11 knots to 30 knots - like azymuth here on the forum.
I have Goya Banzai sails in 3.4, 4.2, 5.3 and some older Goya sails in 6.3 and 7.4.
Probably depends in height,weight, and sail mast position. I cut a piece of pool noodle and slide the hex key into it so I can tune on the water without loosing the wrench. The board is pretty stable upside down. I run my Phantasm Mast almost all the way to the back of the tracks. Wizard 114, 140lb rider. I run the sail UJ towards the back +/- 2" depending on the sail.
1+ for way too many variable
If I had to guess I would say a good starting point would be 40in between universal and foil mast and and front foot strap in the middle. But be prepared to come in 5 times that first session to adjust things.
Hello, I just had my fist go on the Slingshot Wizard V4 130 L with the Phantasm PFI 730/872 Lower Package V1 + 103cm Wide alu mast. I put the mast 3 cm (1.2 inches) into the tracks and the mast foot 3/4 back towards the back of the board.
Wind was about 7-10 m/s (13 - 20 knots) with a 5.3 Goya Banzai sail and it worked like a charm. Stable, controlled lift and little tendency to overfoil. Then I tried 4 cm (1.6 inches) into the tracks and suddenly the board was quite unstable and took a lot more front foot pressure.
How come it seems that 1 cm (0.4 inches) on the foil tracks makes such a huge difference,
or is it just my lack of skill and understanding?
Next time I`ll try 2 cm into the foil tracks....
The jack plate I use on my freeride board only has a 2.5cm resolution. Took me a while to get it dialed in on position, mainly wanting more forward foot pressure to keep it from diving in jibes.
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Hello, I just had my fist go on the Slingshot Wizard V4 130 L with the Phantasm PFI 730/872 Lower Package V1 + 103cm Wide alu mast. I put the mast 3 cm (1.2 inches) into the tracks and the mast foot 3/4 back towards the back of the board.
Wind was about 7-10 m/s (13 - 20 knots) with a 5.3 Goya Banzai sail and it worked like a charm. Stable, controlled lift and little tendency to overfoil. Then I tried 4 cm (1.6 inches) into the tracks and suddenly the board was quite unstable and took a lot more front foot pressure.
How come it seems that 1 cm (0.4 inches) on the foil tracks makes such a huge difference,
or is it just my lack of skill and understanding?
Next time I`ll try 2 cm into the foil tracks....
Yeah 1cm shouldn't cause that much difference in my opinion.
But foil positioning is a lot more impactful than fin positioning.
It sure makes a difference for me. I've been using a setup that's worked well on my 114 V3. Thought I would experiment now that I've gotten better. Moved the foil mast a couple centimeters forward and hated it. Got real tricky controlling pitch in gusty wind having to shift weight forward quickly.
Moving the sail UJ around was much more subtle.
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It sure makes a difference for me. I've been using a setup that's worked well on my 114 V3. Thought I would experiment now that I've gotten better. Moved the foil mast a couple centimeters forward and hated it. Got real tricky controlling pitch in gusty wind having to shift weight forward quickly.
Moving the sail UJ around was much more subtle.
Thank you, this rings true for me as well. I think I`ve heard somewhere from Wyatt Miller at Slingshot, that 1 cm on the foil equals 10 cm of UJ movement?
I`m practising gybing, can do about 120 degrees turns to the right, before I fall of the board while flying.
Want to make the foot switch after the turn is complete, but wonder if I fall off because the sail is to close to my body? Does this make sense and what is the next step to practice?
(Have watched ours of foiling videos from Jon Johnsen on Vimeo and the guys there make it look easy....)
Select to expand quotenorwegianblue said..WsurfAustin said..
It sure makes a difference for me. I've been using a setup that's worked well on my 114 V3. Thought I would experiment now that I've gotten better. Moved the foil mast a couple centimeters forward and hated it. Got real tricky controlling pitch in gusty wind having to shift weight forward quickly.
Moving the sail UJ around was much more subtle.
Thank you, this rings true for me as well. I think I`ve heard somewhere from Wyatt Miller at Slingshot, that 1 cm on the foil equals 10 cm of UJ movement?
I`m practising gybing, can do about 120 degrees turns to the right, before I fall of the board while flying.
Want to make the foot switch after the turn is complete, but wonder if I fall off because the sail is to close to my body? Does this make sense and what is the next step to practice?
(Have watched ours of foiling videos from Jon Johnsen on Vimeo and the guys there make it look easy....)
Ya, in my progression, I hyper analyzed tons of video, which helps, but in the end it's all TOW.
My first successful flying jibes were from gradual slow movements. Almost like a sailboat,
1. Get good speed
2. fly low towards the start of the jibe
3. gradual sail flip when headed perfectly down wind
4. foot switch
5 power up, and slowly turn back up wind.
There was a video from Greg Glazier and Emily Ridgeway talking about jibing that rings true to me.
Stay in the wind (never jibe in a lull).
Constant even rail pressure through the turn.
Release the back hand early.
I don't have anything to add on position, other than 1cm movement is massive for the sail mast, so imagine it is too for the foil mast.
Couple of my videos if you haven't seen them
Speed one is long (15m) and has some tips that apply from 10 knots to 30!
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It sure makes a difference for me. I've been using a setup that's worked well on my 114 V3. Thought I would experiment now that I've gotten better. Moved the foil mast a couple centimeters forward and hated it. Got real tricky controlling pitch in gusty wind having to shift weight forward quickly.
Moving the sail UJ around was much more subtle.
Where did you find the sweet spot for the back of the foil mast in the tracks with your set up? Do you also use the slingshot PFI730? just curious as have been testing a bit between the 1-3 marks in the track
It`s still a work in progress. Sails up to 5.3 - 4 cm from the back seems to work for now.
With the 6.4 sail I`m seems that the foil should be a bit further forward and the mast foot a bit further back, but i`m still trying to figure it out.
I`m using the PFI 730 with 103 alu mast and Slingshot V4 130 L.
What is your setup and experience?
Select to expand quotenorwaysail said..WsurfAustin said..
It sure makes a difference for me. I've been using a setup that's worked well on my 114 V3. Thought I would experiment now that I've gotten better. Moved the foil mast a couple centimeters forward and hated it. Got real tricky controlling pitch in gusty wind having to shift weight forward quickly.
Moving the sail UJ around was much more subtle.
Where did you find the sweet spot for the back of the foil mast in the tracks with your set up? Do you also use the slingshot PFI730? just curious as have been testing a bit between the 1-3 marks in the track
I have the PFI 730. I don't know how similar the foil mast base is between the carbon and aluminum mast, but I run the carbon mast base where the base is about 1/2" forward of back of the board edge. So very far back in the tracks. If I run the UJ all the way back for larger cambered sails and about 2" farther forward for smaller wave sails. The larger (5.6 for me) cambered sails (sailworks flyer), seem to put more downward force on the UJ when a gust hits. So that effect is reduced by moving the UJ back. I'm 5'8" and running the UJ towards the back makes flying hooked into the harness well balanced.
